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I got the MSD Boost Retard Box and the Equus 3100 Code Reader today. My Viper Tech will put in the MSD box this Friday so I can A-Vipering I'm A-Going again.

It's a low boost- 5 pound - supercharger, so everything is not overly stressed.

A 5 pound low boost of 436 rear wheel horsepower becomes 558 rear wheel horsepower, or 657 flywheel horsepower. These numbers are from using Sean Roe's statement that everyone seems to be getting a 28% increase in rear wheel dyno horsepower.
 

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Kenny, Tell us, how many miles have you driven since you installed the supercharger, has the milage decrased, what is it like at the red line, is the power still pulling all the way up and what is the highest mile per hour you have had it, before and after the supercharger.
 
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VIPR GTS -

I've probably only put on 25 miles since installation of the Sean Roe Supercharger due to predetonation issues and almost all of those miles were driving from my Viper Tech's to my house.

Sean sent me the MSD Boost Retard Box earlier this week and my Viper Tech is on vacation, so it's not installed. I also got an Equus 3100 Code Reader and found out my engine check code is P0208 - injector #8 not resonding properly with the computer. Sean says this is fairly common and cleaning the contact on injector #8 will probably fix the problem.

So my Viper has been pretty much a Garage Queen long before the weather would have forced it.

In the little time I've had in driving it since the installation of the supercharger, I've noticed it drives a whole lot easier, even in heavy traffic - and this is with the 70 mm throttle bodies. I have not run it hard because of the predetonation, but I have run it at 1/3-1/2 part throttle in 1st & 2nd gears - no predetonation - and it felt like almost full throttle did before. Predetonation occurs when there is a load on the engine and occurs progrssively easier in each of the upper gears. Apparently 1st & 2nd gear present no load at all to my Viper now.

I disconnected the 3 wiring plug in modules to the PCM and reconnected them after 45 minutes and got rid of 70% of the predetonation, but I didn't drive it much because the predetonation was still there and the engine check light came on about injector #8. I can wait a few more days to drive it, and then it will be to my Viper Tech's house to clean injector #8 & install the MSD box before A-Vipering I'm A-Going again.

Hopefully, the MSD box will get rid of the predetonation without robbing too much power from retarding the spark advance, if not, Sean is working on a much better engine management system with the manufacturer of the superchager in Sweeden in a few weeks.

The Roe Supercharger will be a truly great product once the engine management issues have been solved.

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Kenny, congrats on the install man! The install of the MSD box WILL fix the issue you are having and dont even think of it as robbing power, because it will not. It will add power. You can hook the box up yourself quite easily if you want. I did mine in about 25 minutes after locating the right wires in the manual. I can fax you a diagram if you need. Anyhow, set the dial to '2' to start with, go drive, and just keep turning it down (towards 1 - a little at a time)until you notice detonation. Once you do, just go up a hair and you are done. BOOOOOST ON! I am sure you agree, there is nothing like a power adder that does NOT need a refill!
 

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just out of curiousity how can you say the box adds power when its sole job is to retard timing under extreme cylinder pressures(i.e detonation)other than the fact if you dont have detonation you can safely accelerate without internal damage worries,but to say it actually increases power is false,and also not a gaurantee that you will get rid of all detonation even at its greatest adjustmant which is equiv. to 10 degrees timing retard,i have three supercharged Vipers here 2 heavily modified,one no detonation at all no MSD box,another even more modified,some detonation,3rd bone stock other than S.C and tubes, still some heavy load detonation W/MSD box adj. to max,so we dont want to give anyone a false sense of security when it comes to detonation,please listen carefully for it and remember just because you have that box does not mean you cant have detonation,the only gauranteed cure is a fuel management system,and do not expect to be gaining power by turning that retard knob to the right ,YOU WONT!
 

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Detonation robs power. Proper timing to match the setup will add power because it will not be detonating. Adding fuel will also help, but adding too much fuel creates detonation also. My post was about the situation that Kenny described, and based on what others and myself have experienced, the box should do the trick. The MSD box is capable of providing proper timing in low boost SC applications. It will pull up to 10 degrees of timing out of the stock map and the way I described to tune for it will work. Turning the knob does nothing more than control the MSD retard map. No matter what, the box will only remove a total of 10 degrees. A setting of 3 will just pull out 3 degrees of timing with the first pound of boost. Set to 1 it will pull out 1:1 and so forth. With the Roe SC I have heard that 1.5 is about where the sweet spot is, so start at 2 and slowly back it down. In higher boost situations (i.e. over 10PSI) additional retard is usually needed and as in my situation, the MSD is the greatest since my splitsec mapping does the 'formal' retard and the MSD dial gives me the extra bit of tunability needed in the real world where things change (weather, fuel quality, engine temps, etc) Just my .02 based on experience.
 

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Detonation robs power. Proper timing to match the setup will add power because it will not be detonating. Adding fuel will also help, but adding too much fuel creates detonation also. My post was about the situation that Kenny described, and based on what others and myself have experienced, the box should do the trick. The MSD box is capable of providing proper timing in low boost SC applications. It will pull up to 10 degrees of timing out of the stock map and the way I described to tune for it will work. Turning the knob does nothing more than control the MSD retard map. No matter what, the box will only remove a total of 10 degrees. A setting of 3 will just pull out 3 degrees of timing with the first pound of boost. Set to 1 it will pull out 1:1 and so forth. With the Roe SC I have heard that 1.5 is about where the sweet spot is, so start at 2 and slowly back it down. In higher boost situations (i.e. over 10PSI) additional retard is usually needed and as in my situation, the MSD is the greatest since my splitsec mapping does the 'formal' retard and the MSD dial gives me the extra bit of tunability needed in the real world where things change (weather, fuel quality, engine temps, etc) Just my .02 based on experience.
 
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I'm going to have my Viper Tech do the installation at his home. I'm 6'5" tall and 310 pounds and can't easily fit under the dash to connect the wires and my Viper Tech fits perfect in them small hard to get places. My Viper Tech has a heated garage and I don't. It's warmed up to 21 degrees today.

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Several Viper owners with the Roe Supercharger have contacted me and still have detonation issues even with the MSD box. They are viewing the MSD box as a sort of a band aid until Sean gets the real fix - the engine management system - worked out in Sweeden in a few weeks. If I can get rid of enough detonation so I can drive at part throttle until the real solution is available, I will be happy.
 
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I found out that people are contacting me about their problems with detonation with the Roe Supercharger and not contacting Sean Roe.

Please contact Sean if you have detonation problems or any other problem with the Roe Supercharger. We lucky people of the first group of Roe Superchargers are getting a big discount to help Sean work out any problems - but you need to contact him about any problems about this great supercharger system so he can improve installation instructions or get a better handle under what conditions any less than perfect performance occurs so he can find a permanent cure. This is a breakthrough system and is very close to perfect, but to have it be perfect you must contact Sean with any comments or ideas for improvements or discovered problems that you might have.
 
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