Picture of a side sill cooling vent

onerareviper

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Viperholics,

Does anyone have a picture of the side sill cooling vents? I think Jon B. sells them, and they install in front of the side sills to help the heat escape. This helps prevent the 'yellowing' of paint. Also, how hard are they to install?

Thanks for your help in advance....
 

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I made my own using some outdoor speaker grill (attached from the inside) and 2 rivets. I drilled 2 1.5" holes in the same plane as the sill line, one hole above the other. It's much less noticable than the louvers, and works better in situations of positive pressure. I verified the pressure with some machine oil and string. The only time the pressure was negative was when the wheel was turned to the outside (drivers side tire during a right turn, or passengers tire during a left turn).
 

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Joe, is it possible for you to post a pic of your design?

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Car at the body shop now having the side sills repainted and HF cats installed...Trying to beat the yellowing paing problem...
 

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I can take a picture when I get home if someone will post it for me. I don't have an operational site at the moment.

Tomer, I can also send it to you via e-mail.
 

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That's exactly why I didn't add a 3rd hole. Used a 1 piece section of outdoor speaker grille, and 2 rivets per side.
 

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<FONT face="Comic Sans MS">As elegant as these designs are, don't all of them just load up the sills with wet road dirt?

Perhaps there's a way to scoop air from under the car, away from the tires, like the Porsche air deflectors do and ram it into the inner sides of the sills where the flex pipe enters.

That said, the real heat issue isn't when the car is moving, but idling or hot soaking after shutdown, where all of these ideas are inoperative.

Anyone have any other solutions? (besides the obvious high flow, lower heat cats)</FONT f>
 

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Ron,
I can't say that wet road dirt won't be a problem, but I did think this through. I collected stone particles, which had taken residence in my sills, when I removed them to put the vents in. I put the stones on the speaker grille, and it held 90% of them. I'm confident that the particles I may get won't be any worse then what I'm already getting. However, for insurance, I chose 1.5" holes because home depot has 1.5" rubber plugs that when shaved in thickness, fit the hole quite nicely. I'm sure 1.5" body grommets work as well.

I thought of the water too, and I can say with certainty that if you were to pour water directly into the vents, the water runs out the sill under the car. It seems the sills are sloped downward with some channels in them that the water naturally follows. I don't think water will be a problem.

I was hesitant to claim a substantial temperature difference without having good data to prove it. The weather here in Michigan has been a tad short of ideal, but when it warms up, I will put a few thermocouples on the sill surface and take temps after some controlled runs, with and without the plugs.

The theory of hot soaking is a common thought, but not really the worst case. The temps of the exhaust system are hottest when running high RPM's. At idle, the exhaust cools down. I can idle my car forever (about the only thing I can do in my garage in winter), and with the garage at 70 degrees (heater working O.T.) the sills never get that hot.

I do agree that airflow is the key to keeping the sills cool.

My observations. Stay tuned for actual data to prove or disprove.
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<FONT face="Comic Sans MS">Some good points Joe. I look forward to you "in use" observations.

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<FONT face="Comic Sans MS">After a nice Saturday night run, I've preliminarily observed the following:

While driving at reasonable speeds and immediately after shutdown, the side sills are quite cool to the touch.

After shutdown plus 5 minutes, the sills become too hot to hold your hand on.

While I'll do a thermocouple / time plot soon, I'm thinking that with stock cats, supplemental airflow is only needed after shutdown (similar to Sean Roe's cooling fan timer) and that the natural airflow occurring while under forward motion is sufficient without any added venting.

Comments?</FONT f>
 
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