Police Officer Faces Charges for Viper Crash

[viper GTS-R]

Here are the model jury instructions (and statute) that will most likely be given....

http://www.judiciary.state.nj.us/criminal/charges/homicide9a.pdf


Make your mind up for yourself as a jury member with the information that you have.

The car was rented in Allentown, NJ, near where I grew up in the central part of the state (rural). The distance between the pickup point of the car and where the accident happened is about 30 miles. Some country driving, but mostly divided highway (2 lane) with red lights every 1/10 mile. North Brunswick is fairly urban with lots of highways converging in that area.

Agreed, but it still makes me wonder what exactly happened cause there's just something that doesn't seem right to me. I know and you probably do as well, I can see this happening at that underpass left sweeper that comes out onto Route 130 from Route 1 and the pole is slightly past the entrance to the No. Brunswick Square Mall. I understand they were coming North on 130 to Route 1 but what I don't get is that side is FLAT road. It wasn't like it was cold either for the tires to slip randomly cause it was August when it happened. I remember cause I got alot of phone calls about it while I was on vacation in Florida.

It's just sad for the other officers family. I hope the dude gets booked for Reckless Driving. Most of us would have been pissed if they were driving the car while on duty to begin with, for that dude to be driving reckless any cop would be greatly pissed at a civilian and the civilian would either be cuffed or have the bank account sucked bone dry with a massive amount of tickets. This has been by far one of the worst exotic rental accidents I've seen compared to the few rental Ferrari and Porkers I've seen that have body damage from driving into massive potholes.

--RS

 

[BOTTLEFED]

i think cops should be given much slack, their jobs are mostly thankless, they deal with the **** of the ......you know, bad people all day

I disagree completely
they should not be given anymore slack than anyone else in our society
the laws are made to include everyone - equally

and saying that they should have special privileges is BS
there are a lot of people with jobs that are thankless and that deal with **** - should they get some slack as well?

 

[J&R3xV10]

I want to get payed time off work. If I F-up at work can I get payed suspension?

 

[eliems]

Like the Good Lord said, "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone".

Is there anyone here who has not gone 90 mph in their Viper? At that speed, stuff happens.

This man has paid big time for his mistake! Like someone mentioned we should pray for him and the families!

 

[Warfang]

Like the Good Lord said, "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone".

Is there anyone here who has not gone 90 mph in their Viper? At that speed, stuff happens.

This man has paid big time for his mistake! Like someone mentioned we should pray for him and the families!

Not all of us have the privilege of protecting the public's trust. To violate that with this stupid and reckless act is grounds for maximum punishment. To put in easier terms... a police officer SHOULD KNOW BETTER. If anything, he knew the risk, so **** it up.

Plain and simple. If I recklessly drove over 90 and killed or seriously injured someone, I'd be doing some time. Ask Nick Hogan.

 

[1BADGTS]

left off a couple of o's wf, badge goes a looooooooo....ng way

a buddy of mine rides crotch rockets with several officers and he said last week he just pulled over and let them go on without him b/c they were riding so fast (120+ in traffic) and he doesn't have a badge

i think cops should be given much slack, their jobs are mostly thankless, they deal with the **** of the ......you know, bad people all day, but when they blow it like this, then yes, make examples of them

if you hear cops talk about cops, you know the they have good ones and bad ones just like the rest of society

I do realize it was an accident(everyone has them ) and the partys involved surely never intended this to happen but in NJ it goes alot deeper than this one particular instance basically they(law enforcement) drive ANY way they want (on or off duty )without fear of punishment.Drive the Garden State Parkway for instance the Troopers patroling it routinely drive at 100 plus MPH without their emerg lights on to meet their buddy in the median to discuss how hot the last group of girls were who they HAPPENED to stop going to the beach(THATS JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBURG)

 

[eucharistos]

....i think cops should be given much slack, their jobs are mostly thankless, they deal with the **** of the ......you know, bad people all day, but when they blow it like this, then yes, make examples of them

if you hear cops talk about cops, you know the they have good ones and bad ones just like the rest of society

I disagree completely
they should not be given anymore slack than anyone else in our society
the laws are made to include everyone - equally

and saying that they should have special privileges is BS
there are a lot of people with jobs that are thankless and that deal with **** - should they get some slack as well?

I do realize it was an accident(everyone has them ) and the partys involved surely never intended this to happen but in NJ it goes alot deeper than this one particular instance basically they(law enforcement) drive ANY way they want (on or off duty )without fear of punishment.Drive the Garden State Parkway for instance the Troopers patroling it routinely drive at 100 plus MPH without their emerg lights on to meet their buddy in the median to discuss how hot the last group of girls were who they HAPPENED to stop going to the beach(THATS JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBURG)

hey!, isn't this a viper forum

we are endowed with special powers mere humans will never enjoy,

if you would have just used your e.s.p. here you would have known what i really meant, despite what i type

(i admit my original post sounds way more liberal than i am)

i was thinking more of an example like 1BADGTS brought up, and i take him and others at their word that they happen

on the other side, often calls are responded to silent and no lights and i used to always think bad cops abusing the traffic laws, then 3 buds became cops and they explained procedures, visible police presence, etc. so now when i see these things i cut them some slack 1st

i brought up the bad people b/c the smell alone from the back of their patrol cars makes me glad someone else is doing the job and i can give a lights and siren off speeding cop the benefit of the doubt

but if they are in fact abusing their power

but when they blow it like this, then yes, make examples of them

 

[dave6666]

What exactly is pursuit training anyway? Couple hours of classroom and some orange cones in the parking lot?

Clue me in as to what makes an officer qualified to handle a Viper after pursuit training.

 

[SkyBob]

What exactly is pursuit training anyway?

It's that hazy, tenuous comment that you're supposed to accept at face value. C'mon now, you're not playing along.

Of course, cops are, by definition, better drivers than us general public. The people on here who spend many weekends a year tracking their Vipers can't possibly be learning anything useful, because, you know, they aren't cops.

 

[VIPER GTSR 91]

I hope he gets the max prison penalty just like you or I would get. Cops are not above the law.

 

[Peter Nielsen]

I remember this story, but never heard why he was in a rented Viper when on duty. Wouldn't it make more sense to rent it on your day off? Or am I missing some important details here?

If I recall correctly, it was the birthday of one of the two officers. That's why they rented it on that very day although they were both on duty...

 

[mjf6175]

As someone who spent 34 years in law enforcement as a police officer and a federal agent (besides being a member of the NY Bar)and now live in NJ with some insight to this matter I will make just a couple of comments:

The current indictment was an ADDITIONAL charge. So contrary to the postings of some of the misinformed it did not take a year for him to be charged. He already had been charged with the criminal negligent homicide. The new indictment was adding the charge of his actions occurring while on duty.

He did NOT rent the Viper, it was rented by someone else who allowed him to use the vehicle.

Yes it is wrong on so many levels, I am not defending his actions. But some of the other general comments being posted here about those in my profession are uncalled for and very inaccurate. I never knew there where so many experts regarding police practices here on this site. What next? Debate medical surgical procedures? Your insight would have just as much credibility.

 

[dave6666]

But some of the other general comments being posted here about those in my profession are uncalled for and very inaccurate. I never knew there where so many experts regarding police practices here on this site. What next? Debate medical surgical procedures? Your insight would have just as much credibility.

Please point out some of these inaccuracies for us. These comments that carry enough direction to be viewed as statements of near fact by what in your opinion are self made experts in police practices.

 

[Cop Magnet]

"He was breaking the very law he was paid to enforce and endangering the public he was paid to protect,"

I think this says it all.

 

[Kevan]

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That is a lot more than 94 mph.

 

[bluesrt]

ya what dunb ash figured that one,more like 140,bunch of clowns all the way around,boy the driving class that clown took didnt sink in,big dummy for that age and status of rank,and the car was super young miles.

 

[Tabs1]

I'm sorry but if I doubled the speed limit the ticket would be for reckless driving, I would be cuffed and car would be towed.

Then the pain of prosecution would begin. Without friggen pay....

If you have ever run into that towns cops, too many are pricks, but some are genuine nice guys, just not enough.

 

[Warfang]

As someone who spent 34 years in law enforcement as a police officer and a federal agent (besides being a member of the NY Bar)and now live in NJ with some insight to this matter I will make just a couple of comments:

The current indictment was an ADDITIONAL charge. So contrary to the postings of some of the misinformed it did not take a year for him to be charged. He already had been charged with the criminal negligent homicide. The new indictment was adding the charge of his actions occurring while on duty.

He did NOT rent the Viper, it was rented by someone else who allowed him to use the vehicle.

Yes it is wrong on so many levels, I am not defending his actions. But some of the other general comments being posted here about those in my profession are uncalled for and very inaccurate. I never knew there where so many experts regarding police practices here on this site. What next? Debate medical surgical procedures? Your insight would have just as much credibility.

Thanks for your service and insight to the case in question. However I do find it hard to believe that in 34 years in LE, you have NEVER seen a fellow officer do something questionable and turn a blind eye or seen others who have. Or is it the usual "no harm no foul... as long as no one got hurt... brotherhood hooey and all that?"

Obviously, as a federal agent and member of the Bar, you have surpassed the usual rank and file patrol guy. Federal agents and officers of the court tend to be a lot more disciplined about the law. The guy with the GED and POST certificate on his wall is not going to appreciate the gravity of his actions as much as you would. That said, where do you stand on such issues as professional courtesy and cronyism in the police department? Or are you insisting that never happens either?

 

[Tabs1]

Here in Jersey, Troopers dont pay attention to traffic laws on or off duty. More than a few friends are troopers from anywhere from 14 years to still wet behind the ears. Their attitude is " whats the local cop gonna do, issue me a ticket, yeah right."

I think the last time cops behaved like law abiding citizens when driving was when Opie was walking down the street in Mayberry.

What we need is more IA officers to patrol the streets in unmarked cars for them.

Power corrupts people, thats why you need checks. Just look at our government now. No checks anymore, just czars.

 

[1BADGTS]

Here in Jersey, Troopers dont pay attention to traffic laws on or off duty. More than a few friends are troopers from anywhere from 14 years to still wet behind the ears. Their attitude is " whats the local cop gonna do, issue me a ticket, yeah right."

I think the last time cops behaved like law abiding citizens when driving was when Opie was walking down the street in Mayberry.

What we need is more IA officers to patrol the streets in unmarked cars for them.

Power corrupts people, thats why you need checks. Just look at our government now. No checks anymore, just czars.

Your 100% correct as if you wrote one Trooper you might as well write them all..I got to tell you i have probably been in the car 20 or more times when my cousin got stopped by a local and as soon as the Trooper Badge comes out the local apologizes for stopping him..

 

[JonB]

Like the Good Lord said, "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone". Is there anyone here who has not gone 90 mph in their Viper? At that speed, stuff happens. This man has paid big time for his mistake! Like someone mentioned we should pray for him and the families!

100% agree...

 

[JonB]

What exactly is pursuit training anyway? Couple hours of classroom and some orange cones in the parking lot? Clue me in as to what makes an officer qualified to handle a Viper after pursuit training.

While every jurisdiction is different, and most State Patrols have purpose-built or leased facilities that local LEOs can use, the training here in OR / WA is fairly extensive. It takes place mostly at PIR.

They take a 1/2 day skid-car course on outrigger wheels to learn weight-transfer and car control. They do high speed HPDE-type driving, threshold braking, and evasive lane-change maneuvers. On top of that they train the PIT maneuver to spin-out a fleeing suspect.

The crown-vics they use are dogs, and can seldom get to 100 on track...whereas the Viper hits 150. But the skills they use are a valid base that most drevers dont have..... I let one of the cop bosses from Salem drive my GTS and he was completely blown away...he got out and told his class "we're doomed...they cant outrun a radio or spike strips, but they can sure outrun us!" {in fact he was driving at about 70%}

A few years back, a local deputy stopped me for no front plate in my Ram.....and discovered I had been one of their class instructors at PIR-Portland! We ended up with a nice visit....

 

[1BADGTS]

Good bad or indifferent thats just the way it is here in NJ .We have close to 9 million people living in a state that you can drive thru in only a few hours (within miles one can go from the projects in Asbury Park to 15 million plus dollar estates in Deal)With all of these people together in such a confined area the police really bond together .

 

[mjf6175]

Warfang....where in my post do you find me saying anything along the lines of "... that in 34 years in LE, you have NEVER seen a fellow officer do something questionable and turn a blind eye or seen others who have. Or is it the usual "no harm no foul... as long as no one got hurt... brotherhood hooey and all that?".

Let me first give you a prospective. I grew up in The Bronx (notice it is two words and "T" is capitalized) in an Italian construction family. My uncle owned a bar there and sold "swag" in the back room. I think I managed to learn some street smarts. It served me well in the ensuing 34yrs on the streets.

As a federal agent I did much undercover work (remember the Italian part, construction family, swag, street savy and all that). Several times the assignment lasted in the years. One of them was in Ohio. Myself and four other Agents working undercover ran a very swank, upscale ******* bar in a downtown city. We had celebrities show up, the Cleveland Indians, ******* Magazine and more. It was a popular place. Many got to believe we were part of some "family" from NY. Exactly what we wanted. But something happened on the way to the forum. The undercover case took a surprise and unexpected turn. We got offered "protection" from a law enforcement officer for drug deals we were doing. Over the course of almost a year (out of the 3 year operation) I was escorted during six drug transactions by off duty police officers. Some of those deals involved 24keys. Can we say "tense time"? In one of the deals there were 12 off duty officers providing protection for the drug deal. In the end 44 police officers from 5 departments were arrested. NOT ONE WENT TO TRIAL. They all plead guilty. Bittersweet victory for me being a former police officer. But I did my job as I swore to do it. Why do I bring all this up? To answer another "hot" question here. This "Professional Courtesy" ranting. Look, I was a cop in NY. Usually very busy with MANY calls with not much time for traffic tickets. But during an 8hr tour of duty an officer on duty in a half way busy department will observe about a good 20-30 traffic violations. Of them he might decide to stop 6-8 of those vehicles. Out of the 6-8 about 1-2 would receive a summons. What would you call all those who did not receive a summons? Professional Courtesy? The number of summons issued to the number of violations is small. Many are given warnings or not even stopped. Would I give the benefit of the doubt to another officer (in a traffic situation we are talking about)? Yes. If I can give it to others I can equally give it to him. I don't know what profession you are in, but I bet if you deal with someone who is, that you give him/her special attention. When a dentist needs his teeth worked on and goes to another dentist how do you think he is treated? You are a teacher with a child in your class of another teacher, do you help that kid a little more maybe? Not saying if its right or wrong, it just the way most of us behave.

My post above was meant to address all the "experts". Lets take a couple of examples. There was a critical comment that it took a year for him to be charged-WRONG. He had already been charged with criminally negligent homicide. The new charge had to do with the fact that he was on duty when the incident occurred. Next someone complained that he wasn't arrested. You do not need to be arrested to be indicted. He had been indicted and arraigned previously, shortly after the accident. Then there are comments regarding the speed that was determined. With a fatality involved (called an "AI" job)a very detailed investigation would have been performed. Many measurements, photographs, statements from witnesses. This would result in determining the speed of the vehicle. Think maybe the "black box" got fished out of that Viper too? Yet you have some on here ranting how the police have no clue how fast the Viper was going because of ? What? They know from picture posted in this thread that it just had to be more? Again "experts" in law enforcement. Then there was someone complaining above that if it was him he would have been charged with recklees driving. And? The cop here was charged with negligent homicide, I guess they want reckelees driving added? or?

And just who did the invetigation of this New Brunswick officer? That right, other cops. They too did their job as they swore to and conducted a proper investigation which lead to the charges this man faces.

My point is I have always been amazed how people become experts about my profession. Do you do that with your doctor? plumber? teacher?

Finally, I know of NO profession where every member is perfect. If you do know one please let me, and the others, know.

 

[Warfang]

Warfang....where in my post do you find me saying anything along the lines of "... that in 34 years in LE, you have NEVER seen a fellow officer do something questionable and turn a blind eye or seen others who have. Or is it the usual "no harm no foul... as long as no one got hurt... brotherhood hooey and all that?".

Let me first give you a prospective. I grew up in The Bronx (notice it is two words and "T" is capitalized) in an Italian construction family. My uncle owned a bar there and sold "swag" in the back room. I think I managed to learn some street smarts. It served me well in the ensuing 34yrs on the streets.

As a federal agent I did much undercover work (remember the Italian part, construction family, swag, street savy and all that). Several times the assignment lasted in the years. One of them was in Ohio. Myself and four other Agents working undercover ran a very swank, upscale ******* bar in a downtown city. We had celebrities show up, the Cleveland Indians, ******* Magazine and more. It was a popular place. Many got to believe we were part of some "family" from NY. Exactly what we wanted. But something happened on the way to the forum. The undercover case took a surprise and unexpected turn. We got offered "protection" from a law enforcement officer for drug deals we were doing. Over the course of almost a year (out of the 3 year operation) I was escorted during six drug transactions by off duty police officers. Some of those deals involved 24keys. Can we say "tense time"? In one of the deals there were 12 off duty officers providing protection for the drug deal. In the end 44 police officers from 5 departments were arrested. NOT ONE WENT TO TRIAL. They all plead guilty. Bittersweet victory for me being a former police officer. But I did my job as I swore to do it. Why do I bring all this up? To answer another "hot" question here. This "Professional Courtesy" ranting. Look, I was a cop in NY. Usually very busy with MANY calls with not much time for traffic tickets. But during an 8hr tour of duty an officer on duty in a half way busy department will observe about a good 20-30 traffic violations. Of them he might decide to stop 6-8 of those vehicles. Out of the 6-8 about 1-2 would receive a summons. What would you call all those who did not receive a summons? Professional Courtesy? The number of summons issued to the number of violations is small. Many are given warnings or not even stopped. Would I give the benefit of the doubt to another officer (in a traffic situation we are talking about)? Yes. If I can give it to others I can equally give it to him. I don't know what profession you are in, but I bet if you deal with someone who is, that you give him/her special attention. When a dentist needs his teeth worked on and goes to another dentist how do you think he is treated? You are a teacher with a child in your class of another teacher, do you help that kid a little more maybe? Not saying if its right or wrong, it just the way most of us behave.

My post addressed to all the "experts". Lets take a couple of examples. There was a critical comment that it took a year for him to be charged-WRONG. He had already been charged with criminally negligent homicide. The new charge had to do with the fact that he was on duty when the incident occurred. Next someone complained that he wasn't arrested. You do not need to be arrested to be indicted. He had been indicted and arraigned previously, shortly after the accident. Then there are comments regarding the speed that was determined. With a fatality involved (called an "AI" job)a very detailed investigation would have been performed. Many measurements, photographs, statements from witnesses. This would result in determining the speed of the vehicle. Think maybe the "black box" got fished out of that Viper too? Yet you have some on here ranting how the police have no clue how fast the Viper was going because of ? What? They know from picture posted in this thread that it just had to be more? Again "experts" in law enforcement. Then there was someone complaining above that if it was him he would have been charged with recklees driving. And? The cop here was charged with negligent homicide, I guess they want reckelees driving added? or?

My point is I have always been amazed how people become experts about my profession. Do you do that with your doctor? plumber? teacher?

Thanks for clarifying and the background... very interesting. Reads like a movie script. I defer to you on this specific case. I don't pretend to know what or when how often this ham sandwich was charged/indicted. I just know the guy needs to be fired (NOT paid) and spend some time in jail. I think most here would agree with that.

As to people being experts about your profession... you don't need to be a plumber to know a leak is flooding your house, correct? Civilians are consumers of law enforcement... that makes them an expert as a consumer, and they don't like what they're being forced to buy. If your gripe is that the folks here don't understand the protocols of the judicial system... I couldn't agree more. The law is so convoluted that if you don't have money for a good lawyer, you're pretty screwed. Put the blame on all the TV shows that skim over the laws to fit in the hour, and people expecting justice to be administered within that time... maybe two if there's a cliffhanger.

Knowing more about you, I'm more interested in your answer about professional courtesy. I don't disagree with what you said about it. However, there has to be a line somewhere. I don't pretend to know where that line is, but would like to know where you might think it is. No wrong answer... just interested in your opinion.

 

[mjf6175]

Have just a little time to add more and respond to your questions. Glad you brought up a point I forgot to mention. "Experts" here were also ranting about this officer being suspended with pay. Of course to them this was done because he was a cop and receiving special treatment? I on the other hand would think it is due to at least 2 factors:
1) He has not been convicted yet, nor has a departmental trial held. While I do not know that for sure, I can almost guarantee it has not. Criminal trial first, then departmental is the protocol. Since neither has occurred and he has not been adjudicated as being guilty of charges (departmental or criminal) the ability to suspend him without pay is probably not available due to reason #2

2) do you think maybe there are some labor contracts in place that dictate or spell out when an officer is suspended from duty what his pay status is?

I guess the "experts" here would have us think that the New Brunswick town council got together and gave the secret signal to keep the officer on salary because he is a police officer. Yeah right.

 

[sniper1]

Warfang....where in my post do you find me saying anything along the lines of "... that in 34 years in LE, you have NEVER seen a fellow officer do something questionable and turn a blind eye or seen others who have. Or is it the usual "no harm no foul... as long as no one got hurt... brotherhood hooey and all that?".

Let me first give you a prospective. I grew up in The Bronx (notice it is two words and "T" is capitalized) in an Italian construction family. My uncle owned a bar there and sold "swag" in the back room. I think I managed to learn some street smarts. It served me well in the ensuing 34yrs on the streets.

As a federal agent I did much undercover work (remember the Italian part, construction family, swag, street savy and all that). Several times the assignment lasted in the years. One of them was in Ohio. Myself and four other Agents working undercover ran a very swank, upscale ******* bar in a downtown city. We had celebrities show up, the Cleveland Indians, ******* Magazine and more. It was a popular place. Many got to believe we were part of some "family" from NY. Exactly what we wanted. But something happened on the way to the forum. The undercover case took a surprise and unexpected turn. We got offered "protection" from a law enforcement officer for drug deals we were doing. Over the course of almost a year (out of the 3 year operation) I was escorted during six drug transactions by off duty police officers. Some of those deals involved 24keys. Can we say "tense time"? In one of the deals there were 12 off duty officers providing protection for the drug deal. In the end 44 police officers from 5 departments were arrested. NOT ONE WENT TO TRIAL. They all plead guilty. Bittersweet victory for me being a former police officer. But I did my job as I swore to do it. Why do I bring all this up? To answer another "hot" question here. This "Professional Courtesy" ranting. Look, I was a cop in NY. Usually very busy with MANY calls with not much time for traffic tickets. But during an 8hr tour of duty an officer on duty in a half way busy department will observe about a good 20-30 traffic violations. Of them he might decide to stop 6-8 of those vehicles. Out of the 6-8 about 1-2 would receive a summons. What would you call all those who did not receive a summons? Professional Courtesy? The number of summons issued to the number of violations is small. Many are given warnings or not even stopped. Would I give the benefit of the doubt to another officer (in a traffic situation we are talking about)? Yes. If I can give it to others I can equally give it to him. I don't know what profession you are in, but I bet if you deal with someone who is, that you give him/her special attention. When a dentist needs his teeth worked on and goes to another dentist how do you think he is treated? You are a teacher with a child in your class of another teacher, do you help that kid a little more maybe? Not saying if its right or wrong, it just the way most of us behave.

My post above was meant to address all the "experts". Lets take a couple of examples. There was a critical comment that it took a year for him to be charged-WRONG. He had already been charged with criminally negligent homicide. The new charge had to do with the fact that he was on duty when the incident occurred. Next someone complained that he wasn't arrested. You do not need to be arrested to be indicted. He had been indicted and arraigned previously, shortly after the accident. Then there are comments regarding the speed that was determined. With a fatality involved (called an "AI" job)a very detailed investigation would have been performed. Many measurements, photographs, statements from witnesses. This would result in determining the speed of the vehicle. Think maybe the "black box" got fished out of that Viper too? Yet you have some on here ranting how the police have no clue how fast the Viper was going because of ? What? They know from picture posted in this thread that it just had to be more? Again "experts" in law enforcement. Then there was someone complaining above that if it was him he would have been charged with recklees driving. And? The cop here was charged with negligent homicide, I guess they want reckelees driving added? or?

And just who did the invetigation of this New Brunswick officer? That right, other cops. They too did their job as they swore to and conducted a proper investigation which lead to the charges this man faces.

My point is I have always been amazed how people become experts about my profession. Do you do that with your doctor? plumber? teacher?

Finally, I know of NO profession where every member is perfect. If you do know one please let me, and the others, know.

mjf6175, I agree with you completely, however your attempt to explain your position and provide detailed background information about yourself here seems to only provide some of the cop hating misserable souls who have no clue how each INDIVIDUAL cop lives their life both on and off duty with more cop hating ammunition. The common cop hating looser who always wished to be a cop but couldn't pass the physical, written test or background will only continue to question the integrity and ethics of ALL cops regardless of *** they know about them. The bare their tiny fangs at the first oppertunity to bash all cops the second they see one INDIVIDUAL cop make a tragic decision that cost dearly. There is NO EXCUSE for this INDIVIDUAL COP's actions and I know he will continue to pay the price for his stupidity for the rest of his life. If there is anyone on this forum/thread would like to speak to me personally about my INTEGRITY AND ETHICS, please feel free to contact me away from this thread and stop bashing ALL cops former and present for the poor actions of others.

 

[ViperTony]

Did this lawsuit threat from the rental place ever materialize?
Sports car owner to sue over crash that killed North Brunswick cop - NJ.com

 

[Warfang]

Have just a little time to add more and respond to your questions. Glad you brought up a point I forgot to mention. "Experts" here were also ranting about this officer being suspended with pay. Of course to them this was done because he was a cop and receiving special treatment? I on the other hand would think it is due to at least 2 factors:
1) He has not been convicted yet, nor has a departmental trial held. While I do not know that for sure, I can almost guarantee it has not. Criminal trial first, then departmental is the protocol. Since neither has occurred and he has not been adjudicated as being guilty of charges (departmental or criminal) the ability to suspend him without pay is probably not available due to reason #2

2) do you think maybe there are some labor contracts in place that dictate or spell out when an officer is suspended from duty what his pay status is?

I guess the "experts" here would have us think that the New Brunswick town council got together and gave the secret signal to keep the officer on salary because he is a police officer. Yeah right.

I don't think anyone here thinks the city council is in collusion. If anything, many city council members can be a huge thorn in their police dept's side. Your town's milage may vary.

Your two points are valid. My opinion of them:
1) There should be a decency clause in the employment contract that is not dependent on an actual criminal conviction to terminate. Nothing this guy can say can pass the laugh test. That should be grounds for termination without pay. At the very least, if convicted, he should return all of the money.

2) This was my take on the POA's from a few posts back... they're run like any corrupt union where the guys on top play a political game to further their own power and earning potential. They are more concerned about their power base than doing what's right. I've seen them turn their back on cops trying to do the right thing to garner favors from the city.

 

[Kevan]

Finally, I know of NO profession where every member is perfect. If you do know one please let me, and the others, know.

Politics.


(Sorry...just trying to lighten the mood a little...and save it from getting too personal in here)