pyrometer usage....

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I just bought a pyrometer for those track days, I understand you measure the tire temps outside, middle, inside and the closer the temps the better. Now if the outside is hotter do I add or subtract air pressure? What other ways can I use it? Thanks in advance.
 

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SoCal Rebell:
I will let the real guru's answer your question because it is not that easy....to get accurate data you must come to the "hot pits" after the tires are good and hot and check. Do not wait until you get back to your car area or you will have lost all your "good" data. I still have all my sheets were we tested heat and pressure during Viper Days last year it is amazing how well the car will handle once everything comes together.....Do not forget about the pressure while you are checking the temps, you are going to need some help in the pits so you get this done correctly so you can get back out and keep adjusting while your run group it still out there! Take your friends or train the wife/girlfriend!
 

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Sam's right. While many racers say one is striving to obtain even temperatures across the tire, Caroll Smith says baloney. His view (which is the only correct one, just ask him !) is that on bias tires you should expect to have about 10-15 degrees difference between the inner portion and the outer portion of the tread surface, with the inner portion being the hotter of the two - - with radials, relatively the same or more. I forget his reasoning, but I think it was that on most tracks you are gonna spend more time on the straights than the turns so the inner portion is gonna get hottter.

Watch for chunking or very heavy beading/blobbing in one zone of your tire. You are over working that portion. If it's in the middle, then your tires are over-inflated. If it is at both edges, then they are under inflated. If it occurs on only the inside or the ourside, it's an alignment issue - - could be camber or toe (maybe caster, though I'm not sure about that). If one portion is not beading at all, then it is not working for you and you have an alignment/inflation issue causing it. You are looking for even, fairly fine mini-rippling/beading across the contact surface of the tire. If that's what you've got, then you're good to go !

As far as the pyrometer, what kind do you have ? The laser type are OK, but do not truly give you the temps down into the rubber - - which is really what you care about. The pyrometers with the little pin-like insertion device are preferred and they should be inserted at an angle, not straight in, to allegedly give you an average of the temperature down through the rubber. To get true readings, pull int the hot pits, have a friend rush around as fast as reasonably possible and take the temps, then keep note of inner, center and outer temps (and the track temp and tire type if possible). Then save the data for future set-up, inflation and track condition reference.

You now have all this arm-chair racer knows on the subject !
 

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If you are using an infrared gun, be careful, the beams spread differently on various models. The basic diff on the high end models is that their beam holds a tighter pattern. My point is, they measure the average temp within the circular pattern. If you get an extraneous object in the pattern you will not get the true temp of the item you are measuring.
 

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Pressures are not the only adjustment. Check the archives. GTS Dean, Mr. Woodhouse and Frank Parise have had long explanations covering this in detail. Well worth the search for it.
 
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Thanks for the replies, don't have the laser type I have the stick in pin type. I did a search using "pyrometer" before I posted and only got 5 replies which were not very helpful.
 

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Gee only pyrometer, your not wanting the info to bad then. Here are some other suggestions to search on. Tire, alignment, camber,temperature, tire wear, and so on use your imagination. If all else fails search for those 3 guys names mentioned above old posts.
 
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