question for Sean Roe

[STUGOTS]

what benifits will the water/**** kit give on a N/A car with my mods (in sig)

Thanks

 

[J DAWG]

I made a post similar to this a few weeks ago. I was interested if it would benefit n/a cars and those with nitrous or if it was just for boost.

Some said Sean has indicated it "could" help since it "could" allow one to add more timing via the vec2.


honestly though I would just get a power added first. Cant see how it would benefit you the way your car sits.

 

[plumcrazy]

sean swore to me it would my car on nitous but im not sure its gonna help N/A

 

[Schulmann]

You will need a VEC2 to take really some advantage of this setup. On a regular Viper in normal conditions it would not help much, unless the intake temperature is very high and you have poor fuel quality. In Neveda and in Florida on a hot July day, the effect will be likely very visible. I think the water/**** will allow the Viper to keep its HP compared to other Vipers which will loose HP on those hot days. The car will run also safer preventing detonation. But Sean is the best qualified to answer this question. These are just guesses that I am making.

 

[STUGOTS]

I just spoke with Dave @ Roe racing and it WILL be a benefit if you have the Vec 2, it can drop intake temps as much as 30 degrees, so needless to say thats my next mod next week.

BTW Sean said that they gained 2.9 Mph in the 1/4 mile by just hooking up the W/M not bad

 

[J DAWG]

I would like to see some real world results on a n/a car. Nothing against Dave, but he is the person trying to sell the product so I wouldnt expect him to say anything different if it means selling an item. I dont know his technical experience, but everytime I had a ? he was just a go between to Sean.

I just dont see how one can measure 2.9 mph, my car deviates that much from run to run sometimes. Just no way to accurately display this. To many variables at the track. Launch, wheel spin, shift points, etc...


So if you go with it let us know what happens on the dyno and how much additional timing you are able to add.

 

[STUGOTS]

I would like to see some real world results on a n/a car. Nothing against Dave, but he is the person trying to sell the product so I wouldnt expect him to say anything different if it means selling an item. I dont know his technical experience, but everytime I had a ? he was just a go between to Sean.

I just dont see how one can measure 2.9 mph, my car deviates that much from run to run sometimes. Just no way to accurately display this. To many variables at the track. Launch, wheel spin, shift points, etc...


So if you go with it let us know what happens on the dyno and how much additional timing you are able to add.

Sean himself is the one that said 2.9 Mph not Dave.

Dave is not like that at all as a matter of fact no one at Roe racing is that way, I have called and wanted to buy things and Dave talked me out of it do I know for a FACT they are straight shooters.

I have spoken to Dave many MANY times and hes always takin the time to explain everything to be in detial and trust me he knows what hes doing.

I will let you guys know as soon as I get it installed and dyno'd.

 

[gthomas]

I was interested if it would benefit n/a cars and those with nitrous or if it was just for boost.

Some said Sean has indicated it "could" help since it "could" allow one to add more timing via the vec2.


honestly though I would just get a power added first. Cant see how it would benefit you the way your car sits.

From my experience, it's with boost.
With a naturally aspirated engine, I don't see how it will benefit.
It is like ram air, yes it will benefit the car some, but to take full advantage of it you have to be going over 100mph or so.
But I cannot see the benefit of water/**** on a naturally aspirated car, even at speed. The air is not going to be anywhere near as hot as a forced induction unit.
But when someone speaks in the 'could' help and 'could' allow more..., it makes me stop.
If a driver gets in the car and makes a bunch of passes, you will be able to see a deviation, 2.9mph definitely falls within it.
Good luck, keep us up to date please.

 

[J DAWG]

I would like to see some real world results on a n/a car. Nothing against Dave, but he is the person trying to sell the product so I wouldnt expect him to say anything different if it means selling an item. I dont know his technical experience, but everytime I had a ? he was just a go between to Sean.

I just dont see how one can measure 2.9 mph, my car deviates that much from run to run sometimes. Just no way to accurately display this. To many variables at the track. Launch, wheel spin, shift points, etc...


So if you go with it let us know what happens on the dyno and how much additional timing you are able to add.

Sean himself is the one that said 2.9 Mph not Dave.

Dave is not like that at all as a matter of fact no one at Roe racing is that way, I have called and wanted to buy things and Dave talked me out of it do I know for a FACT they are straight shooters.

I have spoken to Dave many MANY times and hes always takin the time to explain everything to be in detial and trust me he knows what hes doing.

I will let you guys know as soon as I get it installed and dyno'd.

It is not my intent to get in a discussion over anyones credibility or knowledge. Your experiences have benn different than mine obviously, but when I call and have a ? Dave has to refer me to Sean and I am glad he knows he needs to and doesnt try to fabricate some knid of response because that would not help anyone.

Maybe my ?'s are more technical in nature and not merely limited to product info, but I have taken Dave to be the saleman and not as knowledgeable with troubleshooting as Sean. I would expect someone who sells things on a daily basis to be knowledgeable about that product in how it works, its appropriate application and also being able to troubleshoot problems and Dave has not struck me in that way. However, Sean has always been more than happy to spend as much time as need be to try and troubleshoot problems any day of the week.


I would like to see some real results because on the basis of how it works it doesnt seem like it would benifit a n/a car. I think the Vipair decreases intake temps up to 50 degrees as well.

 

[STUGOTS]

I would like to see some real world results on a n/a car. Nothing against Dave, but he is the person trying to sell the product so I wouldnt expect him to say anything different if it means selling an item. I dont know his technical experience, but everytime I had a ? he was just a go between to Sean.

I just dont see how one can measure 2.9 mph, my car deviates that much from run to run sometimes. Just no way to accurately display this. To many variables at the track. Launch, wheel spin, shift points, etc...


So if you go with it let us know what happens on the dyno and how much additional timing you are able to add.

Sean himself is the one that said 2.9 Mph not Dave.

Dave is not like that at all as a matter of fact no one at Roe racing is that way, I have called and wanted to buy things and Dave talked me out of it do I know for a FACT they are straight shooters.

I have spoken to Dave many MANY times and hes always takin the time to explain everything to be in detial and trust me he knows what hes doing.

I will let you guys know as soon as I get it installed and dyno'd.

It is not my intent to get in a discussion over anyones credibility or knowledge. Your experiences have benn different than mine obviously, but when I call and have a ? Dave has to refer me to Sean and I am glad he knows he needs to and doesnt try to fabricate some knid of response because that would not help anyone.

Maybe my ?'s are more technical in nature and not merely limited to product info, but I have taken Dave to be the saleman and not as knowledgeable with troubleshooting as Sean. I would expect someone who sells things on a daily basis to be knowledgeable about that product in how it works, its appropriate application and also being able to troubleshoot problems and Dave has not struck me in that way. However, Sean has always been more than happy to spend as much time as need be to try and troubleshoot problems any day of the week.


I would like to see some real results because on the basis of how it works it doesnt seem like it would benifit a n/a car. I think the Vipair decreases intake temps up to 50 degrees as well.

I just bought the W/M kit (about 10 mins ago) so I will let you know as soonas its in and dyno'd.

I have no spoke with Sean (other then in this board) in quite some time I have delt with Dave and he has not steered me wrong yet and every performance part on my car has come from him, hey maybe thats why mu #'s are slightly higher then most peoples with the same mods maybe Dave's on to something lol

 

[J DAWG]

Hope the kit works amd look forward to seeing the results especially since my car is n/a and I would certainly jump on something that cheap if it can increase mph by nearly 3 in the 1/4.

What exactly did Dave say it would allow you to do? I assume add more timing?


John

 

[STUGOTS]

Hope the kit works amd look forward to seeing the results especially since my car is n/a and I would certainly jump on something that cheap if it can increase mph by nearly 3 in the 1/4.

What exactly did Dave say it would allow you to do? I assume add more timing?


John

he said the best bet is to take it to the dyno get it tuned.

J/W what exactly do you have done to your snake to get in the 10's N/A?

 

[J DAWG]

heads/cam and very little spray on these cast pistons.

Like I said earlier I made a post trying to get some input on whether it would help na cars especially nitrous. I would like to find something that would make it "safer" to spray it a little more and run a 9 before doing a piston swap.


so when you get to the dyno what are you supposed to tune? timing? I wonder what Sean did to the na car that gained nearly 3 mph. Wonder what was done to the car.

Let me know if you find out.