Remove the "pickle" from a set of bellanger headers ???

[plumcrazy]

Remove the \"pickle\" from a set of bellanger headers ???

i got a great deal on a set of used bellanger headers from 2manytoys. his car i think is or was the fastest s/c car. when i got the headers they still have the pickle in them. should i just remove the darn thing and forget about it or leave it in since his car ran pretty darn good with them ?

im hearing and reading RWHP gains up to about 25-30rwhp. thats a decent amount of hp.

any thoughts or info ???

 

[Viper23]

Re: Remove the \"pickle\" from a set of bellanger headers ???

Hey Phil:

My car has Belanger headers too and it does not have the pickle in it. I have heard no pickles better for S/C cars and pickles better for N/A cars, but I am not sure.

I don't know how hard it is to remove the pickels...I sure it is not that bad.

Be

 

[ViperJohn]

Re: Remove the \"pickle\" from a set of bellanger headers ???

There was a long discussion about this subject a few years back. If you do a search for the thread, there was actual dyno data and if I remember correctly someone from Balenger chimed in on the post.

From what I remember...the pickle stays.

 

[plumcrazy]

Re: Remove the \"pickle\" from a set of bellanger headers ???

thanx Be.

i tried a search and didnt find anything on it. i went back 3 years

 

[plumcrazy]

Re: Remove the \"pickle\" from a set of bellanger headers ???

here is what i found JonB posting on this..

Have you ever looked at a Jet Engine, with that BIG CONE in the middle?
OBVIOUS to anyone that that Cone (pickle) MUST be restrictive, right?
Why would anyone wanting max airflow (especially at 35,000 feet) stick a big, restrictive CONE in there?

WRONG !! That cone ensures faster airflow within and along the cylindrical tube (can) and results in greater CFM airflow. It does NOT adversely "interfere" with forced air induction, as proven by that jet engine.
It provides a POSITIVE interference, in fact.

Consider: sticking a ROUND tube over a squared-off D-port creates TURBULENCE and cyclonic backflow and whine. Choose D-PORT HEADERS esp with forced air.

FLASH: Belanger has told PartsRack that he will be HAPPY to delete the labor-intensive pickle, at NO COST, for any PartsRack customer who feels they do NOT want it. No Problem to delete it.

PS: -Stainless operates hotter, and retains heat longer.
-Aluminized Steel runs COOLER, and cools down faster. (ask a pit crew!)
-Belanger further includes Jet Hot coating inside & out, no extra cost.
(Not an OPTION on other brands) Coolness = kinder on components and feet.
- Alumanized vibrates a much lower frequency than Stainless. Deeper Tone.
- MUSCLE CARS sould like that because of ALUMANIZED STEEL, no stainless.
- D-port matched 1.75"primary blends to a round primary, NO TURBULENCE.
That and more...

 

[ViperJohn]

Re: Remove the \"pickle\" from a set of bellanger headers ???

thanx Be.

i tried a search and didnt find anything on it. i went back 3 years

Maybe somebody will have it under their favorite threads. It was a pretty long thread. I can barely ever find anything when searching either.

 

[plumcrazy]

Re: Remove the \"pickle\" from a set of bellanger headers ???

if its true on the N/a cars getting more flow with it, i gotta assume that its going to be more flow WITH the pickle as well on the S/C cars.

isnt air flow, just air flow ???

 

[Steve 00RT/10]

Re: Remove the \"pickle\" from a set of bellanger headers ???

Keep your pickle(s) in muh man. They may also contribute to the unique Belanger rumble!

Steve

 

[Joseph Dell]

Re: Remove the \"pickle\" from a set of bellanger headers ???

I doubt you'll hurt it if you keep them.

Or, you could dyno with the pickle, remove 'em, re-dyno, and then post the result. I vote for that!


JD

 

[plumcrazy]

Re: Remove the \"pickle\" from a set of bellanger headers ???

JD, but then i already made the mistake and cant go back...i want someone else to be the guinnea pig..lol

 

[Steve 00RT/10]

Re: Remove the \"pickle\" from a set of bellanger headers ???

Or, you could dyno with the pickle, remove 'em, re-dyno, and then post the result. I vote for that!

Yes......but can one easily re-pickle after de-pickling should one want the pickles back in? Therein may be the rub.

Steve

 

[V10SpeedLuvr]

Re: Remove the \"pickle\" from a set of bellanger headers ???

I looked for that thread and didnt see it (went back 5 years) but from the old posts I did read, it seems most people agree with what Be said. On NA/mildly modified cars, leave the pickle in for increased back pressure. For higher modified cars, take it out. I didnt see any comments from anyone associated with Bellanger though

 

[N2 Vipers]

Re: Remove the \"pickle\" from a set of bellanger headers ???

If it made more power without the pickle, why would they put it in there in the first place, I'm sure it would be easier for them to leave it out? Don't you think they have researched and tested this before they incorporated it into their headers????? Maybe one day they just saw a pickle laying around and said " why don't we put that in our headers ?"

 

[plumcrazy]

Re: Remove the \"pickle\" from a set of bellanger headers ???

kinda what im thinking but im open to other ideas on this.

 

[pedro]

Re: Remove the \"pickle\" from a set of bellanger headers ???

Hey Phil,
I removed the pickles and its was not worth the aggravation

 

[plumcrazy]

Re: Remove the \"pickle\" from a set of bellanger headers ???

did you dyno to see a difference or just seat of the pants ??

I was up by you this weekend for the winter jamboree thing on the lake.

 

[GTSnake]

Re: Remove the \"pickle\" from a set of bellanger headers ???

If the pickle was that instrumental in faster flow. Wouldn't someone else have came to the same conclusion and added it into their headers? Edelbrock, B&B, ****** etc. I'm sure some of these guys have done their own flow testing. How many other header manufacturers have pickles in there?

My guess is that it smooths out flow up to a certain point but beyond that it becomes a restriction.

 

[pedro]

Re: Remove the \"pickle\" from a set of bellanger headers ???

Will be Dyno at RoMar Racing at the end of March.

 

[Mr Hemi Head]

Re: Remove the \"pickle\" from a set of bellanger headers ???

thanx Be.

i tried a search and didnt find anything on it. i went back 3 years

Maybe somebody will have it under their favorite threads. It was a pretty long thread. I can barely ever find anything when searching either.

I recall that a Viper Tech posted a dyno chart comparing back to back pulls running Bellangers with pickles and brand without. There was a substantial gain in HP and the thought was it may be due to the pickle.

It appears that with the VCA site update the search is limited to less than a year so I cannot locate it.

 

[99 R/T 10]

Re: Remove the \"pickle\" from a set of bellanger headers ???

The "study" was done by TXWYD on Balengers and then switching to H M S headers. Here's the link, but take out the [****] and put in Viper alley.com.

The engine was a N/A, but not you run of the mill N/A. If anyone knows Old Norm, you know his engine flows a butt load of air.

http://www.[*****]/forum/viper-discussio...ghlight=headers

 

[JonB]

Re: Remove the \"pickle\" from a set of bellanger headers ???

If the pickle was that instrumental in faster flow. Wouldn't someone else have came to the same conclusion and added it into their headers? Edelbrock, B&B, ****** etc. ......

INSTRUMENTAL, but too expensive.

"Power To The Pickle"

 

[VIPER BAZ UK]

Re: Remove the \"pickle\" from a set of bellanger headers ???

Is there not a contact at bellanger who would be able to help????
Just a thought....
I wouldn't want to cut it out without knowing first..As Plum said once out its to late.....

 

[plumcrazy]

Re: Remove the \"pickle\" from a set of bellanger headers ???

i cant find the website...anyone have a number for them ?

I'll call in the am and see what they say

 

[Mr Hemi Head]

Re: Remove the \"pickle\" from a set of bellanger headers ???

Lou Belanger 623-582-5900

 

[GTSnake]

Re: Remove the \"pickle\" from a set of bellanger headers ???

i cant find the website...anyone have a number for them ?

I'll call in the am and see what they say

Plum, maybe you should call Edelbrock and ****** too.

 

[plumcrazy]

Re: Remove the \"pickle\" from a set of bellanger headers ???

Mr Hemi Head, thanx.

GTSnake, but i have belangers.

 

[FE 065]

Re: Remove the \"pickle\" from a set of bellanger headers ???

Unfortunately the often referred to study compares Belanger's Tri Y design to a 5 into 1 header.

So it's apples & oranges, with no direct results regarding the pickle specifically....

 

[GTSnake]

Re: Remove the \"pickle\" from a set of bellanger headers ???

GTSnake, but i have belangers.

I meant if you wanted to ask Belanger why they have the pickle maybe you should ask the other guys why they don't. Just to get their .02.

 

[Mr Hemi Head]

Re: Remove the \"pickle\" from a set of bellanger headers ???

GTSnake, but i have belangers.

I meant if you wanted to ask Belanger why they have the pickle maybe you should ask the other guys why they don't. Just to get their .02.

Is the Belanger collector longer than the competition?

Wonder if the pickle improves flow velocity due to the length of the collector.

Lets hear what Lou Belanger has to say.

 

[ViperTony]

Re: Remove the \"pickle\" from a set of bellanger headers ???

Phil, call Lou Belanger and ask him about the pickle...I spent 1.5hrs on the phone with him last week. You'll learn everything you need to know from him.

- Tony