Sport Compact Car Magazine Ultimate Street Car Challenge Base Price

[Paolo Castellano]

All I can say here is that the Viper is at a disadvantage because the Skyline
is listed as the price was in JAPAN for that year. They did not take into account the conversion price to make it road worthy for US EPA/DOT as they considered this to be a modification like a supercharger or a built motor.

The other thing that really gave me a problem was the Ultima GTR kit car......

We all know that the Ultimas are $89,000.00 for the rolling chassis plus motor and transmission (I think they use some Porsche gearbox).

==> The owner of the GTR, convinced the magazine he bought all the parts for 25K and fabricated the rest himself. This could or could not be the case; it is not for me to say and is out of my control.

The one thing I had a hard time believing was that he got this 6-liter(Bored and stroked version of the 5-liter BMW V-12) BMW V-12 motor from a junk yard for $500.00


This is all fine and dandy as far as I am concerned. It is what it is.

For the second day, all the tests where the Viper would hand just about any street car on the planet their ass; were the skidpad, road course, 1/4 mile, 0-60, 60-0, and Gross display of HP......

I was in 3rd place overall and seemed to be in really good placement to have a real shot to win the whole thing since I was so close after many events that did not favor the Viper.

In the breakfeast room, the Skyline guy, Nick Wong, was politicing to get a few more points in the car show because he believed he should not have lost to the Viper by as much.

I guess they found an addition error that netted him 7 more points in the car show. He was very happy to say the least.==> I was amused Nick was so worried about the Viper since the Skyline is such a godly car in the import circles!

Back to the Ultima.....

At the beginning of the day, I had 43 points in the Base price portion of the competition as the second most expensive car(the Viper was listed as $66,000.00) with the Ultima listed as $91,000.00. The Ultima had only 10 points being the most expensive.

Well once they changed the price of the Ultima to $30,000.00, I now became the most expensive car and dropped to 10 points for the base price portion.

More importantly for the Ultima guy, he now had some 80 points out of 100 for having one of the less expensive cars in the competition.

So what this meant for me was 33 less overall points for the competition while at the same time, the Ultima gained 70 points on me and was able to get the 4th.

I believe he beat me by less that 100 points in the overall standings.

 

[nitro]

So I take it the Viper lost due to unfavorable BS that usually happens to the Viper in test. (I.E. Motor Trend Shootout).

 

[striker79]

either that guy owns the junk yard where the bmw was at or he is lieing like mad i priced one thru a dealership and if i remeber correct it was like 10 grand.Im assuming it's the new n73 that is in the 760 and not the mcclaren motor.

 

[CHAD]

That is total BS. They should publish beforehand the values of the cars. No way values should be changed DURING the competition, especially by such huge amounts.

So to win, you need a $250,000 kick-*** car, a professional driver for each different segment of the competition and a politician to talk the judges into believing that you paid $500 for the car?

That just makes me appreciate even more what you accomplished. Great job and with the knowledge you gained this year, my money is on you next year (as long as your politician can talk the judges into letting you back in).

Chad

 

[SapphireGTS]

Sounds like a CRAP competition. You should have punched WONG in the nose for Lying about his car and being a baby about the points.

You should have said that the Viper was a kit and you fabricated all the parts.

 

[Paolo Castellano]

Hey guys, I used to be a world class skater and have seen it all.

Skating and some parts of this test are subjective.

That is the nature of this beast. I would still do this competition again in a heartbeat! The magazine staff people were fantastic and very supportive to say the least.

When I skated and did not get the result in the competition I wanted, If would fall into the blaming rut, my coach would [******] slap me and tell me I had only to look at myself to see what I could do better to ensure victory the next time out.

I am not complaining here, just stating the facts as they happened. I know what I need to do to win next time if I get in, that's all.

 

[SapphireGTS]

Figure skating?
Ill wait until you answer.

 

[Paolo Castellano]

Sounds like a CRAP competition. You should have punched WONG in the nose for Lying about his car and being a baby about the points.

You should have said that the Viper was a kit and you fabricated all the parts.

Keith, if we see Nick at the thursday night hangout, I will point him out to you and you can take it to him!

I can only be an innocent bystander! LOL!

 

[dblankenbaker]

So to win, you need a $250,000 kick-*** car, a professional driver for each different segment of the competition and a politician to talk the judges into believing that you paid $500 for the car?

You need a lot more than that. All the subjective stuff takes place on the first day. Last year Mumford got 100 pts for Drivability and 97 pts from the Guru Panel. Paolo got 33 pts on the Drivability (less than the Ultima even though they stalled it 3 times) and 60 pts from the Guru panel. So Paolo got 93 pts where Mumford got 197 pts last year. But wait, the scale is different this year so Paolo really got 73 pts vs Mumfords 197 pts based on last year's scale. Paolo's car is built to the max (engine, clutch, suspension, brakes, tranny, driveshaft, halfshafts, loops, cage, gauges, etc etc so I am really scratching my head as to why the Guru panel thinks it is HALF the car Mumford took to the competition last year.

Dave

 

[Miles B]

Tell them it's one of those Viper-on-a-Camaro kits, and demand a recount.
What the hell did the Skyline guy expect in the car show section? Over here the roads are literally littered with Skylines, and let me tell you, that is a piss-poor looking one from the shot I saw.

 

[SapphireGTS]

Ill punch him in the face for you. As long as he doesnt bounce with the 3riads. I dont mess with them anymore. They tend to team up on you. Thats unfair.

Is there anything EVER going down on the weekends. I get pretty bored. I have the weekend down to 2 events. Tearing my car apart then going to hoters.

What else is there to do? I hear about all this cool $hit but never know where.

 

[Miles B]

Hey man don't knock it.. the nearest ******* to me is like 1000 miles away, and I don't even have a Viper to tear apart.

So for me, it's tear apart the ricer, and go to the ***** bars. Small world.

 

[SapphireGTS]

So for me, it's tear apart the ricer, and go to the ***** bars. Small world.

I guess I should stop complaining huh.

 

[Miles B]

Heh heh one man's crappy time is another man's dream life.
Oh, to have a Viper and many local *******. Sure I'm supercharging the Lexus, but you can't get steak at the strip joint, and even if the car could pick them up, I'm not sure that would be even a remotely good thing.

Of course when I do get a Viper next year, I will be the only one driving on the road. Only other one I have ever seen was a demonstrator.

 

[SapphireGTS]

Who said it was crappy? Supercharging the LEX? Sweet. Im supercharging the Viper. Although I had to stop because I am waiting on the T-stat gasket.

Sorry to Hijack the thread Paolo.

 

[Miles B]

Ah I just meant crappy to you cos you said it's boring...

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[Motor City Mad Man]

Sounds like a CRAP competition. You should have punched WONG in the nose for Lying about his car and being a baby about the points.

You should have said that the Viper was a kit and you fabricated all the parts.

Actually he should have pulled a quote from "Happy Gilmore" and said "The price is Wong Beeeeooooootch!!!!!!!!!!!" And then punched Wong in the nose. This whole thing is rigged towards these import crap cars anyways. The mighty Nissan Skyline.

 

[Gerald]

You know, it's sounds like ANY competition, no matter if it's a car show or a calendar shoot. It's all b.s. and more than likely the best car/person NEVER wins. It's who schmoozed the judges the most or paid them off the most or lied the best to win.. Don't feel bad

Gerald

 

[varanus]

Last year Mumford won even though you could tell some of the tests are really skewed towards the imports. The supra winning the car show because of the carbon fiber hood?

Well you should have known being a mostly import magazine ir behooves them not to have a viper win again. Advertisers would probably leave in droves.

The funny thing was when you read everything, anyone who is unbiased can tell some comparisons were give me's for the import guys.

 

[SapphireGTS]

Thats right. . . ITs sport compact car.

They had a modded (evo?) against a LS1 Camaro in the 1/4 mile. They were testing if a 4 ****** could measure up against a BIG AMERICAN V8. Total biased article.

The only real test is 2 people in 2 cars in a race. Being a good driver is included in your car being "Ultimate" worthy.

 

[tyndago]

Sounds like a CRAP competition. You should have punched WONG in the nose for Lying about his car and being a baby about the points.

You should have said that the Viper was a kit and you fabricated all the parts.

You seem to be getting the Ultima GT-R and the Nissan Skyline GT-R confused. The Ultima is a kit car built by the owner .

The Nissan Skyline GT-R was mostly built by King Motorsports , with some detail stuff done by Nick , and myself.

You really dont want to threaten bodily harm on anyone in a public forum. Not the thing to do.

If your car is bigger and badder than his , then prove it.

If you have to punch him to prove it , maybe you should find another sandbox to go and play in.

 

[ChoiceViper]

Do you guys think an import tuning mag will let a Viper win twice?
I think he lost before he even started....
JMO, but there's no love for the vipe's "low tech pushrod, measly two valve-per-cylinder, big cube " motors.

 

[dmora]

This is pulled from the Ultima website... http://www.ultimacars.com/fra_pricing_ordering.htm

Pricing:
The price of an Ultima GTR or Ultima Can-Am Roller is $89,000.

The price includes sea freight shipping from the UK to a US seaport of the customer's choice, so long as the seaport is serviced directly fromthe UK.

The customer is responsible for US Customs clearance, import duty and overland transport from th seaport to the Rollers' final destination.

In addition to the Roller the customer will also need a Chevrolet small block V8 and a Porsche G50 (or Getrag) transaxle. Once the customer has installed these, the completed car is ready for registration!

A Porsche tranny and SBC DO NOT COME CHEAP

Magazines are in the business to make money. Their key market is the import crowd.
However, Mumford was still able to win last year and i dont recall him making excuses.

 

[Paolo Castellano]

If your car is bigger and badder than his , then prove it.

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Sean, that is your name, I did not remember.

My car IS bigger and it IS BADDER....... It is obvious I did prove it. What did you prove?

As far as the Viper guys on this board are concerned, they love the Viper like you love the Skyline..... Do you have a problem with that on the Viper board?

You see, we are not going on the Skyline board because we do not care to have anything to do with one.

Let's face it, if you could really buy a Skyline for 31K, I would have one for sure.

I have to say the only thing that really impressed me about the Skyline was how it could kick out the back end on the skidpad and pull it back in and keep on going. I do not know if it was in AWD mode or not but it was cool to say the least. If you guys were as cool as the Skyline maybe the VIper owners would not want to kick your asses!

Sean here is a quote from you: "If you have to punch him to prove it , maybe you should find another sandbox to go and play in."

==> If you are going to keep talking [******] about the Viper, maybe you should consider finding another litter box in which you can bury your [******]......

 

[tyndago]

My car IS bigger and it IS BADDER....... It is obvious I did prove it. What did you prove?

Bigger and badder how ? More peak power on the dyno ? 4 seconds slower around the road course ? 12.4 in the quarter mile ?

Even after we proved how far we could scatter Skyline parts......[******] happens in racing. And it happened to us. The only way we were going to lose the contest was if we beat ourselves. Which is what we did.

As far as the Viper guys on this board are concerned, they love the Viper like you love the Skyline..... Do you have a problem with that on the Viper board?

I have respect where its due. Paul Mumford was a class act. Nice guy , and he did everything well. He won the contest fair and square. Close , but fair. He kicked our ass on the road course last year . He even said that he offered to drive your car for you. Your 820 whp Viper got owned by a 325 whp 350Z. You had more tire , more brake , and nearly triple the power. Thats a joke. If you cant drive - admit it .

Let's face it, if you could really buy a Skyline for 31K, I would have one for sure.

http://www.rbmotoring.com/stocklist.html

We have a 1994 Silver R32 for $38,000 . Recently I sold a 1990 R32 for $27,000 legalized. Nick bought his car new in 1992. He then owned it in Hong Kong until 1999 . When he had it imported from Hong Kong to the US. He had to pay to get it "Modified" to meet US standards.

I dont really agree with the base price either , but it would be something very difficult to figure if you included mods.

I have to say the only thing that really impressed me about the Skyline was how it could kick out the back end on the skidpad and pull it back in and keep on going.

It was RWD. RWD is better on skidpads. AWD , even the style the GT-R has is not that great on a skidpad.

==> If you are going to keep talking [******] about the Viper, maybe you should consider finding another litter box in which you can bury your [******]......

The Viper last year was a class act He won because he was the better car . When the magazine , and the DVD comes out people can see your class act - 820 whp Viper.

What place you come in again ?

 

[Chuck 97 GTS]

Even after we proved how far we could scatter Skyline parts......[******] happens in racing.

Actually, your brand of [******] happens when you bring a knife to a gunfight.

 

[SapphireGTS]

Sounds like a CRAP competition. You should have punched WONG in the nose for Lying about his car and being a baby about the points.

You should have said that the Viper was a kit and you fabricated all the parts.

You seem to be getting the Ultima GT-R and the Nissan Skyline GT-R confused. The Ultima is a kit car built by the owner .

The Nissan Skyline GT-R was mostly built by King Motorsports , with some detail stuff done by Nick , and myself.

You really dont want to threaten bodily harm on anyone in a public forum. Not the thing to do.

If your car is bigger and badder than his , then prove it.

If you have to punch him to prove it , maybe you should find another sandbox to go and play in.

My car isnt bigger and badder than his but I am People dont take things to lightly on the internet. Why is that?

I tend not to get bent out of shape about someone having a faster car than me. Buying a car from the Japanese is like buying a car from the Taliban. If the US could make a car as good and hightech as the Skyline GT-R I would buy one. I dont buy cars from the Japanese, or the Nazis.

Although the Skyline did prove that HP isnt everything. Just like size isnt everyting.

 

[Russ M]

Would you guys stop this supra forum style debates. Viper lost/skyline blew up, it happens neither of you guys won.

Next year you will learn from your mistakes and do better.

Sean dont you have some cars to export or something, stop inflaming your possible future customers.

 

[repete]

Tyndago..what place did the skyline come in?

 

[tyndago]

Would you guys stop this supra forum style debates. Viper lost/skyline blew up, it happens neither of you guys won.

Next year you will learn from your mistakes and do better.

Sean dont you have some cars to export or something, stop inflaming your possible future customers.

Russ - importing and exporting cars yes . Not trying to inflame people. But how you like the guy saying that buying a Japanese car is like buying a car from the Taliban ? I was just stating some facts. I came on here to check out our competition. I saw the Viper as the biggest competition we had. After that the Ultima GT-R.

Russ - whens the next time you are going out in the Canyons ? I still have that one video - tailing your Viper though some roads.

820 whp is a lot. 200 + mph top speed is more than I have. I guess I just expected to see more from the Viper on the road course , from the drag strip , and 0-60.

We really didnt need to push as hard as we did to win the contest. We pushed hard because we were expecting more. We paid the price. Small displacement high reving , vs big displacement low reving.

The Skyline came in 7th place - 700 something points. We missed the 0-60 ,the quarter mile , the 60-0 braking and the gross display of horsepower. A total of 355 points we missed.


The R32 really doesnt look like much.

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