Stainless Brake Lines for Gen V?

[steve911]

What's available for stainless brake lines for the Gen V? Is it the same as the Gen 4?

Anyone install a set yet?

Thanks

 

[Allan]

I would think the lines are different............at least for the rear, as the calipers are in a different location the previous cars.
The front lines may be the same though.

Jon B would be able to help with this question.
He seems to know what's up with Viper brakes.

 

[Mopar Steve]

Check with" fine lines" they make stainless steel reproduction lines for many cars. They may have them and if not they may be willing to work with you on a R &D project.

 

[JonB]

Correct Alan, and thanks. The lines are very similar but the bracketry is different and complicated angles. PartsRack will have them on a G5 car at Dan Cragin's by end of next week......then available Mid-October

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I would think the lines are different............at least for the rear, as the calipers are in a different location the previous cars.
The front lines may be the same though.

Jon B would be able to help with this question.
He seems to know what's up with Viper brakes.

 

[JonB]

PartRack has provided FIA-Spec G5 SS lines / custom G5 bracketry to both Tomball Dodge and to Dan Cragin.

After final fit and testing (track of course) by Morgan and Dan we hope to release this product before Oct 30, at $295/set of 4.

Pre-orders are encouraged, and will receive an 'inaugural' special price of $269/set. Pre-Order by email please to:

[email protected]

Thank You......... JonB

 

[jjrho]

dan's going to be installing them in my TA tomorrow…. wonder if I should have him use a different break fluid while he's at it ?1??
please advise guys…. may be i can ask Dan to change the fluid before he's done….

jR

 

[Stealth]

dan's going to be installing them in my TA tomorrow…. wonder if I should have him use a different break fluid while he's at it ?1??
please advise guys…. may be i can ask Dan to change the fluid before he's done….

jR

Yes, Castrol SRF--expensive but generally does not need to be changed as frequently as lesser fluids.

 

[JonB]

dan's going to be installing them in my TA tomorrow…. wonder if I should have him use a different break fluid while he's at it ?1??
please advise guys…. may be i can ask Dan to change the fluid before he's done….

jR

You have no choice: if you are replacing-adding SS lines you MUST change the brake fluid! I bet Dan stocks Motul 600 RBF or some excellent equivalent such as StopTech 600 ...

 

[jjrho]

yup, motul 600 it is.... he said castrol for race cars, more hydrophilic... and as sweet brown said, "ain't nobody got time for that ....."
tnx for the input ya all...
will report back on temp. difference after corsa/wrapped in 2" DEI titanium wrap with 2nd Cats out...i took some measurements before dropping it off there last night....
jR

 

[jjrho]

so..is my TA the first few to get the SS lines installed then ?

 

[zim32]

My TA is being done today...

 

[Stealth]

yup, motul 600 it is.... he said castrol for race cars, more hydrophilic... and as sweet brown said, "ain't nobody got time for that ....."
tnx for the input ya all...

jR

Perhaps you misunderstood Dan (a Master of the Viper). Castrol SRF is far superior to the other fluids and is priced accordingly. It does not absorb water to cause a "soft brake pedal" and lasts much longer than Motul, hence fewer changes. Since the Dealer flushes my brakes I do not like to be changing the fluid more often than necessary. Perhaps if I add speed bleeders so that I could flush the brakes I might consider something different. My Gen V still has stock fluid and lines.

Good luck with the SS Lines--usually a great mod!

 

[PeerBlock]

SS lines should have been part of the track pack IMO. They do make a noticeable difference in pedal feel once the brakes get hot. As far as I know, all brake fluids are hygroscopic, which means they'll **** in moisture from the air...shouldn't be an issue since the braking system is a closed system devoid of air. This is also why you can't store unused brake fluid for later - better to buy it in small containers to avoid waste because once you open a container you have to discard whatever you don't use.

 

[JonB]

so..is my TA the first few to get the SS lines installed then ?

YES, yours was the first. Your feedback important! Also have sets now installed by Murray Racing, Tomball Dodge, an Eddie Martin-Maeham Motosports, ALL FOUR POSITIVE FEEDBCK....

 

[JonB]

SS lines should have been part of the track pack IMO. They do make a noticeable difference in pedal feel once the brakes get hot. As far as I know, all brake fluids are hygroscopic, which means they'll **** in moisture from the air...shouldn't be an issue since the braking system is a closed system devoid of air. This is also why you can't store unused brake fluid for later - better to buy it in small containers to avoid waste because once you open a container you have to discard whatever you don't use.

Two nit-picks: DOT 5.0 (Silicone) fluid is not hygroscopic.....that is why it should never be used in a VIPER. "Silicone is for BREASTS, Not Brakes" ....

Motul 600 comes in opaque, plastic .5 litre bottles that can be squeezed, collapsed, and the air purged from them, pushing fluid right up to the seal. "Bleed your Bottle" and save the leftover fluid! Or use it to top-off and refresh the clutch, after you suction the reservoir nearly empty

 

[Stealth]

Jon B:

Can you speak to the issue of Motul 600 vs. Castrol SRF in the Gen V Viper? I always used SRF in my Gen IV because even though it was (much) more expensive, it lasted longer between flushes. I will be adding SS Lines at the first Brake Fluid change. Also, would you add the same fluid to the Clutch? I seem to recall that they can both use the same fluid, although I may be mixing up my cars! Thanks!

 

[JonB]

Where and How you drive matters a great deal. Street-driven cars are 100% fine with Mopar DOT 4. The more temp you put in the brakes with tracking, long sessions, aggressive pads, slicks, high speed v Auto-Cross, etc etc, can push your rotors to 1200f !!! Boiling lesser fluids.

The fact is, the MORE hygroscopic a fluid is, the SHORTER it's useful everyday life in a street car! Why? The wet-boiling temp is important for tracking events, but not for street use..

Would you put premium fuel in a Ford Pinto? Nope. A Ford GT? Yup. If you NEED the most forgiving hot-wet fluid, use SRF. Pro-race teams in endurance racing do. And many use Motul600!

But For non-tracking, or rarely tracking Viper owners, SRF is like 'Premium Fuel in a Pinto'....

Years ago SRF was DARKer right out of the bottle, like Super-Blue, making it difficult for a tech inspector (me) to judge its age. SRF may now be clear, {guys??} I avoided it for years due to its dark tint!

 

[Dan Cragin]

Jon is correct. SRF has the highest boiling point, great for use in track cars that have issues boiling the fluid and getting a soft pedal. Draw back is this fluid is very expensive and hydroscopic, meaning is will absorb moisture quicker than other fluids. Flush it often and make sure the bottle is sealed tight.

For street/ club track applications Castoral DOT 4 is great. Serious Track rats we use Motul 600/660. Full race Castoral SRF.

The Partsrack brake lines give a firm pedal, better brake feel and improved safety over the rubber factory lines. Available through most vendors here.

 

[jjrho]

sorry, been busy… i only drove my TA about 700 miles before SS lines put in by Dan….i thought the brakes were better than my other cars to begin with….
i hven't driven my car hard really yet… i think the SS line makes it a bit more responsive on braking but otherwise, at the way i'm driving it so far…i can't say it made much difference … i m sure on track , it would be an improvement over stock rubber lines….
sorry, can't be any more descriptive…. i'm still in my honey moon phase with this car…. loving it….