Super Charger Kits ...Paxton Vs. Roe.. which is better and why!
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If you do a search you will find a ton of information. I would call Doug Levin on the Paxton stuff...his number is: 305-249-7223.
Many have gotten high HP numbers with Paxton, but it all depends on what you are looking for. Two different types out there.
Many have gotten high HP numbers with Paxton, but it all depends on what you are looking for. Two different types out there.
2MANYTOYS
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What year car do you have? And how much power do you want? Both are good setups. I've owned both pm me and I will try and anwser any questions.
2002_Viper_GTS_ACR
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Depends on who is doing the install.
Roe, is best for the DIY'er havent heard any blow ups posted on here.
Paxton, might make more power, but if you are expecting the DIY kit to actually be a DIY kit, your are totally out of luck. It requires significant tuning to make it even remotely close to safe.
Go with Roe. If I had to do it all over again, thats the route I would take instead of my ill fated paxton decision.
Jon
Roe, is best for the DIY'er havent heard any blow ups posted on here.
Paxton, might make more power, but if you are expecting the DIY kit to actually be a DIY kit, your are totally out of luck. It requires significant tuning to make it even remotely close to safe.
Go with Roe. If I had to do it all over again, thats the route I would take instead of my ill fated paxton decision.
Jon
Socrates
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My question is which one requires less maintenance (or any at all other than regular oil changes)? Will I have to worry about any issues after the install/tuning?
BigCarrot
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I'm digging my Paxton!
Also, how much power do you want and how much are you willing to spend. The Paxton will make more power, but may require more mods. The Roe (which I have) is an easy bolt on (read as call Tator and let him do it for me) and makes tons of power. Remember, the Paxton will probably run about 20K from a top installer and the Roe will run about 10K. Both depend on what you start with. Both great kits, just different.
I suggest you get a ride in a 8lbs Roe first. You may see that it is more than enough power. It doesn't say in your sig, but if you are in NY near LI, I would be happy to take you for a ride.
Good luck.
Mike
I suggest you get a ride in a 8lbs Roe first. You may see that it is more than enough power. It doesn't say in your sig, but if you are in NY near LI, I would be happy to take you for a ride.
Good luck.
Mike
I had issues with Paxton customer service....I don't deal with them anymore. Doug Levin has been great support and I am happy with my system that I built with the help of DLM.
Go through Doug and you will have all the backing you need on any Paxton System.
Go through Doug and you will have all the backing you need on any Paxton System.
1TONY1
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NTSI, What kind of driving/racing are you interested in ? The Roe is exceptional at the autocross, I don't think a centrifical would be near as good. On the road course the centrifical probably closes that gap but certainly would not better it. Drag race: I haven't seen but one "paxton factory" kit at the strip and it wasn't impressive. Do not confuse a tuner Paxton such as DLM with the Paxton DIY factory kit. I am very impressed with the Gen3 Paxton factory kit.
Maintenance: My Roe just got it's first oil change and I have somewhere around 14,000 miles on it. I have never changed the belt except for when I changed pulley size.
Maintenance: My Roe just got it's first oil change and I have somewhere around 14,000 miles on it. I have never changed the belt except for when I changed pulley size.
CitySnake
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Another factor is your general driving RPM range. Twin screw will generate more of it's added power in the lower RPM region. Paxton will generate more of it's added power above 4G's.
Socrates
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Tony,
Do you make housecalls? I'm ready!
PS. I think it's about a six hour drive to my place. I'll pay for travel expenses.
Joseph Dell
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here is a cheap paxton kit forsale...
http://www.v1peralley.com/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/489067/page/0/view/collapsed/sb/5/o/all/fpart/1
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JD
http://www.v1peralley.com/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/489067/page/0/view/collapsed/sb/5/o/all/fpart/1
[replace the 1 with an i]
JD
Socrates
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Drive?? Surely you jest! Tony will fly his plane down there and install it.
P.S.--I ain't kidding either.
LOL, really? Wow, what service!
Tony -- I've sent you a PM.
99 R/T 10
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Tony,
Do you make housecalls? I'm ready!
PS. I think it's about a six hour drive to my place. I'll pay for travel expenses.
Shoot, I'll come down and be his choogy boy. Socrats, I didn't know you were so close. You got bigbadcj in Destin and Chad(aka Snakehydes) in Marianna. We could make it a day. PM me when you are looking to do it.
Mike
Socrates
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Mike,
I sent you an e-mail. Hey, wait a second, what's a choogy boy?
I sent you an e-mail.
Hey, wait a second, what's a choogy boy? 1TONY1
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Drive?? Surely you jest! Tony will fly his plane down there and install it.
P.S.--I ain't kidding either.
LOL, really? Wow, what service!
That sounded good a long time ago.......until you add the cost of my airplane....then it doesn't sound so good
Mike is an experienced installer.....just don't let him make you hold his "choogy"
When the weather clears up here I'm going shopping for a used SRT. I'll buy the DLM/PAX kit with the intercooler. Doug has a lot of cars making serious power and the SRT is on the top of the list. I've heard a lot of good things about the Roe system and think it's a very good bolt on package for the money. DLM say's that 1TONY1 is a very good dealer to buy the Roe kit from.
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A roots blower adds more stress to a motor than a centrifugal blower. On a NA engine, peak cylinder pressure is reached on a motor at its peak torque, and since the roots makes power down low, it increases the cylinder pressures even more at peak torque. This will cause more stress on a motor. A centrifugal blower will make power up top, when cylinder pressures drop.
Roots blowers, more power down low, but put more stress on the engine. Centrifugal blowers, put less stress on the engine, but max power is gained up top.
If your debating between the Paxton kit and Roe's, get the Roe. It is complete, simple, and very well priced for a complete kit. You buy the kit, and your finish. This is what I plan to buy. I have built many cars, and for mine, I want a complete solution without having to monkey around with extra parts. It is the easiest and most reliable way from a DIY perspective.
The Paxton kit does not have a well laid out fuel and tuning solution, so you will be adding more parts to it until your car is a science project. If you know your stuff, then this can be a fun and powerful route, but more costly than Roe's. If you can spend the money, get a centrifugal supercharger kit from a tuner, who can give you a complete solution.
Roots blowers, more power down low, but put more stress on the engine. Centrifugal blowers, put less stress on the engine, but max power is gained up top.
If your debating between the Paxton kit and Roe's, get the Roe. It is complete, simple, and very well priced for a complete kit. You buy the kit, and your finish. This is what I plan to buy. I have built many cars, and for mine, I want a complete solution without having to monkey around with extra parts. It is the easiest and most reliable way from a DIY perspective.
The Paxton kit does not have a well laid out fuel and tuning solution, so you will be adding more parts to it until your car is a science project. If you know your stuff, then this can be a fun and powerful route, but more costly than Roe's. If you can spend the money, get a centrifugal supercharger kit from a tuner, who can give you a complete solution.
Joseph Dell
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Ok... Ok... I'll weigh in. Admiditly I'm not a stock KIT setup of either of these. But let's talk about upgrading.
With a paxton, do some headwork and crank up the boost (provided your fuel system can handle it) and you are up to 800rwhp. I am yet to see a ROE car do that (though Tony's is pretty damn impressive)...
Base HP on the ROE set-up is a little less than on a paxton... and if that is all you are going to do then do it and do it now b/c those set-ups are NICE! But if you are thinking heads, cam, and some more serious racing, then the paxton base system is more easily upgradable.
I'm not knockin' the ROE at all. I love the setup and recommend it to many. But if you are the type to grow tired of things and want MORE, then consider the paxton...
just my .02...
JD
With a paxton, do some headwork and crank up the boost (provided your fuel system can handle it) and you are up to 800rwhp. I am yet to see a ROE car do that (though Tony's is pretty damn impressive)...
Base HP on the ROE set-up is a little less than on a paxton... and if that is all you are going to do then do it and do it now b/c those set-ups are NICE! But if you are thinking heads, cam, and some more serious racing, then the paxton base system is more easily upgradable.
I'm not knockin' the ROE at all. I love the setup and recommend it to many. But if you are the type to grow tired of things and want MORE, then consider the paxton...
just my .02...
JD
1TONY1
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You do know that a Roe blower is a screw type and not a roots ? The power band is probably similar though.
As someone once told me..."you're going to want more power" because you will get used to the power and it will feel slow. How very true that is.
I had a Paxton kit, and completely took it out. The only thing I have right now is just the Novi 2000 and the bracket, which I have strengthen. Since then I have added different things:
JM Heads
Roller Rockers
Entire Fuel System
Custom Lower Crank Pulley by DLM
Custom "Other" pullies
Custom 3" intake and air to air intercooler
Beefed up crossmember
Water/**** system
Wide Band
and the list goes on... but if you decide to do a Paxton...I would buy the "Tuner Kit" which will allow you to do more with it and how you want to do it without buying the extra's you won't need in the future.
I will be heading back to the dyno soon...but yes the Paxton needs more tuning, but when you want more power...it's going to be there for you.
I had a Paxton kit, and completely took it out. The only thing I have right now is just the Novi 2000 and the bracket, which I have strengthen. Since then I have added different things:
JM Heads
Roller Rockers
Entire Fuel System
Custom Lower Crank Pulley by DLM
Custom "Other" pullies
Custom 3" intake and air to air intercooler
Beefed up crossmember
Water/**** system
Wide Band
and the list goes on... but if you decide to do a Paxton...I would buy the "Tuner Kit" which will allow you to do more with it and how you want to do it without buying the extra's you won't need in the future.
I will be heading back to the dyno soon...but yes the Paxton needs more tuning, but when you want more power...it's going to be there for you.
Joseph Dell
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Screw is much more efficient than roots. They both mount on top of the intake but the internals are different.
CHAD
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Forget Brian and Tony's over-achievements, look who is running good times. It looks like the Roes and Paxtons are running similar times although the Paxtons tend to have more peak hp. It is all about power under the curve and the Roes seem to do as well as the Paxtons at the track.
Just my observations.
Just my observations.
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