VCA Edition Red/White SRT Coupe - Deadline of December 2nd!

[Janni]

F355 and other SRT bashers...

SRT has heard you loud and clear- so hold your freaking horses.

But let's talk about this current edition. What other car company develops a special, VERY limited run of car specifically for members of the CLUB? SRT doesn't have to do this - they do it to give MEMBERS yet another benefit to belonging to the VCA. And while the SRT may not be your cup of tea - it's highly thought of by many owners - and in the future - a documented special edition WILL be more valuable even if you may think it is not so today.

I own perhaps the baddest Gen III available and can attest to it's outstanding performance, driveability, competitiveness and DURABILITY - since the CC is very production based - the stock SRT motor that is in it, and the almost stock tranny and many other stock parts are OUTSTANDING. So you don't like the styling - don't buy one. But until you have a decent amount of seat time in this car in a competitive arena - hold the "SRT is a ****" comments.

So - why not take a break from the bashing and for THIS car - be happy that SRT is doing something to make a specific car available ONLY to members.

I am as adamant about pushing SRT to make some changes to the current car, but can recognize when they are giving us club members a really nice perk.

Jeez.

 

[Y2K5SRT]

Some neat stripes, stiching, and cheap interior parts are going to make this car so amazing that everyone is going to want one? I think to differ. If the Coupe does the same thing that the convertible did, and it will, I could buy a red coupe, change the interior parts, and paint stripes and still come out saving thousands!

Um, actually you are wrong. Very. The last time stripes were an option on the Viper (GTS) they were $3000 from the factory. Custom interior? Cognac added another $1000 from what I remember. Five spoke SRT wheels? $700 upgrade from the factory. And there are other goodies with this car as well that you can't buy on a production SRT-10. Price difference if you could order it this way vs. "prepackaged"? It would cost you at least $800 MORE. And the fact that only FIFTY will be made with white stripes is indeed a big deal. These are not offered as a factory option. Period.

Perhaps we should troll all of your posts and diss the RT/10 in our replies? Especially in YOUR forum. Please show a little class and save your insults for your own forum. It is just sickening to read over and over and over and over again.

 

[sween]

i saw the red and white coupe in person. definetly the most badass viper yet. it looked perfect. and that DC is only making 50 of them makes it even cooler. if i was a member and had the money, id get it. i dont know what everyone is *****ing about. if you dont want to get it you dont have to.but if i could, i would

 

[DodgeViper01]

F355 and other SRT bashers...

SRT has heard you loud and clear- so hold your freaking horses.

But let's talk about this current edition. What other car company develops a special, VERY limited run of car specifically for members of the CLUB? SRT doesn't have to do this - they do it to give MEMBERS yet another benefit to belonging to the VCA. And while the SRT may not be your cup of tea - it's highly thought of by many owners - and in the future - a documented special edition WILL be more valuable even if you may think it is not so today.

I own perhaps the baddest Gen III available and can attest to it's outstanding performance, driveability, competitiveness and DURABILITY - since the CC is very production based - the stock SRT motor that is in it, and the almost stock tranny and many other stock parts are OUTSTANDING. So you don't like the styling - don't buy one. But until you have a decent amount of seat time in this car in a competitive arena - hold the "SRT is a ****" comments.

So - why not take a break from the bashing and for THIS car - be happy that SRT is doing something to make a specific car available ONLY to members.

I am as adamant about pushing SRT to make some changes to the current car, but can recognize when they are giving us club members a really nice perk.

Jeez.

If you call spending $92,000 plus taxes so about $100,000 for a car that looses value at a rate of 15%+ in the first year, then you can have your perks and I will pass, as many others have. They are only out to make make money and it does not matter for Dodge since the dealers order the cars from them. Dodge is getting paid. It is the dealers that have to drop their prices. Yes demand slows and in the long run Dodge pays too, but it is not immediate for them.

 

[DodgeViper01]

Some neat stripes, stiching, and cheap interior parts are going to make this car so amazing that everyone is going to want one? I think to differ. If the Coupe does the same thing that the convertible did, and it will, I could buy a red coupe, change the interior parts, and paint stripes and still come out saving thousands!

Um, actually you are wrong. Very. The last time stripes were an option on the Viper (GTS) they were $3000 from the factory. Custom interior? Cognac added another $1000 from what I remember. Five spoke SRT wheels? $700 upgrade from the factory. And there are other goodies with this car as well that you can't buy on a production SRT-10. Price difference if you could order it this way vs. "prepackaged"? It would cost you at least $800 MORE. And the fact that only FIFTY will be made with white stripes is indeed a big deal. These are not offered as a factory option. Period.

Perhaps we should troll all of your posts and diss the RT/10 in our replies? Especially in YOUR forum. Please show a little class and save your insults for your own forum. It is just sickening to read over and over and over and over again.

Who said I would have the stripes done by the factory. A body shop can do the stripes for MUCH LESS than $3,000 and they will look just as good. Wheels, eBay, and seats/interior parts, eBay as well.

 

[GR8_ASP]

Doubtful that added stripes will retain a similar value in the resale market. First question I have heard for every Viper sale is "has there ever been any paint work?" Hard to return it back to standard.

 

[DodgeViper01]

Thanks Chris for some positive and rational words.

Funny how some can call the 2002 FE an instant collectable (even though many sat at dealerships for a long time) when they made 3 hundred of them and then cannot see anything but the color scheme for this offering. Can anyone explain the difference??? 50 of these vs. 300 of those. Offered only to the VCA vs. offered to anyone with money (or loan).

It is only a VCA edition. Afterall look at what happened with the Yellow VCA edition SRT-10's. Went up a LITTLE bit after announcement and now they go for market value like any other SRT-10. Yes, Dodge is making an effort, but not a very good one.

Now to address editions. 50 vs. 300, yes that is nice but look at the facts, yes there were 300 Final Edition GTS's and yes there are 50 VCA Edition Red coupes, but look at the stats:

Offical Editions in The GEN I/II Line:

1998 GT2 in White with Blue Stripes
100 Made

2002 Final Edition GTS in Red with White Stripes
300 Made

TOTAL SPECIAL EDITIONS FOR THE GEN I/II LINE: 2
TOTAL YEARS FOR PRODUCTION: 10
*All had "SPECIAL" Badging

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Offical Editions in The SRT-10 Line:

VCA EDITION SRT-10 in Yellow
50 Made

VCA Edition SRT-10 Coupe in Red with White Stripes
50 TO BE MADE

SRT-10 Mamba in Silver
200 Made

SRT-10 Mamba in Black
200 Made

SRT-10 Mamba in White
200 Made

Commemorative Edition SRT-10 in White
100 Made

Copperhead Edition SRT-10 in Orange
300 Made

First Edition SRT-10 Coupe in Blue with White Stripes
200 Made

TOTAL SPECIAL EDITIONS FOR THE GEN III LINE: 8
TOTAL YEARS FOR PRODUCTION: 3
*All had "SPECIAL" Badging

History tells the story itself. The GEN I/II Line did not need special editions to sell their cars but the GEN III Line does. Seems like all these special editions are being done to try and help sales, but still not helping at all. Maybe it is the design of the car?? Just my two cents.

 

[MoparMan]

Y2K5SRT - has there been any thought by SRT to build a run of these VCA Edition Vipers with the Mopar Performance parts that were put on the Copperhead coupe shown at SEMA? Even at an increased price, that would make the 50 alot more appealing to the VCA members.

 

[SRT10]

Who said I would have the stripes done by the factory. A body shop can do the stripes for MUCH LESS than $3,000 and they will look just as good. Wheels, eBay, and seats/interior parts, eBay as well.

Hey F355! For $5000 bucks you can have this "Viper"...

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Heck your MOM can save over $80,0000 !!! WOW!
Think of all the cool eBay parts you can add!

 

[DodgeViper01]

Who said I would have the stripes done by the factory. A body shop can do the stripes for MUCH LESS than $3,000 and they will look just as good. Wheels, eBay, and seats/interior parts, eBay as well.

Hey F355! For $5000 bucks you can have this "Viper"...

You must be registered for see images

Heck your MOM can save over $80,0000 !!! WOW!
Think of all the cool eBay parts you can add!

That was pretty corney! Try to stick with the facts.

 

[Yellow32]

I think MoparMan has a valid point.

If the VCA edition came with some performance parts that did not require gov't re-certification that would be awesome:

*-Quaife Diff
*-Comp Coupe Oil Pan
*-Team Tech Belts (6pt) (in addition to stock belts) perhaps a kill switch for the "belt warning" so I don't have to wear my regular belt when wearing the 6pt harness just to keep it from "binging" at me..)
*-Moton Adjustable Shocks/Springs
*-Blueprinted Transmission

And run them in VIN sequence! Do that for under a 100K and, wow, you're talking!

-J

 

[GR8_ASP]

F355 ever think the economy had anything to do with the need for incentives (whether it be pricing or values)? Seems like the economy was doing a bit better in the Gen I/II days than in the Gen II time period. You like to put everything on the car itself but there are many more variables at play.

Can you fault a car company from trying to find ways to add value (whether perceived or actual)?

 

[SRT10]

The GEN I/II Line did not need special editions to sell their cars but the GEN III Line does. Seems like all these special editions are being done to try and help sales, but still not helping at all. Maybe it is the design of the car?? Just my two cents.

F355, when were Gen I/II Vipers big sellers?
Here's a copy of total production Vipers to year 04. 2005 isn't out yet.

Year Total Units
'92 285
'93 1043
'94 3083
'95 1577
'96 721
'96 GTS 1166
'97 RT/10 117
'97 GTS 1671
'98 RT/10 379
'98 GTS 837
'99 RT/10 549
'99 GTS 699
'99 ACR 215
'00 RT/10 840
'00 GTS/ACR 949
'00 ACR 218
'01 RT/10 874
'01 GTS/ACR 877
'01 ACR 227
'02 RT/10 545
'02 GTS/ACR 918
'02 ACR 159
'03 1875
'04 2435

It seems that only 94 was a year that beat the GEN III Viper. Keep in mind that the GEN III on the list is only one body style. The GTS/ACR never beat production of the SRT in a single year.

 

[Keith C]

i saw the red and white coupe in person. definetly the most badass viper yet. it looked perfect. and that DC is only making 50 of them makes it even cooler. if i was a member and had the money, id get it. i dont know what everyone is *****ing about. if you dont want to get it you dont have to.but if i could, i would

I had the same reaction when I saw the red and white coupe at the NY autoshow. Perfect.

 

[pauljkopick]

GR8 ASP- Dissentor,boasts.I am on my second SRT10 convertible, does that sound like a dissentor? Listing one of my rides which is a SRT10 Ram is boasting.My opinion that this VCA coupe isnt that big of a deal is just my thoughts.Know what you are talking about before you try to speak for others.

 

[RedSnakeGTS]

I'd love to have this car to put next to my blue/white. Maybe I can get that getbit guy to buy me one...

 

[GR8_ASP]

Sorry Paul. I did not mean to be abrasive. I was just pointing out that you take pride in stating that you have 1 of the only 500 of something. Which indicates you place some value on it. Otherwise you would not indicate it in your signature.

I also knew you had a Gen III (hard to miss the picture or Chris' comment about the color scheme). But your comment above indicating that you do not believe there are 50 coupe buyers is hardly indicative of support. Not sure if you meant it because it is red/white, it is a SRT coupe, or that there are too few VCA members that want to buy an SRT coupe.

Hard to believe this one line set you off "And strangely enough one of the dissenters boasts "449 of 500" in his signature."

 

[Y2K5SRT]

History tells the story itself. The GEN I/II Line did not need special editions to sell their cars but the GEN III Line does. Seems like all these special editions are being done to try and help sales, but still not helping at all. Maybe it is the design of the car?? Just my two cents.

Your two cents are not terribly appreciated here, but apparently you just can't grasp that. Definitely a nice way to torpedo an otherwise positive thread in the forum of a car you don't even own. Best of all, your facts are totally wrong and pretty embarrassing to you if the truth be told. But, you brought it on yourself:

Besides the 1994 RT/10, the SRT-10 outsold every single year of ANY Viper produced, including the GTS. "What?? That can't be right!", you think to yourself. Oh but it is and here they are in order:

1994 Viper RT/10 - 2394 sold in the US
2004 Viper SRT-10 - 2231 sold in the US
2003 Viper SRT-10 - 1739 sold in the US
1997 Viper GTS - 1671 sold in the US
1995 Viper RT/10 - 1422 sold in the US
1996 Viper GTS - 1166 sold in the US

Oh the horror! The SRT-10 sold more than any year Viper model since 1994! But since you like to rub your fellow Viper owner's faces in the dirt, try this factoid: Of the 1739 SRT-10's sold in 2003, not one was a "special" edition and all were sold to current Viper owners. Yet in the very last year of GTS/ACR production EVER, just under 40% were "special editions". And still they could only sell 873 in the US for the entire model year - and they were available to everybody, not just Viper owners. I have said it before and will say it again: The GTS is the most beautiful Viper ever produced in my opinion. Yet they couldn't even sell 1000 of them in their final year, even when 360 were special editions. The SRT-10 is a runaway hit by comparison.

So if you are looking for a very good-looking Viper in a killer color combination, this will undoubtedly be among the most rare SRT Coupes ever made. Not 200, not 100 - just 50. Compare that to the 360 Final Edition GTS/ACR's made in the exact same exterior colors and this is one hot car. Hopefully the new owners will post pictures!

PS. I was in the middle of typing a reply three times as long (and three times as fact filled), so SRT10 posted the production numbers first. Cool!

 

[pauljkopick]

You know what sets me off is when I see red srt 10s on the street.

Chris are you off your meds, again? Do you want me to take you back early again?

 

[GR8_ASP]

You know what sets me is when I see red srt 10s on the street.

I know - they are the fastest (at least to the cops). Course I see that you had one of the despicable red cars at one time as well. They may be a dime a dozen but I still associate Vipers with red (except the GTS with blue/white).

 

[DodgeViper01]

Y2K5SRT:

You have stated that the first year was amazing. It was a new product. What do you expect. The Viper was unchanged for 10 years and then they launch something new, of course people are going to jump on it. Just sad to say that did not happen with your precious coupe but that is another story.

Oh and by the way, if your car is so hot, then please explain the depreciation hit your car takes in the first year. As stated previously, up to 20%!!! EXPLAIN THIS Y2K!!! How come they are sitting on dealer lots?? I guess this is just because they are soooo highly desirable right? Now who is embarassed? The only embarassment I would have is you being my VCA President!

 

[pauljkopick]

Yea but mine had WHITE STRIPES!!!!!

 

[DodgeViper01]

F355 ever think the economy had anything to do with the need for incentives (whether it be pricing or values)? Seems like the economy was doing a bit better in the Gen I/II days than in the Gen II time period. You like to put everything on the car itself but there are many more variables at play.

Can you fault a car company from trying to find ways to add value (whether perceived or actual)?

Can be a possibility but I do not think the economy would play as huge a part. Yes it can be part of the reason but it is not the sole or major reason.

 

[FinalEd357]

As the proud owner of an 02 FE GTS, I can say that I LOVE THE NEW 1 OF 50 OFFER. High output, exotic, V-10, 1 of 50, VERY NOTICABLE differences to color scheme, etc.

I love my GTS, but I like the looks of this '06 red/white even more. I'll hang on to my car for now for other reasons, but think the 50 buyers will be VERY HAPPY with this beauty!

 

[FinalEd357]

Y2K-
P.S. thanks for posting this to make our members aware of this special offer. I am confident many appreciate it, and share in your passion for the car, our club and our forum.

Let's all be thankful for these badazz cars that we are blessed to own and stop knocking each other.

How fortunate we all are.

 

[GR8_ASP]

Well the economy killed the Viper in 2002-2003. It is not so much the sales but the average time to sell that was affected (hence my comment about the time on the lot for 2002 FE's). If it were not for the pre sales of the 2003 (by coupons a year in advance) 2003 would have tanked as well. By 2004 things were improving some but as I am sure you know the market and economy have been quite volatile since 9/11/01. Terrorists, Afghanastan, Iraq, oil prices ... As compared to the high growth years of the late 90's, the number of people with disposable incomes capable of new Viper purchases was quite low during the launch years of the SRT. So it is a little difficult to compare the years head to head as the market climates were quite different.

It was commonly thought that the SRT design was more mainstream and opened it up to a larger cross-section of the buying public. Comments I receive on the street kind of supports that (not a statistically valid survey of course). Had the economy been as steadfast as it was in the 90's I think the SRT sales would have been near double the Gen II. Mostly due to capacity and not demand. But with the economy tanking we will never know.

Now, in the past year competition has increased substantially. That will be the limiting factor for the near future. To stand out the Viper needs to outperform the competition by a significant margin or hit the public's nerve for design. The latter is more difficult as the public is fickle and timing does matter. I believe if you introduced the Gen I style with lack of windows, roof, etc now in 2005 it would need to perform at near Enzo levels to garner attention and be a success. The combo was perfect in 1992/3. But I believe it would fail in 2005. My $0.02

 

[DodgeViper01]

Well the economy killed the Viper in 2002-2003. It is not so much the sales but the average time to sell that was affected (hence my comment about the time on the lot for 2002 FE's). If it were not for the pre sales of the 2003 (by coupons a year in advance) 2003 would have tanked as well. By 2004 things were improving some but as I am sure you know the market and economy have been quite volatile since 9/11/01. Terrorists, Afghanastan, Iraq, oil prices ... As compared to the high growth years of the late 90's, the number of people with disposable incomes capable of new Viper purchases was quite low during the launch years of the SRT. So it is a little difficult to compare the years head to head as the market climates were quite different.

It was commonly thought that the SRT design was more mainstream and opened it up to a larger cross-section of the buying public. Comments I receive on the street kind of supports that (not a statistically valid survey of course). Had the economy been as steadfast as it was in the 90's I think the SRT sales would have been near double the Gen II. Mostly due to capacity and not demand. But with the economy tanking we will never know.

Now, in the past year competition has increased substantially. That will be the limiting factor for the near future. To stand out the Viper needs to outperform the competition by a significant margin or hit the public's nerve for design. The latter is more difficult as the public is fickle and timing does matter. I believe if you introduced the Gen I style with lack of windows, roof, etc now in 2005 it would need to perform at near Enzo levels to garner attention and be a success. The combo was perfect in 1992/3. But I believe it would fail in 2005. My $0.02

You do have some excellent points and I agree with quite a few of them. I also like your professionalism as well. Good job.

 

[ViperNM]

 

[ViperNM]

Y2K5SRT:

You have stated that the first year was amazing. It was a new product. What do you expect. The Viper was unchanged for 10 years and then they launch something new, of course people are going to jump on it. Just sad to say that did not happen with your precious coupe but that is another story.

Oh and by the way, if your car is so hot, then please explain the depreciation hit your car takes in the first year. As stated previously, up to 20%!!! EXPLAIN THIS Y2K!!! How come they are sitting on dealer lots?? I guess this is just because they are soooo highly desirable right? Now who is embarassed? The only embarassment I would have is you being my VCA President!

BFD

And your point is ....

 

[NHL2133]

As the proud owner of an 02 FE GTS, I can say that I LOVE THE NEW 1 OF 50 OFFER. High output, exotic, V-10, 1 of 50, VERY NOTICABLE differences to color scheme, etc.

I love my GTS, but I like the looks of this '06 red/white even more. I'll hang on to my car for now for other reasons, but think the 50 buyers will be VERY HAPPY with this beauty!

Thank you, Final Ed 357, for TRYING to get this thread back on track. Shame on the rest of you for hijacking this thread and turning into something UGLY again. Anyone bashing across Generation lines should have to fork their keys and pink slips over to someone who will appreciate the VIPER name plate for all it stands for, (no matter the generation it comes from). I hope you can all put your differences aside, shake hands, and be able to say with pride, "I own a Viper, the best car in the world." And if you can't, I'll PM you my address and you can ship your Viper directly to me, because you no longer deserve to own it, and you should go buy a Vette, you'll fit in with the crowd better.
I hope this can be resolved soon, because it's old and worn out, and I'm 99% of you will agree.