Viper One of One ACR

[mjf6175]

Hope someone here can answer a somewhat technical question......If you order a Viper One of One, it starts out as a GTC. Now if you add either one of the ACR pkgs what
will the VIN ID NUMBER come back as? Will it come back as an ACR? Or will it come back as a GTC? I ask because the loan amounts one can borrow as well as the resale value are affected by the model. And the bank will look at the VIN to determine.

 

[ViperJeff]

Come back as a GTC, there's no such thing as a Viper ACR Vin. The only way they would know it's an ACR is if they pull the Build Sheet

 

[mjf6175]

Viper Jeff....thanks for your answer. But I think there IS a difference between the VIN's of an "ACR" and an "GTC One of One ACR". Below I pasted 4 VIN's of 2015 ACR's that are listed by Viper Exchange. Two of them are for an ACR and two are for GTC One of One ACR:
1C3BDEDZ8GV100190-GTC ACR 1/1
1C3BDECZ9GV100071-ACR
1C3BDEDZ2GV100198-GTC ACR 1/1
1C3BDECZ4GV100155-ACR

Note that the seventh digit is "D" for the GTC 1/1 ACR while for the ACR it is "C". Now if you plug in these very VIN's into a decoder http://dodgeforum.com/forum/vindecoder.php
the decoder will tell you the VIN's with the "D" are a GTC (no mention that it is an ACR) and the VIN's with the "C" are ACR's. So far I have only tried this on these four VINS.

 

[ViperJeff]

you may be correct sir. I'm away from my database, I'll look when I get home. In years past that 7th digit has been the model (coupe,vert,SRT-10......etc)

 

[Smog Dog]

This will rattle a few cages.....

 

[mjf6175]

I did some more checking using listings of new Vipers on cars.com. Here is what I found:

The below four VIN's are all ACR's and are NOT a 1/1:
1C3BDECZ8GV100076
1C3BDECZ6GV100240
1C3BDECZ4GV100138
1C3BDECZ1GV100145
So all show the seventh digit as a "C" and are an ACR. The decoder pasted above shows "ACR"

The following three VIN's are for a GTC AND they are NOT ACR"S (no ACR pkg option added) nor a 1/1:
1C3BDEDZ1GV100273
1C3BDEDZ0GV100233
1C3BDEDZ7GV100276
The seventh digit is a "D". The decoder shows "GTC"

So far it holds true that a GTC has a VIN that is NOT the same as an ACR's and ACR's have a "C" for their seventh digit. Further, that if you option a GTC 1/1 with the ACR option the VIN still comes back as a GTC. To me this causes problems on loan amounts,resale and rate of depreciation. Example: IF someone where to lease (I do not plan on doing so) the lease payments would be based the depreciation of a GTC not an ACR.

 

[ViperJeff]

Equipment Listing
VIN 1C3BDEDZ8GV100190
Vehicle Description 2016 DODGE VIPER SRT GTC COUPE TWO DOOR COUPE


Equipment Listing
VIN 1C3BDECZ9GV100071
Vehicle Description 2016 DODGE VIPER SRT ACR TWO DOOR COUPE




I love learning.... thank You

previously they were shown as 2009 DODGE VIPER SRT-10 TWO DOOR COUPE and the ACR wasn't part of the description. It's actually good to see they added the ACR in the description.... well, until you have to get insurance coverage

 

[ViperJeff]

I did some more checking using listings of new Vipers on cars.com. Here is what I found:

The below four VIN's are all ACR's and are NOT a 1/1:
1C3BDECZ8GV100076
1C3BDECZ6GV100240
1C3BDECZ4GV100138
1C3BDECZ1GV100145
So all show the seventh digit as a "C" and are an ACR. The decoder pasted above shows "ACR"

The following three VIN's are for a GTC AND they are NOT ACR"S (no ACR pkg option added) nor a 1/1:
1C3BDEDZ1GV100273
1C3BDEDZ0GV100233
1C3BDEDZ7GV100276
The seventh digit is a "D". The decoder shows "GTC"

So far it holds true that a GTC has a VIN that is NOT the same as an ACR's and ACR's have a "C" for their seventh digit. Further, that if you option a GTC 1/1 with the ACR option the VIN still comes back as a GTC. To me this causes problems on loan amounts,resale and rate of depreciation. Example: IF someone where to lease (I do not plan on doing so) the lease payments would be based the depreciation of a GTC not an ACR.

I actually don't see the problem, the build sheet would still show that its an ACR

Equipment Listing
VIN 1C3BDEDZ8GV100190
Vehicle Description 2016 DODGE VIPER SRT GTC COUPE TWO DOOR COUPE
Monotone Paint
180 Amp Alternator
600 Amp Maintenance Free Battery
Battery Run Down Protection
Rain Brake Support
Electronic Stability Control
5 Mode Electronic Stability Control
Alcantara Trimmed Interior
Cup Holder Insert
Child Seat Upper Tether Anchorage
D/P Seat Belts w/Preten & L Limiters
Advanced Multistage Front Air Bags
Premium Cloth Headliner
Side Front Door Air Bags
Floor Carpet
Cargo Compartment Carpet
Trunk Dress-Up
Pass Grab Handle - L w/ SC Stitching
Pass Grab Handle - L w/B Stitching
SRT Leather Shift Knob
PB Handle - Leather / B Stitching
3.55 Rear Axle Ratio
Limited Slip Differential & Rr Axle

STANDARD EQUIPMENT
NVH Enhancements
Tinted Windshield Glass
Front Door Tinted Glass
Rear Window Defroster
Driver Side Sun Visor
Rear View Auto Dim Mirror
Passenger Side Sun Visor with Mirror
Power Mirrors
Remote Proximity Keyless Entry
Keyless Entry w/Immobilizer
Keyless Enter and Go / Passive Entry
Air Conditioning w/Auto Temp Control
Hood Insulation
Instrument Cluster w/Display Screen
SRT Performance Pages System
220 MPH Primary Speedometer
Fuel/Oil Press/Volt/Coolant Gauges
Tachometer
Var Intermittent Windshield Wipers
Dual Note Electric Horns
12V Auxiliary Power Outlet
Power Locking Glove Box
Remote Fuel Door Release
Inside Emergency Trunk Lid Release
Active Noise Control System
Black Shift Bezel
Key Fob Trunklid Release
Speed Sensitive Power Locks
Pwr Front Windows, 1-Touch,Up & Down
Warning Chime
Headlamps On Warning Chimes
Shift Indicator Warning Lamp
Message Center
Front Passenger Seat Belt Alert
LED Tail Lamps
Vehicle Information Center
Front Reading/Map Lamps
Automatic Headlamps
HID Headlamps - Semi-Gloss Black
Premium Security Alarm
Black Rear Accent Applique
Front License Plate Bracket
GTS Front/Rear Fascias
Viper Door Sill Plate Applique
Custom Badge
Dual Side Sport Exhaust
16 Gallon Fuel Tank
Engine Oil Cooler
Cruise Control - w/ SW Controls
Electronic Launch Control System
Special Paint
Uconnect 8.4 NAV
SRT High Perf Audio, 12 Speakers
900 Watt Amplifier
Integrated Window Antenna
Steering Wheel Mounted Audio Ctrls
Power Rack and Pinion Steering
Tilt Steering Column
ParkView(TM) Rear Back-up Camera
Power Adjustable Pedals
Sport Pedals
Tire Service Kit
Universal Garage Door Opener
Tire Pressure Monitoring Display
Capless Fuel Filler
English/USA Language
SRT Track Experience
Red Brake Calipers
O/B Refueling Vapor Rec Fuel Syst
Body Panel Parts Module
Instrument Panel Parts Module
Tire & Wheel Parts Module
Build To U.S. Mkt. Specifications
GVW/Payload Rating
U.S. Dealer Retail
Zone 63-Dallas
ZD/5771 Vehilce Family
2016 Vehicle Specifications
Price Class S
Two Door
Vehicle Order Tracking
U.S. Specifications Label
Texas Ship to State Code
Texas Sold to State Code
High Grip Alcantara Leather Seat

OPTIONAL EQUIPMENT
Black
ACR Interior Package
ACR Package
Factory Custom Body Exterior Paint
Extreme Aero Package
Carbon Ceramic Matrix Brakes
ACR Door Trim Panel
Leather Trim Seats
ACR Floor Mats
ACR Console
ACR Extreme Car Cover
6-Speed TR6060 Manual Transmission
Finned Differential Cooler
8.4L V10 SFI Engine
ACR Instrument Panel
GPS Navigation
GPS Antenna Input
Manual 6-Way Driver/Passenger Seats
Lower Dive Planes
Extreme Wing Spoiler - Exposed Weave
Extreme Front Splitter
Carbon Fiber Belly Pan
Upper Dive Planes
Extreme Hood
Extreme Rear Diffuser
ACR Badge
Satin Black Front Decal
50 State Emissions
Special Paint
All Radio Equipped Vehicles
HD Radio
8.4" Touchscreen Display
Harman Radio Manufacturer
SiriusXM Satellite Radio
Media Hub (SD, USB, Aux)
SiriusXM Travel Link
SiriusXM Traffic
Remote USB Port
Uconnect Access
All VP4 Radios
Alcantara Wrap Steering Wheel
Manually Adjustable Suspension
P295/25ZR19 P355/30ZR19 BSW Tires
Kumho Brand Tires
All Aluminum Wheels
19X11.0 19X13.0 ACR Gloss Black Whls
Carbon Fiber Structural X-Brace
Satin Black Fuel Filler Door
Integrated Voice Command w/Bluetooth
1-Yr. SiriusXM Radio Service
For Details, Visit DriveUconnect.com
For More Info, Call 800-643-2112
1 Yr. Trial (Registration Required)
5-Year SiriusXM Traffic Service
5-Year SiriusXM Travel Link Service
5 Additional Gallons of Gas
FAM: ZD TRACKING: 50603L07 MY:2016
Customer Preferred Package 2DL
Customer Preferred Package 22L
Gas Guzzler Tax
Sold Vehicle
Special Scheduling Condition VII
Distribution Services Tracking
Easy Order
United States Region Group
NAFTA Region

 

[mjf6175]

Thanks for the follow up Jeff. It maybe just me BUT I sure would want the VIN of my 1/1 ACR to come back as an ACR and NOT as a GTC. There are several issues down the road with this like I mentioned above: loan amounts, amount you can borrow, depreciation. What if your Viper was stolen? Or totaled in an accident? What would the insurance company base the value on? Most use the VIN. And this becomes even more of a concern since a 1/1 VIper ACR can list way more when you configure it.
Sure would like Dodge to change the VIN assignment for 1/1 ACR's. Yes the BUILD sheet would show the ACR option but most insurance companies and banks use the VIN number to determine value and resale. I am having this very discussion with a bank now. As far as they are concerned it is a GTC for loan purposes. I am not disputing what the build sheet shows but unfortunately it is not the build sheet that controls some of the values used by banks and insurance companies when determining value. They use a VIN decoder just like I pasted above and use that to determine the model, value and rate of depreciation. Not the build sheet.

So as it stands now, if you order a 1/1 ACR you do NOT get an ACR VIN, you get a VIN for a GTC, while an ACR (non 1/1) does get a specific ACR VIN. Again it maybe just me. but if I ordered a 1/1 ACR I want it with the ACR VIN.
Banks, insurance companies, leasing companies, State DMV's all use the VIN number to determine make, model and year not to mention value and depreciation. Getting one of these institutions to use a build sheet if needed at some point is a battle I rather not have.

 

[ViperJeff]

I understand what your saying. still don't think there would be a problem. Think of all those ACR's built that didn't have ACR in the definition (Gen IV). If damaged, you can ask for all OEM and I think a 1 of 1 Viper ACR would in the long run have more value if the buyer likes the package you put together, it will only take 30 years to learn that.


Thank you for the dialog. It will help me in the long run as I work on my DB
Jeff

 

[mjf6175]

And thank you for the help and insight. In the future when Dodge comes out with how many ACR's where built in 2015, 2016 and probably 2017, it will be interesting to see how they brake them out. All ACR's including 1/1;
Just ACR's; Or showing totals for them separately: ACR's / ACR 1/1.

 

[ViperJeff]

My list when(if) done will include a number of break outs, I'm just a little behind schedule, but I'll get there

http://www.vipertruckregistry.com/RegistryIndex.html

So when you look at 2015, you'll see I haven't updated the page recently, not much gets done til after the new year and the silly season is over

 

[broomrider]

So as it stands now, if you order a 1/1 ACR you do NOT get an ACR VIN, you get a VIN for a GTC, while an ACR (non 1/1) does get a specific ACR VIN. Again it maybe just me. but if I ordered a 1/1 ACR I want it with the ACR VIN.

I myself have wondered this as well. For me I have to agree. If I order an ACR I want it to have the appropriate vin. Many cars have been ordered previous years
with odd options, that make them one of one. Not that the GTC program isn't special it is but an ACR is special in its own right.

 

[FrankBarba]

Can you request a build sheet ?

 

[ViperJeff]

The only thing I have access to is the digital version. The actual build sheet can be requested through a dealer (ask Woodhouse). I know there's a time limit. I would be happy to PM you a digital version

 

[Smiley]

The model is generally listed on the title as well....so a 1 of 1 ACR may not be listed as an ACR on the title if this is the case.

 

[shooter_t1]

Well I just learned something too. I plan on ordering an Extreme ACR later this year and now know that I will not be doing the GTC thing. I was originally going to do the GTC route so I could get Race Yellow w/Blk stripes, but now I think I'll go with either Black w/white stripes, or White w/Blk stripes. And since I've already owned a true 1 of 1 bumblebee it just makes the decision easier.

 

[ViperJeff]

White/Black stripes would be my choice