What do you guys think of this brembo kit vs srt10 breaks

[anton28]

What do you guys think of this brembo kit and is anyone running this on their gen2? I ran srt10 brakes front and rear on my old gts and want to do something different this time around. Was thinking of getting this kit and putting my current front calipers on rear.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BREMBO-Fron...Parts_Accessories&hash=item3f12a17bbe&vxp=mtr

 

[VIPER GTSR 91]

Forget the drilled stuff breaks or brakes. All for show. Check with the many vendors here for real brakes specific to your application. Please do not buy your brakes off flea bay. Real brakes= ALCON albeit expensive and for serious track events or racing but for all around average stopping, go with Brembo and slotted quality rotors. You get what you pay for. Pads are just as important for your application.

 

[anton28]

Forget the drilled stuff breaks or brakes. All for show. Check with the many vendors here for real brakes specific to your application. Please do not buy your brakes off flea bay. Real brakes= ALCON albeit expensive and for serious track events or racing but for all around average stopping, go with Brembo and slotted quality rotors. You get what you pay for. Pads are just as important for your application.

This would be more for daily driving and looks. I won't be racing much. Just want to see how the above kit compares to the srt10 front brakes. I just purchased my wilwood 6piston front and 4piston rear kit for my esclade from eBay. Not sure why anyone wouldn't shop on eBay?!?!?

 

[LifeIsGood]

Not sure why anyone wouldn't shop on eBay?!?!?

These comments usually come from site supporters or other business owners that don't have a portal on ebay, therefore they don't want you shopping there.

 

[KNG SNKE]

Night and day difference between the Brembo setups and the SRT swap. I run the SRT swap on my car and I installed front and rear Brembo GT series BBK. That car has phenomenal stopping power!

 

[GTS-R 001]

What do you guys think of this brembo kit and is anyone running this on their gen2? I ran srt10 brakes front and rear on my old gts and want to do something different this time around. Was thinking of getting this kit and putting my current front calipers on rear.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BREMBO-Fron...Parts_Accessories&hash=item3f12a17bbe&vxp=mtr

I would say your main reason for not going with a front only BBK that costs $4200 on Ebay with no support is that you can put a complete SRT10 BBK kit on your car for around $3000 for ALL 4 WHEELS, not just the fronts, (the $3K includes a parking brake as well) the Brembo does not include a park brake. The SRT kit is exactly what is on the Nureburg ACR's that are world record holders, how do you beat that?

Also , pads are more abundant and cheaper for the SRT Kit, Replacement rotors are more abundant etc.

 

[dave6666]

If you're going for the bling-bling / street race combo, why not get the ones that say Viper on them? They stop well too lol. Steve / Vipair can hook you up.

ref: bling pic...

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[KNG SNKE]

The SRT kit is exactly what is on the Nureburg ACR's that are world record holders, how do you beat that?

Easily, with better brakes. A lot of the racing SRT's upgrade their brakes as well. World record holder for a stock car.

If your staying to street use, stay with the SRT swap. Cheaper and much improved over OEM. If you want to race, go brembo or stoptech all around, but your going to pay 3x as much for everything.

 

[Jerome Sparich]

Forget the drilled stuff breaks or brakes.

Unless Brembo changed the way the make rotors, theirs are NOT drilled, but have cast in holes that are later chamferd.

Then again, why would you want Brembos.....not like thy are use on F1 cars or anything

 

[anton28]

Night and day difference between the Brembo setups and the SRT swap. I run the SRT swap on my car and I installed front and rear Brembo GT series BBK. That car has phenomenal stopping power!

That's what i needed to hear!

 

[ViperTony]

Very few Viper owners can take their OEM brakes to the limits especially on the street. The SRT BBK is not bling any means. Seems like a great fit for the OP. If you can swing for the $$$ for a StopTech or Brembo kit then go for it.

 

[anton28]

I would say your main reason for not going with a front only BBK that costs $4200 on Ebay with no support is that you can put a complete SRT10 BBK kit on your car for around $3000 for ALL 4 WHEELS, not just the fronts, (the $3K includes a parking brake as well) the Brembo does not include a park brake. The SRT kit is exactly what is on the Nureburg ACR's that are world record holders, how do you beat that?

Also , pads are more abundant and cheaper for the SRT Kit, Replacement rotors are more abundant etc.

I have an extra set of front gen two calipers that i was going to reuse on the rear. Just have them powder-coated/painted to match the new front Brembo kit and replace the viper logo with brembo. An extra 1g-2g for a set up that i would prefer in the long run is not that big of a price difference. I just wanted to get an opinion from owners who have had both setups on their vipers and get some feedback.

 

[GTS-R 001]

Buying a 6 piston set of fronts is only the first thing you will do if you go that way,

next you need rear brakes that will compliment the fronts

Next you will need a park brake solution,

and then finally you will have to figure out some way to modulate the bias front to back


This is all fine and dandy for the race track where you have people dedicated to maintaining and settting up your brakes but for the strret it is overkill, and if you set it up wrong it is just kill, your self or someone else if you lose control, too much front brake and you have to decide where you want your rear end, and also keep in mind the weak points. At what point are you going to lock up your tires, remember those RACE brakes are made to haul you down when you are running heated up RACE tires, not relatively ambient temp street tires.

At the end of the day, you will spend at least $8K and not be able to stop better on the street than a guy who spent $3K, and if you didn't set yours up perfect, then you will be calling your insurance co asking the agent how to surgically remove your front fascia from the rear end of a Prius.

 

[dave6666]

The SRT BBK is not bling any means.

No, but it is however a selling point, as it does add bling while making the performance upgrade.

 

[anton28]

Buying a 6 piston set of fronts is only the first thing you will do if you go that way,

next you need rear brakes that will compliment the fronts

Next you will need a park brake solution,

and then finally you will have to figure out some way to modulate the bias front to back


This is all fine and dandy for the race track where you have people dedicated to maintaining and settting up your brakes but for the strret it is overkill, and if you set it up wrong it is just kill, your self or someone else if you lose control, too much front brake and you have to decide where you want your rear end, and also keep in mind the weak points. At what point are you going to lock up your tires, remember those RACE brakes are made to haul you down when you are running heated up RACE tires, not relatively ambient temp street tires.

At the end of the day, you will spend at least $8K and not be able to stop better on the street than a guy who spent $3K, and if you didn't set yours up perfect, then you will be calling your insurance co asking the agent how to surgically remove your front fascia from the rear end of a Prius.

I disagree. When I did my SRT10 set up on my last gts i had to get an adjustable proportioning break valve and adjust the power between front and rear brakes accordingly as putting a SRT10 caliper on the back of the gts proved to be overkill. Why wont a factory 4 piston GTS front caliper, put on the rear of the gts, accommodate the front 6 piston Brembo kit? I believe it would accommodate it perfectly. Srt10/GTS 4 piston caliper, which is brembo any way, and a 6piston Brembo caliper are both race applications. Look at the old 55AMG cars all are running front 6 piston brembo calipers and 4 piston rears. Exactly what I am trying to do here. I will go as far as to say the rear caliper on the 55amg cars is the same as the front GTS caliper. This will not cost me 8k. 4200 for the front, i already have the calipers for the rear, $400 for rear brackets and 800-1000 for e-brake. Im coming up with around $5,600. Not sure where your getting 8k from. I'm not opposed to running the SRT10 set up again. My last one performed well. I just love the look over the 6 piston caliper and it will look o so sweet through the HRE 895 wheel. BTW GTSR001 im in nor cal as well. In the walnut creek east bay area!

 

[MTGTS]

The # of pistons isn't the only way you control bias. The diameter of the actual pistons is how to properly move bias around without having to rebuild your braking system. Just slapping some calipers on the rear that were designed for the clamping force on the front isn't the best idea. Sure on the street you will have better stopping power and will stop shorter in most circumstances. If you are on the track or you need to use your brakes at the limit you will have to much clamping force in the rear which is bad and will break the read end of the car loose.

 

[ViperTony]

No, but it is however a selling point, as it does add bling while making the performance upgrade.

Agreed, no issue with bling factor here.

 

[treesnake]

This is........"interesting". I guess opinions change....

http://forums.viperclub.org/threads/570062-PIC-GTS-with-Comp-Coupe-Brakes!!!


BTW..... Those are some badass brakes. They are definitely an upgrade!!!

Also, the holes in the rotors weren't drilled. They are cast and chamfer'd like mentioned above.
They are also full floating rotor hats.


Good Luck with your car Anton...!

You are going to have a hard time outdoing your white, S/C GTS.....
(I remember your car because I got my USEXOTICS hood from Roger also. I was right behind you for delivery.)....

 

[GTS-R 001]

I disagree. When I did my SRT10 set up on my last gts i had to get an adjustable proportioning break valve and adjust the power between front and rear brakes accordingly as putting a SRT10 caliper on the back of the gts proved to be overkill. Why wont a factory 4 piston GTS front caliper, put on the rear of the gts, accommodate the front 6 piston Brembo kit? I believe it would accommodate it perfectly. Srt10/GTS 4 piston caliper, which is brembo any way, and a 6piston Brembo caliper are both race applications. Look at the old 55AMG cars all are running front 6 piston brembo calipers and 4 piston rears. Exactly what I am trying to do here. I will go as far as to say the rear caliper on the 55amg cars is the same as the front GTS caliper. This will not cost me 8k. 4200 for the front, i already have the calipers for the rear, $400 for rear brackets and 800-1000 for e-brake. Im coming up with around $5,600. Not sure where your getting 8k from. I'm not opposed to running the SRT10 set up again. My last one performed well. I just love the look over the 6 piston caliper and it will look o so sweet through the HRE 895 wheel. BTW GTSR001 im in nor cal as well. In the walnut creek east bay area!

Hey Anton,

I remember, I still have your phone # in my cell phone, LOL

The SRT10 Calipers are 44/40 on the fronts and 42/38 in the rears, and then Dodge used the ABS to modulate from there, on non ABS cars like you had , yes you need a brake bias control valve just to fine tune, I guess my main point is that the 6 piston front is BIG and the Gen 2 front is pretty small, in comparison. I'm sure you can make it work but you may have a hard time finding that perfect balance. With the fronts and the rears more perfectly matched you will have a bigger window of error or forgiveness so to speak vs the big 6 piston and then a small 4 out back.

My initial comments were assuming you would be going with a matching set of rears vs the stockers out back.

 

[anton28]

This is........"interesting". I guess opinions change....

http://forums.viperclub.org/threads/570062-PIC-GTS-with-Comp-Coupe-Brakes!!!


BTW..... Those are some badass brakes. They are definitely an upgrade!!!

Also, the holes in the rotors weren't drilled. They are cast and chamfer'd like mentioned above.
They are also full floating rotor hats.


Good Luck with your car Anton...!

You are going to have a hard time outdoing your white, S/C GTS.....
(I remember your car because I got my USEXOTICS hood from Roger also. I was right behind you for delivery.)....

Ah yes that hood was bad ass wasn't it!?!? Yeah my white car was definetly a great build. I'm have big plans for this new one. It will definetly give the white one a run for its money! Very excited to be back in a viper and on the board!

 

[anton28]

Hey Anton,

I remember, I still have your phone # in my cell phone, LOL

The SRT10 Calipers are 44/40 on the fronts and 42/38 in the rears, and then Dodge used the ABS to modulate from there, on non ABS cars like you had , yes you need a brake bias control valve just to fine tune, I guess my main point is that the 6 piston front is BIG and the Gen 2 front is pretty small, in comparison. I'm sure you can make it work but you may have a hard time finding that perfect balance. With the fronts and the rears more perfectly matched you will have a bigger window of error or forgiveness so to speak vs the big 6 piston and then a small 4 out back.

My initial comments were assuming you would be going with a matching set of rears vs the stockers out back.

What I'm failing to understand is why you think when running 6piston upfront, 4 in rear would be inadequate? All exotic, italian and German cars run this combination. Even look at the z06 and zr1 vetts. I'm running a 6/4 set up on my escalade now. Brembo and bear will sell you a 6/4 set up for any car. Most of the brembo rear kits use the same calipers as we have on the front of our gts. Am I missing something here?

Funny you got me in your phone still! Good to be back on the forum!!!

 

[KNG SNKE]

What I'm failing to understand is why you think when running 6piston upfront, 4 in rear would be inadequate? All exotic, italian and German cars run this combination. Even look at the z06 and zr1 vetts. I'm running a 6/4 set up on my escalade now. Brembo and bear will sell you a 6/4 set up for any car. Most of the brembo rear kits use the same calipers as we have on the front of our gts. Am I missing something here?

Funny you got me in your phone still! Good to be back on the forum!!!

Most of the high end systems they sell for the car are 6 front, 4 rear. The Brembo GT setup I installed was 4/4 but man it had some braking power. I like my SRT setup but those hands down outdid mine plus the free floating rotors were an awesome upgrade.

 

[AZTVR]

What I'm failing to understand is why you think when running 6piston upfront, 4 in rear would be inadequate? All exotic, italian and German cars run this combination. Even look at the z06 and zr1 vetts. I'm running a 6/4 set up on my escalade now. Brembo and bear will sell you a 6/4 set up for any car. Most of the brembo rear kits use the same calipers as we have on the front of our gts. Am I missing something here?!

I think that the point that is trying to be made is that the number of pistons is not specifically relevant other than how it can distribute the clamping forces over a longer/larger pad. The total area of the pistons is what determines the clamping force, plus other factors. Of course, the main way that they get more surface area is by playing with number and diameter of pistons. Brakes are a pretty important part of the safety of a car. I, personally, do not have the knowledge or testing capability to put together an aftermarket system. If you find a system that has a proven track record, or if you have the expertise to engineer your own system, then go for it. Just be careful when putting together an unproven combination. ( and, obviously, that is why you are asking questions here. )

 

[dave6666]

Sure on the street you will have better stopping power and will stop shorter in most circumstances. If you are on the track or you need to use your brakes at the limit you will have to much clamping force in the rear which is bad and will break the read end of the car loose.

Got to agree with that. On my '01 ABS car with the 14" SRT brakes all corners, yes, during performance street driving the stopping is incredible compared to the OE system. But under extreme braking i.e. emergency braking i.e. pushing it to the limits on the track, I will kick in the ABS as it tries to find balance. Some of that is probably my F/R stagger on my 20/19 PS2 bling setup, but if I wanted to make the brakes "perfect," I would need to do something. No idea what, just pointing it out. Might be as simple as pads though. I'm running reds. Low dust, low grab lol.

 

[GTS-R 001]

What I'm failing to understand is why you think when running 6piston upfront, 4 in rear would be inadequate? All exotic, italian and German cars run this combination. Even look at the z06 and zr1 vetts. I'm running a 6/4 set up on my escalade now. Brembo and bear will sell you a 6/4 set up for any car. Most of the brembo rear kits use the same calipers as we have on the front of our gts. Am I missing something here?

Funny you got me in your phone still! Good to be back on the forum!!!

Anton,

I tried calling, you with that number but unless you changed your name to Leslie, it's no longer yours, LOL

AZTVR said it best, # of pistons is just one small component of a balanced brake system, Piston diameter (or area actually) and size of pad and swept area of rotor form the pad, composition of the rotor and pads etc are all factors. I like the SRT system best because at least a lot of these items have been engineered already and you just pick your rotor and pad. As far as I am concerned, an SRT package with some nice Rotors like Dave has,, looks awesome, yes the 6 pistons look big and great, and you can get them to out brake a stock SRT caliper on the track where the tires are sticky enough to not lock up, but on the street they will easily overpower your rear brakes and the tires in my opinion.

PS I have a great deal on rotors (like dave's) Girodisk coming up....

 

[anton28]

Anton,

I tried calling, you with that number but unless you changed your name to Leslie, it's no longer yours, LOL

AZTVR said it best, # of pistons is just one small component of a balanced brake system, Piston diameter (or area actually) and size of pad and swept area of rotor form the pad, composition of the rotor and pads etc are all factors. I like the SRT system best because at least a lot of these items have been engineered already and you just pick your rotor and pad. As far as I am concerned, an SRT package with some nice Rotors like Dave has,, looks awesome, yes the 6 pistons look big and great, and you can get them to out brake a stock SRT caliper on the track where the tires are sticky enough to not lock up, but on the street they will easily overpower your rear brakes and the tires in my opinion.

PS I have a great deal on rotors (like dave's) Girodisk coming up....

My number did change from a few years back. I will shoot you a PM.

 

[anton28]

Thanks for all the input guys. A lot of helpful information. I will be giving Brembo a call to see what type of size rear caliper(piston size) and rotor size they would recommended to match up with their front 6 piston BBK. I'm 99% sure that either the GTS or the SRT10 caliper will fit that description like a glove. If if for some reason i find out otherwise, well then i can sleep at night with my SRT10 BBK and will be calling GTSR001 to place the order! I will follow up with my findings.

 

[Dan Cragin]

When it comes to brakes the balance is critical and the Viper is very sensitive to front rear bias, more so if you change springs or add Aero. The Brembo stuff is top notch, but I would only run the 4 wheel kit on a Gen 2 as the 2 wheel kit is just to front biased. If you just want looks and want to save a lot of expense, the Stoptech 2 or 4 wheel kits work great and are very balanced. For ultimate braking or track use the Brembo product is better.

 

[anton28]

When it comes to brakes the balance is critical and the Viper is very sensitive to front rear bias, more so if you change springs or add Aero. The Brembo stuff is top notch, but I would only run the 4 wheel kit on a Gen 2 as the 2 wheel kit is just to front biased. If you just want looks and want to save a lot of expense, the Stoptech 2 or 4 wheel kits work great and are very balanced. For ultimate braking or track use the Brembo product is better.

I'm definitely going to be running a 4 wheel kit. It just doesn't make sense to pay for a brembo 4 wheel kit as the SRT and GTS both use Brembo 4 piston calipers which I can mate in the rear of my GTS and save a coupe of grand doing it. So 6piston brembo upfront, 4 piston brembo/GTS or SRT10 caliper in the rear.

 

[MTGTS]

I'm definitely going to be running a 4 wheel kit. It just doesn't make sense to pay for a brembo 4 wheel kit as the SRT and GTS both use Brembo 4 piston calipers which I can mate in the rear of my GTS and save a coupe of grand doing it. So 6piston brembo upfront, 4 piston brembo/GTS or SRT10 caliper in the rear.

Please put a caliper that was designed for the rear of the car back there. It will help with controlling bias. The rest you can do with pad choice