What if DCX sized down the body of the 08 like the C6?

[Andrew/USPWR]

Who here would have a problem if Dodge made the dimensions of the new 2008 Viper the same size as the C6 Vette?

One thing I love about the Vipers are that they're a full size sports car. I think the C6 looks good, and the size is probably great on the track, but to me it’s small.

If DCX made a Viper that small I think I would have a problem with it.

 

[Warfang]

While I wouldn't care to own an MR2-sized sportscar, a couple inches pared down wouldn't make too much of a difference with me, as long as they keep the look aggressive. I wouldn't mind seeing the Viper a couple inches wider either.

 

[zorroespanol]

Who here would have a problem if Dodge made the dimensions of the new 2008 Viper the same size as the C6 Vette?

One thing I love about the Vipers are that they're a full size sports car. I think the C6 looks good, and the size is probably great on the track, but to me it’s small.

If DCX made a Viper that small I think I would have a problem with it.

The Vette's interior is roomier than the Viper's or at least it feels that way...

Our engine is about a foot longer, so to make it smaller would be hard. But I wouldn't mind at all, especially if it meant weight reduction!!

 

[03gobluecobra]

I'd be all for dropping a couple inches as well. This car could use some weight reduction. But don't go too small with the current body. It might look too much like an S2000.

 

[Austin]

IMO, this is where GM messed up. They went and made the Vette taller, shorter and scaled the width down. I liked how the C5 was wide and low stanced. Dont get me wrong, the new C6 looks good, but I really think some of the C5 dimensions should have been carried over to the C6.

One of the best features about the Viper IMO, is that its low and wide. Its like asking if a Murcielago would look good shortened, smaller in width and taller. The answer is HELL NO.

 

[evomind]

shorter is better for track duty. shorter probably saves weight.
the viper is huge and that size works against it in every aspect of performance driving.
so yes.....i for one would love to see a shorter viper.

 

[Andrew/USPWR]

IMO, this is where GM messed up. They went and made the Vette taller, shorter and scaled the width down. I liked how the C5 was wide and low stanced. Dont get me wrong, the new C6 looks good, but I really think some of the C5 dimensions should have been carried over to the C6.

One of the best features about the Viper IMO, is that its low and wide. Its like asking if a Murcielago would look good shortened, smaller in width and taller. The answer is HELL NO.

That's what I'M talke'in bout.

A diet would be great, but I love that low squat look of the Vipers. Ferrari aren't sizing down, lets follow them not GM.

 

[Andrew/USPWR]

shorter is better for track duty. shorter probably saves weight.
the viper is huge and that size works against it in every aspect of performance driving.
so yes.....i for one would love to see a shorter viper.

I agree but to what extent do you go. Super charge a Miata?

 

[SSR9999]

Who here would have a problem if Dodge made the dimensions of the new 2008 Viper the same size as the C6 Vette?

One thing I love about the Vipers are that they're a full size sports car. I think the C6 looks good, and the size is probably great on the track, but to me it’s small.

If DCX made a Viper that small I think I would have a problem with it.

Isn't the Viper (Gen 3) length 175.6 compare to the C6 (regular) 174.6, essentially similar in size? I think the width advantage for the Viper is approx an inch (if that) compare to the "base" C6. So essentially, they're quite similar in dimensions. For some reason though, in pictures, both versions of the SRT often look bigger than they are (to me).

 

[ulllose]

I don't think it would be a bad thing........ The wider the better though.
If i remember correctly the c6-zo6 is 75.9" wide.
I think thats wider than the SRT by .5"
Slam any car and they look wider

 

[bigerc]

shorter is better for track duty. shorter probably saves weight.
the viper is huge and that size works against it in every aspect of performance driving.
so yes.....i for one would love to see a shorter viper.

I agree but to what extent do you go. Super charge a Miata?

exactly what I was thinking. To what extent??

 

[madman]

If you ever saw Viper sitting next to 911 from the elevation like I did you'd be surprised to find out that Viper is smaler then 911. It's wider but smaller (911 is 176.26 in length and definitely taller.

For the engine this big the size is OK. The weight is what matters. Let it go on diet!

 

[Parisianviper]

Here's a stolen picture of the 08 SRT:

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[evomind]

shorter is better for track duty. shorter probably saves weight.
the viper is huge and that size works against it in every aspect of performance driving.
so yes.....i for one would love to see a shorter viper.

I agree but to what extent do you go. Super charge a Miata?

exactly what I was thinking. To what extent??

how about down to whatever size it takes to get this car down to 2900lbs?
the viper is big now and yet the interior feels small for a car its size.
you want a raw supercar dont you? well then it must get smaller and lighter.
remember, adding horsepower makes you faster in a straightline, reducing weight makes you faster everywhere.
(not that i think they can take the current chassis and bring it to 2900lbs in a street version, but im just sayin..)

 

[Andrew/USPWR]

shorter is better for track duty. shorter probably saves weight.
the viper is huge and that size works against it in every aspect of performance driving.
so yes.....i for one would love to see a shorter viper.

I agree but to what extent do you go. Super charge a Miata?

exactly what I was thinking. To what extent??

how about down to whatever size it takes to get this car down to 2900lbs?
the viper is big now and yet the interior feels small for a car its size.
you want a raw supercar dont you? well then it must get smaller and lighter.
remember, adding horsepower makes you faster in a straightline, reducing weight makes you faster everywhere.
(not that i think they can take the current chassis and bring it to 2900lbs in a street version, but im just sayin..)

They should make an ACR 2900lbs, but I'll take the weight of a radio and a/c unit in my Viper

Bragging rights are great but I enjoy the fact that the Vipers are unique low production, hand built American muscle cars.

 

[Andrew/USPWR]

Here's a stolen picture of the 08 SRT:

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That would make a great kids toy for Christmas. Put a little electric engine in it.

Or a big electric engine

 

[Alexarz]

Keep in mind that a Z06's light weight is one of the key reasons why it falls apart, from the roofs to the drivetrain. It is easy to take 100 pounds off a Viper with 2 piece rotors and an Atro Racing exhaust system.

 

[Racer Robbie]

When I went shopping for a new sports car the first requirement I had was that it had to be full size. I was tired of tring to cram my old fart body into all the small sports cars out there like the Miata, BMW, Lotus. The first time I sat in a friends Viper I knew it was the one for me. For the first time I could put the seat back and strech my legs out which I can not do in a Vette. The second requirement was a car I could drive anywhere, anytime, and in any weather except snow. Of course I looked at the Ford GT and the Austin Martins but when it came down to value and the best bang for the buck the Viper could not be beat. Also the viper had the best warranty.

 

[Asp Man]

If DC would go back to the original formula they had with the first gen R/T 10 then weight would not be an issue, sales would though, as we all come to expect power windows, A/C, good stereos etc on these cars. I'll bet there are very few GenIII owners who'd be willing to sacrifice the current comforts an SRT offers for a stripped down all out 'vette basher (not that we should have to, but it would be a simple, easily achieved solution).
But I'd do it. Would you?

 

[FE 065]

Something along these lines would work... A little roof chop, some sectioning, larger roof and hood scoops

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I'd prefer more engineering under the hood, to include a high tech exhaust that's seen some effort.

 

[Andrew/USPWR]

If DC would go back to the original formula they had with the first gen R/T 10 then weight would not be an issue, sales would though, as we all come to expect power windows, A/C, good stereos etc on these cars. I'll bet there are very few GenIII owners who'd be willing to sacrifice the current comforts an SRT offers for a stripped down all out 'vette basher (not that we should have to, but it would be a simple, easily achieved solution).
But I'd do it. Would you?

I could'nt make it with an ACR/GTS with no A/C. I'd have gone with the optional A/C and radio.

But I think a striped down Gen III ACR would make eveyone here happy.



........well not everyone

 

[SweetRed04]

Who here would have a problem if Dodge made the dimensions of the new 2008 Viper the same size as the C6 Vette?

One thing I love about the Vipers are that they're a full size sports car. I think the C6 looks good, and the size is probably great on the track, but to me it’s small.

If DCX made a Viper that small I think I would have a problem with it.

Isn't the Viper (Gen 3) length 175.6 compare to the C6 (regular) 174.6, essentially similar in size? I think the width advantage for the Viper is approx an inch (if that) compare to the "base" C6. So essentially, they're quite similar in dimensions. For some reason though, in pictures, both versions of the SRT often look bigger than they are (to me).

EXACTLY!!!

Someone noted that a SRT-10 is shorter than a 911.

It takes space to house a axial (normal, not transverse) V-10. Lighter is better, but remember that a 427 C6 in a chassis stiff enough for a convertible with Z06 Brakes would weigh MORE than the CURRENT Viper (based on GM's weight savings claims).

 

[Scott_in_FL]

but remember that a 427 C6 in a chassis stiff enough for a convertible with Z06 Brakes would weigh MORE than the CURRENT Viper (based on GM's weight savings claims).

If true, that is a very fascinating point.

 

[evomind]

Keep in mind that a Z06's light weight is one of the key reasons why it falls apart, from the roofs to the drivetrain. It is easy to take 100 pounds off a Viper with 2 piece rotors and an Atro Racing exhaust system.

lightweight is not why they fall apart. first year production on early models is why the roofs fly off, and not sure what you are talking abt with drivetrain issues. whatever problems have been fixed.

its not 2003 anymore. the competition has become stronger.

 

[evomind]

If DC would go back to the original formula they had with the first gen R/T 10 then weight would not be an issue, sales would though, as we all come to expect power windows, A/C, good stereos etc on these cars. I'll bet there are very few GenIII owners who'd be willing to sacrifice the current comforts an SRT offers for a stripped down all out 'vette basher (not that we should have to, but it would be a simple, easily achieved solution).
But I'd do it. Would you?

you shouldnt have to settle for a 100k sportscar without a/c and power windows.
when the gen 4 comes out i hope the engineers do their jobs well by implementing light weight exotic materials making the car a little smaller while keeping the passenger compartment comfortable. i believe they will do that.
i hear a lot of folks that want the viper to be king of the hill again. if so, the car has to drop some lbs. thats up to engineers to figure out how to do it.
its up to us to figure out how to pay for the car once they do...

 

[ulllose]

evomind-

Z06 half-shafts are breaking under hard shifting mainly 1-2 shift.
To me the car is still bad-ass. As soon as i figure out how to justify another 2 seater sports car there will be one in my garage.

 

[FE 065]

Weight savings alone won't do it. There's gotta be some HP upgrade.

 

[Photog1]

Here's a stolen picture of the 08 SRT:

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Is that a French VIPARE' for those narrow streets and parking spaces ? LOL!! ROFLMAO!!

 

[Y2K5SRT]

So what if the Viper saved weight by going to an all-aluminum V8? Assuming that same V8 could pump out the horsepower in equal terms to the V10 (500+), would you trade the cylinder count for increased performance? Personally I love the V10 myself, but if the Viper could reclaim the King of the Hill status with a lighter engine, body parts, etc. then I would take it. Of course others just want bragging rights on the engine size and not performance. This 10-cylinder is for you...

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[Viperfreak2]

I have to admit that the Saturn Sky looks pretty good on the street for a 'smaller' car. It doesn't have that 'toy' look like a Miata. It's the width.

Drop 200 lbs in the Viper and it will beat a Z06 all day long. Drop the weight and add 100 (or more) horses and it's unquestionably King of the Hill again. I think this is what we'll see for the 2008. I like the bigger size of the Viper, I don't want it confused with the Z4, SLK, Boxter, Cayman sized catagory. I think the Viper is SL, Vette, F430 sized, where it should be.