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Funny you should mention the Enzo - I asked the engineers if we really could say "world's fastest street-legal track car" and they said they were confident the ACR could beat anything that was street-legal on a road course today - Enzo, etc. Pretty cool!An Enzo is faster than a CC but so what. The CC is still a purpose built race car and for that it deserves big thumbs and big thumbs to Dodge for building it. It no doubt was the proving ground for what the ACR is.
In talking to a Pro Viper driver, who will remain nameless ( just cuz I don't wantzz to cause them a buncha flack ), the 2008 Viper was virtually able to keep up with a Comp Coupe at the undisclosed , Area 51 ( winning number for the Viper at Lemans ) race track.
Oh, yeh, I forgot , that Snake was just the regular , normal, wimpy , 600 hp Viper----makes you wonder what an aerodynamic , lighter weight, shock and suspension modified , ACR dressed SRT10 might do , when called to dinner?!
Guys, the 1.5G number is great, but it's fantasyland. There's no way in hell the ACR is going to pull that number on a regular magazine-style skidpad test, which is the venue we normally associate these G figures with. That number (1.5) is probably a sort of theoretical (or possibly measured) value of the car in a high-speed corner where the downforce has come into play.
A lighter car on slicks (Comp Coupe) is going to be faster around a low-speed corner than a heavier car on non-slick DOT tires (ACR) - period. Aero comes in to play at higher speeds but the CC has aero too.
This speaks only to the handling side of things, it's possible the greater hp of the ACR could put it ahead of the CC in some situations, like a drag race.
1.25G and 520 hp on the track-only CC for $125K.
again just my guessing that '08 CC's will have the same 600hp as the new SRT?
I might believe 1.2 but would be extremely skeptical of 1.3 or higher. This is coming from someone who owns an SRT-10, has driven on real slicks, Michelin Sport Cups, runs proper data acquisition equipment, and has spent plenty of time on the skidpad, including the one most of the magazines use. If any magazine is able to record a sustained 1.5g average (instantaneous peak numbers are meaningless) in an ACR on Sport Cups around a standard 100' skidpad, I will eat my hat.Time out. You sound in denial.
Let's think about this. If 1.5gs is exaggerated, what the real number that you would believe? 1.4gs? 1.3gs? 1.2gs? ... all sub-par? I believe the 1.5 number. You overlook that the ACR (and all '08s) also have a new rear diff. And then there's obviously the ACR's new coil-over suspension, sway-bar, tires, etc.
I'd also bet that the aero on the two cars is about equal. Little or no advantage to the CC.
The '08 ACR weighs more, but packs a higher-reving +90HP engine, with a better transmission gearbox.
High speed banking and long straights = slight advantage ACR (my guess).
Slower curves, twisties, short straights = close, we'll have to see them together on the same track to know for sure
This is no knock on the CC ... the ACR has the advantage of being developed years later.
I was being gracious to the now outdated CC by listing it's initial price at announcement.Where can you purchase a new Comp Coupe for 125K? Last i checked the VRL (spec) CC was near 139K....Please put me on the list for a CC @ 125K
You do make a good point. 1.5G is raising the bar dramtically and is only a claim at this point. I hope the magazines prove it to be correct. Even if they come in at a measly 1.25G, I will be sold on it. At 1.5G, I will buy it in a heartbeat and wait for all the other car companies to catch up over the next 10 years.I might believe 1.2 but would be extremely skeptical of 1.3 or higher. This is coming from someone who owns an SRT-10, has driven on real slicks, Michelin Sport Cups, runs proper data acquisition equipment, and has spent plenty of time on the skidpad, including the one most of the magazines use. If any magazine is able to record a sustained 1.5g average (instantaneous peak numbers are meaningless) in an ACR on Sport Cups around a standard 100' skidpad, I will eat my hat.
I think the ACR is fantastic though, don't get me wrong. Right off the showroom floor, it looks as though it'd be on par with PMUM's ACR street car that won the USCC a few years back. If I could swing it I'd trade up in a second. My point is that people here are failing to see what a quantum leap that 1.5 number would be if true. No combination of suspension and diff is going to get a 3300lb car to that number (again, using a standard skidpad) on Michelin Pilot Sport Cups. When the mag tests come in with numbers like 1.22, don't blame their drivers...
again just my guessing that '08 CC's will have the same 600hp as the new SRT? If this is true and all other things being equal the the weight advantage alone will swing the numbers towards the CC.
No reason for Dodge to put the 600HP in a CC as it would have no class (Pro, amatuer, or even VRL) to run in.
Nope, neither one without a full roll cage, harnesses, etc. NASA- HPDE or TT only.Why couldn't it run in SCCA - GT1? It would also be approved for NASA...
I doubt the 1.5g figure too, although the new Pilot Sport Cups will no doubt be the stickiest tire in the mags. As for PMUM's ACR, I looked at that car, and it was more like 850 HP according to the guy who was selling it....on par with PMUM's ACR street car that won the USCC a few years back. When the mag tests come in with numbers like 1.22, don't blame their drivers...
I asked this question a while ago, and I was told that the CC would NOT be getting the 8.4L (600HP) engine. ... Maybe things could change by 2009, I don't really know.
I have asked elsewhere on the board as to where (which series) the ACR could soon be eligible for racing.
So for now, maybe the big distinction between the CC and ACR is that the CC is for Pro Racing, and the ACR is a club/track-day car.
(on the otherhand, maybe that's why Dodge seems to have been in a hurry to introduce the ACR for 2008?)