agentf1
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If anybody on here has them could you send me all of the 2001 Sapphire GTS's so Im can add them to my list.
Who is tracking vins of wrecked Vipers?
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99 R/T 10
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Bonkers was for a while. I don't think anybody is at the moment,
eucharistos
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took me awhile, but good one 
V10SpeedLuvr
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C_O_D_Y (I think thats how he "spelled" his username) used too. Haven't seen him post in a while, but he may still be tracking totalled/wrecked VIN's
It depends on what you call a "wrecked" Viper.
The best is to have the Viper inspected before you buy it.
It will give you a good indication if the Viper has a structural issue.
The first source to check VIN should be Carfax even thought Jon doesn't agree.
That covers most of the "wrecked" Vipers thought not all of them are listed.
For instance a guy who jumps over the side walk in a parking lot because he presses the gas pedal , instead of the brakes, will not be listed on Carfax. Eventhough we will spend $10000 on fixing his Viper.
We have two guys in the club who bought 4 Vipers and built 2 of them.
If you do an inspection on the Vipers it is difficult to tell if they were wrecked.
The only way to see that they were repainted is to check the paint thickness.
Then you have the Vipers that had minor accidents and were repaired. Those are not listed anywhere. If the repair work was done properly the Viper should run perfectly.
The best is to buy your Viper from a knowledgable personne who has good references.
References are very important in the Viper business ...
The best is to have the Viper inspected before you buy it.
It will give you a good indication if the Viper has a structural issue.
The first source to check VIN should be Carfax even thought Jon doesn't agree.
That covers most of the "wrecked" Vipers thought not all of them are listed.
For instance a guy who jumps over the side walk in a parking lot because he presses the gas pedal , instead of the brakes, will not be listed on Carfax. Eventhough we will spend $10000 on fixing his Viper.
We have two guys in the club who bought 4 Vipers and built 2 of them.
If you do an inspection on the Vipers it is difficult to tell if they were wrecked.
The only way to see that they were repainted is to check the paint thickness.
Then you have the Vipers that had minor accidents and were repaired. Those are not listed anywhere. If the repair work was done properly the Viper should run perfectly.
The best is to buy your Viper from a knowledgable personne who has good references.
References are very important in the Viper business ...
GTSnake
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I just wonder what percentage is actually still on the road. That would make our cars even more rare.
97GTS
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I wondered that as well. I would conservatively guess that over 50% of the GTSs have met their maker (or 99RT10!)
Ron
Ron
sdaddy
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I want to see the Vipers driven in the rain list. Every e-Bay listing seems to begin with clean Carfax, never driven in the rain. I am sure that must be true. We just did a VCA Meeting cruise from Daytona to Saint Augustine in a thunderstorm. A few folks needed the bilge pump mod.
V10SpeedLuvr
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I want to see the Vipers driven in the rain list. Every e-Bay listing seems to begin with clean Carfax, never driven in the rain. I am sure that must be true. We just did a VCA Meeting cruise from Daytona to Saint Augustine in a thunderstorm. A few folks needed the bilge pump mod.
Mine has never been in rain. 86k and never seen a drop of rain. I don't even use water when I was it, so technically its never seen ANY type of water. I did have an empty Dasani water bottle in the trunk one time. Thats as close as it'll ever come to seeing any H2O.
Seriously. No really, I promise. Honest. Scout's honor!
mad0953
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Cody is the Pres. of the Oregon Viper Club. You can go to the Oregon forum and post your question there.
Here are some facts: IF that faxing biz does have info/news about a wreck, the info is good. But Now, the tricky part: NO NEWS = NO NEWS.
We have bought many dozens of totalled, ORGAN DONOR Vipers. That Fax company SHOWS NOTHING on MANY of them...not a few, MANY. That fax company even offres to sell you a buy-back-guarantee. If I were unscrupulous, I could set up a veritable ring of buy-back 'guaranteed' wrecked Vipers "invisible" to that fax company. We have shops on a wait-list asking for 'clean title rebuilders.' ...we prefer to dismantle for PARTS.
NEWS = NEWS. But a clean report means NOTHING.
NO-NEWS = NO NEWS..........
Fatboy 18
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Well this one reared its head over here in the UK, I almost bought it, then thank god a Viper member did a Car Fax search and found out that the car had been issued with a Cert of Destruction in Opallocker Florida 
I had allready given the dealer the bank cheques and he was waiting for them to clear! I managed to stop them just in time, it then took another 3 months to get my deposit back with the help of the credit card company
The dealer then had a hard time selling the car on as word went round in the UK. When I spoke to the motor vechicle dept in Florida they told me that if the car was to reappear in Florida they would crush the car
So heres one to look out for Black/silver 1999 GTS coniac interior VIN No 1B3ER69E3XV503422
I had allready given the dealer the bank cheques and he was waiting for them to clear! I managed to stop them just in time, it then took another 3 months to get my deposit back with the help of the credit card company The dealer then had a hard time selling the car on as word went round in the UK. When I spoke to the motor vechicle dept in Florida they told me that if the car was to reappear in Florida they would crush the car
So heres one to look out for Black/silver 1999 GTS coniac interior VIN No 1B3ER69E3XV503422
97GTS
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As a car dealer in Florida I can say that a LOT of cars with COD (certificate of destruction) titles are bought and shipped overseas. Flood cars and high end cars are the most notorious. If a car is on the road here and is found to have a COD title it is confiscated and who knows where it goes then.
Ron
Ron
Fatboy 18
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Dont get me wrong I have nothing against a wrecked Viper as long as its been repaired and done correctly and the person or Dealer selling it tells you, and thats reflected in the price. However there are some people out there who are just out to make a buck, and dont give a rats **** about how safe the car is
It would be fantastic if through the power of the Internet we could keep a History of all wrecked Vipers.
If any of you US guys know of any so called cars comming over to the UK we would love to know
It would be fantastic if through the power of the Internet we could keep a History of all wrecked Vipers.
If any of you US guys know of any so called cars comming over to the UK we would love to know
chimazo
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A registry is a lot of work, but it's a great way to have VIN/history/ownership info in an organized manner. I know the SAAC (Shelby Cobras, Mustangs, GT40's, and a few other models) has long had a thorough printed worldwide registry that keeps track of almost all the cars known. In their instance, though, the concern isn't so much wrecks as it is counterfeits. It could still work for Vipers, but would take a superhuman effort to complete, as there are over 250000 VIN's to track down.
chimazo
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They just track the ones worth serious $$ (see list below), as they would be the only ones potentially counterfeited. Also, sometimes a car was wrecked, and the frame goes one place, the engine/tranny another, so this helps keep track of these things so that a bidder/buyer could be aware that maybe another Cobra (for instance) happens to have the same VIN, which would obviously diminish potential resale value. With any collector car, the history and ownership trail is almost as important as the condition.
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big-n-italian
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bonkers was keeping track of VINs and wrecked vipers, but if i remember right, he caught alot of grief over doing it and stopped.
I can attest to this post. I have been viper shopping for a project car lately. I ran the fax on one car I looked at and it said it was clean, the seller said it was in a previous accident though. With help from this board (Chuck Tator thanks!)running the vin for me, we were able to figure out that JonB was the last owner of the car. When I called Jon to ask him about it, sure enough he remembered the car and knew about the accident it was it. JonB gave me some great information about the car that I would never have been able to tell from the Fax. He sold the car for parts and now fax is offering a buy back guarantee on it being clean!
Matt
Fatboy 18
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Well at least Cfax are offering some sort of buy back scheme I know there information is not fullproof but at least in the above case you could get your monies back!
This is why though, It would be a great idea to keep some kind of history
I dont care how mainy noses I put out of joint, if I know or find out about any wrecked Viper which is being sold on as clean, whoever is selling it is in for a rough ride
I know there information is not fullproof but at least in the above case you could get your monies back! This is why though, It would be a great idea to keep some kind of history
I dont care how mainy noses I put out of joint, if I know or find out about any wrecked Viper which is being sold on as clean, whoever is selling it is in for a rough ride
agentf1
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Well at least Cfax are offering some sort of buy back scheme
This is why though, It would be a great idea to keep some kind of history
I dont care how mainy noses I put out of joint, if I know or find out about any wrecked Viper which is being sold on as clean, whoever is selling it is in for a rough ride
Thats how it should be. We need to watch each others backs.emphasis added to quote......
Exactly my point, thanks Matt. That 'fax' service is NOT a guarantee, (even though they will SELL you one!) You still have to be dilligent, especially in FL and KY and certain other States where 'questionable' Vipers emerge. Matt, you have NEVER been our customer, but we would NEVER misrepresent any Viper we ever handled.... GOOD LUCK in your search.
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