Whose SSG ACR wrecked in Ohio today?
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01sapphirebob
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Hope they are ok.
johniew398
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Doesn't look too bad.
99 R/T 10
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It does look that bad. Caught the splitter. Little Zaino, good to go. At least the guy/gal is out on the track where it should be. 
- I wasn't in Ohio
- I didn't take the pics
- They are all over facebook
- Racing & crashing at a race track does not mean privacy
- I hope the owner can get it repaired soon and without issue
TrackAire
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That SSG no stripe car looks incredible. Hope nobody got hurt and it's a quick and easy repair.
George
George
VYPR BYT 94
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splitter and canards are toast... who knows how the rear is after rolling up on the tires.
could've been much worse.
could've been much worse.
BlackSnake99
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My bet is that the suspension isn't exactly aligned any longer. Look at the left rear. Something surely got bent/broken.
NI-KA
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Perhaps at Nelson Ledges but I haven't been there in awhile.
From there Web-site: Legendary Marques at the Ledges
Saturday, September 07, 2013
From there Web-site: Legendary Marques at the Ledges
Saturday, September 07, 2013
Elohim1
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Where in Ohio is that track ?
hou99gts
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Not mine.......
rw99
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Looks miraculously OK, considering where it ended up. If all those panels are intact/uncracked...
TheOldViperMan
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LOL- Are you kidding. Privacy? In a Viper? Really? Seriously?
Sorry, that just ain't gonna happen. Anywhere. Anytime. Enjoy it, or get yourself a Corvette - LOL
BillyC
denniskgb
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Racing = accidents. Hope he had optional insurance, cause his insurance would probably tell him to "pound sand". Lucky though that no one got hurt
ViperSmith
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Looks like it could have been a whole lot worse.
No I am not kidding.
Yeh, a Viper gets a lot of attention, sure. But if you were that Viper owner, I would THINK you would prefer a little bit of privacy about your accident and post the pics yourself when you are ready.
This owner is probably having to deal with their insurance company right now and posting pics isn't the best thing.
Martin
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Insurance companies don't treat track accidents too lightly, either.... Hopefully the owner has track day insurance 
Anyone who publicly tracks their car has no reasonable expectation of privacy. There are always onlookers with camera and video capable cell phones, etc. around to capture the moment. As for the insurance compaany, I would hope that no one here is suggesting that the source of the damage be falsified or concealed thereby committing insurance fraud.
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oh boy, more lawyer talk again. the only people that win when they go to court is the lawyer and the judge. they always get payed no matter of the out come. as for the guy in the viper, i hope everything works out for him.
Martin
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I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth - but I think Bob was just putting some sound advice out there in a way that people can choose to listen, or choose not to. I know more than a few people who have wrecked their cars at track days. I know of more than one who had their car moved to another site to claim that the accident happened on the road. I know of one who got his ass handed to him by the insurance company when they found out that the car crashed on the track and a fraudulent claim was filed... Much cheaper to buy the track insurance, or just **** it up and pay out of pocket to fix a track-crashed car. Getting an insurance company on his case and having to defend himself against them took all of this guy's time for about six months, and not only did he have to pay a lawyer to help him out, he had to pay out of pocket to fix his car. Definitely falls into the "life's too short" category.
AZTVR
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Well, I suspect that there isn't a single person who is out there tracking their car who hasn't driven a little past their limit and ended up going backwards/sideways very fast. This is why I love the tracks in my part of the country. Much less chance of an expensive mistake.
Bingo. Thank you Martin. That is exactly what I intended to do. I love people who use terms like "lawyer talk" in an adverse way. I have had quite a few who have had that attitude end up sitting in front of me over the years after disregarding someone else's "lawyer talk" and, as a result, having their life turn into a pile of excrement as a result of same. Sometimes I can help them out of the problem they have created. Sometimes, they have messed things up so badly, there is nothing that can be done other than listen.
timcantwell
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Re: Whose SSG ACR wrecked in Ohio today? MINE
To answer all the speculation - That was my car. Only 6 parts need to be replaced. It will be back on the road next week. I am shocked at all of the discussion and bantering about, speculation, etc. To end speculation about "who", "what", "how" the car ended up backing up into the tire wall, here are the facts.
1. I was serving as one of the key instructors at the event. I have over 24 years racing and track experience at the pro level. (So NO, I wasn't driving over my head.)
2. I was on my cool-down lap coming in off a relatively slow (1:16-17 lap times) run before lunch.
3. The car immediately snapped spun in turn four (Oaktree) at the apex. No warning, a complete mystery as I was light on throttle application at the apex of a left-hander setting up for entry to the carousel.
4. The tire wall saved my car and my butt with very little damage - however "ramping" backwards up the wall caused the front splitter to break as it pushed into the ground. (Naturally the most expensive part!) The rear diffuser panel is fine. Only about six parts need replaced, nothing mechanical or structural was hurt.
5. Our Chief instructor, the SCCA track steward and I surveyed the skid marks on track and were baffled by the fact that we saw a 20' long black skid mark from the inside left tire before I hit both feet in to stop. Why only the front left was skidding so severely was a mystery to all of us at the time, as I was on the throttle, I had no idea what happened ...That is until we dissembled the front brakes. What we found was a large, deep gouge in the inside of the front left brake rotor, and a huge gouge in the corresponding inside left brake pad. Something very hard and very nasty lodged in the brake caliper. With all of the corner loading on that inside front tire, it was the worst thing to happen at the worst possible time and place. Had it happened on the straight it would have dis-lodged pulled slightly to the left and off to the races without any issue.
Because I slid backwards up the tire wall (like a ramp) I felt literally no impact physically. I run an ACR-X race car, a Ferrari Challenge car and Daytona prototype and always wear a HANS devise. This was my street car, I was going relatively slow (for me), and I did not have my HANS on, so fortunately the backwards slide was a God-send, so were the tires. All the black tire marks cleaned off the paint without even a scratch using a non-abrasive bug and tar remover.
To address the insurance issue. Yes, I have insurance - good insurance - I have 28 collectible exotics on the policy. Will I make a claim? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! With only a couple grand in damages, it would be stupid to risk the premiums rising on all 28 cars on that policy.
Here are the lessons learned: 1. I felt like I really failed my 65 students by being the one car to crash that day. 2. I learned that it wasn't my fault, rather "Sh!* Happens!" It can happen to anyone, anytime, street, track or on the driveway. 3. I did not have any stainless mesh protecting the intakes for the brake ducts. With all the debris on a track, you need protection. So my pride is hurt a bit, and my wallet a little, but we move on. Tomorrow I head to Mid-Ohio with my ACR-X. Today, I am installing new brake cooling debris mesh to protect the rotors!!
This should end all of the speculation. END OF STORY.
To answer all the speculation - That was my car. Only 6 parts need to be replaced. It will be back on the road next week. I am shocked at all of the discussion and bantering about, speculation, etc. To end speculation about "who", "what", "how" the car ended up backing up into the tire wall, here are the facts.
1. I was serving as one of the key instructors at the event. I have over 24 years racing and track experience at the pro level. (So NO, I wasn't driving over my head.)
2. I was on my cool-down lap coming in off a relatively slow (1:16-17 lap times) run before lunch.
3. The car immediately snapped spun in turn four (Oaktree) at the apex. No warning, a complete mystery as I was light on throttle application at the apex of a left-hander setting up for entry to the carousel.
4. The tire wall saved my car and my butt with very little damage - however "ramping" backwards up the wall caused the front splitter to break as it pushed into the ground. (Naturally the most expensive part!) The rear diffuser panel is fine. Only about six parts need replaced, nothing mechanical or structural was hurt.
5. Our Chief instructor, the SCCA track steward and I surveyed the skid marks on track and were baffled by the fact that we saw a 20' long black skid mark from the inside left tire before I hit both feet in to stop. Why only the front left was skidding so severely was a mystery to all of us at the time, as I was on the throttle, I had no idea what happened ...That is until we dissembled the front brakes. What we found was a large, deep gouge in the inside of the front left brake rotor, and a huge gouge in the corresponding inside left brake pad. Something very hard and very nasty lodged in the brake caliper. With all of the corner loading on that inside front tire, it was the worst thing to happen at the worst possible time and place. Had it happened on the straight it would have dis-lodged pulled slightly to the left and off to the races without any issue.
Because I slid backwards up the tire wall (like a ramp) I felt literally no impact physically. I run an ACR-X race car, a Ferrari Challenge car and Daytona prototype and always wear a HANS devise. This was my street car, I was going relatively slow (for me), and I did not have my HANS on, so fortunately the backwards slide was a God-send, so were the tires. All the black tire marks cleaned off the paint without even a scratch using a non-abrasive bug and tar remover.
To address the insurance issue. Yes, I have insurance - good insurance - I have 28 collectible exotics on the policy. Will I make a claim? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! With only a couple grand in damages, it would be stupid to risk the premiums rising on all 28 cars on that policy.
Here are the lessons learned: 1. I felt like I really failed my 65 students by being the one car to crash that day. 2. I learned that it wasn't my fault, rather "Sh!* Happens!" It can happen to anyone, anytime, street, track or on the driveway. 3. I did not have any stainless mesh protecting the intakes for the brake ducts. With all the debris on a track, you need protection. So my pride is hurt a bit, and my wallet a little, but we move on. Tomorrow I head to Mid-Ohio with my ACR-X. Today, I am installing new brake cooling debris mesh to protect the rotors!!
This should end all of the speculation. END OF STORY.
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