Will Mopar Comp. Stop Catless C/E

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I plan on running my car with no cats, I have the Mopar ECU. Will the car get the dreaded check engine light or, will the ECU stop it.My car is a 00. Also, will it run super rich? Will I need to purchase the 02 simms?
 

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Q. Will the car get the dreaded check engine light
A. No, not with your Mopar ECU with stock yes you will. Headers may also cause a check engine light (even with Mopar) if the front o2 sensor is not relocated closer the the engine.

Q. Also, will it run super rich?
A. Don't think so, the Mopar ECU ignores the rear o2 sensors (I think)

Q. Will I need to purchase the 02 simms?
A. No, not with the Mopar ECU see #2 above. With the stock PCM you will need to get the rear sims.

FYI others have found the Mopar PCM can cause a loss of power, others gained, while many stayed the same.
 
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Thanks for the quick reply, I found a old tread in the archives that explained it all. I will run the Mopar ECU unless, I have problems. Then I would go to the stock computer and 02 simms. Tony
 

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Tony-
To answer your questions:
1) Chances are that you will get a check engine light with a 'primary cat failure' code.
2) Your car will also surge at light throttle rpms which tells me that it does effect the computer at light throttle loads.
3) It should not make your car go into 'limp' mode which normally makes it run rich. This is usually caused in 99+ Vipers when headers are added and another code is triggered; the 'heater warmup failure' code. If you are using stock headers, you should be fine
4) Your MOPAR PCM MAY fix the problem, and then again, maybe not. There is a reason why MOPAR stopped producing these and went through a few different production runs. It's becuase they were having problems with its performance, consistency, and reliability. We tested a few on cars and found that it caused a loss in power, higher/erratic idle, and cars seem to run hotter. Others have had different results with similar symptoms. However, it did seem to cancel out the check engine light. BUT, if you are removing the cats to increase power, you may find that the MOPAR PCM cancels the light, but robs you of more power than the cats are adding.
5) If it doesn't work, let me know. We offer an easy remedy kit to cure the problem. We have sold over 40 sets of our APEX Snake Boxes kits to VCA members so far. They are specifically designed for the Viper to cure the problems caused when you remove the cats. Installation takes only a few minutes as our kit includes the boxes with Viper connectors and soldered wires for a snap-in installation, stainless oxygen sensor plugs, tool for installation, instructions, etc..

Good luck!
 

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Tony,
APEX's "snakebox" seems to work perfectly with the stock ECU and no cats. Another good option is 3" high-flow cats; you'll have most of the power gain of running catless, with the added benefit of no electronics and no smog / fumes issue.
 
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I will be running the stock header. Also, there are two reasons for losing the cats, the heat, and power. I have driven comparable cars with no cats, seat of the pants, and dyno shows nice gains. Both guys are running the Roe simms and,stock computer, running perfect. So, I will see how the Mopar ECU works out. If not, I will will try the other options.
 
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Well, got the cats cut today. No wonder they generate so much heat.I used a leaf blower and could only feel a breath of air. I will have the straight pipe in by the end of the week. I will let you guys that have e-mailed me know the info I learn. Tony
 

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