Boxer12
Enthusiast
I would never pay Ferrari/Lambo money for a Ford...sorry, no. I would trade my GTS for a 360/430 or a Gallardo, as far as modern cars go in this price range, that's about it.
I would never pay Ferrari/Lambo money for a Ford...sorry, no. I would trade my GTS for a 360/430 or a Gallardo, as far as modern cars go in this price range, that's about it.
On a similar note, I've had Ford and Chevy owners tell me my Viper is just a Dodge.I've heard people in this thread say "it's a Ford", that's just stupid.
On a similar note, I've had Ford and Chevy owners tell me my Viper is just a Dodge.
VERY VERY TRUE as a buddy of mine owns a few new FERRARIS and is heavily invovled in the Ferrari Club NJ Chapter.To him and his club members a Viper was ,is and forever will be a plastic Dodge no matter how fast it goes around the Ring ect.On a similar note, I've had Ford and Chevy owners tell me my Viper is just a Dodge.
I was lucky enough to be present when John Coletti gave the guys at Muscle Mustang And Fast Ford a protype FGT to strret and drag test at Englishtown (test how different boost levels ,air fuel spark would effect quarter mile performance )and that car was something else.And that's just as dumb too! Last year I had a ACR on order and an opportunity came up to buy a new 2008 Murcielago came up so I traded my Ford GT and bought the Murci, at the end of the day I should have kept the Ford and waited for the ACR. Product name means crap if the product is not good! For all the good the Murci was their was a lot of bad especially considering the price point. Now I own the GT3 and it's undoubtedly the best car I've ever owned! I will also own another Viper in the near future because I love their prowess, but the FGT is a better engineered and all around car!
Ive got to disagree....
Magazine test pitted the gen3 viper and fgt against each other and the srt10 gen3 won the race...
What race, 1/4 mile/0-60/road course-define race!
The doors have been a big problem....As well as recalls with ford offering band aid fixes instead of replaceing everything that needed replaceing...
I owned one for three years and the doors were never a problem nor to my knowledge are they! The only warranty issue I had was a axle seal bolt issue which was campaigned voluntarily by Ford.
The car looks great from some angles and looks pretty crappy from some others...The pic of the white with blue stripes is a great example of how the car can look...that isnt nice...At all..No offense to the owner as I am simply talking about the angle..Im sure from the profile it looks nearly as nice as the black one...
Their is no angle that a GT looks crappy from, you would be in a huge minority on that one I'm sure.
In short the car has kept it's value simply because they didnt make many...
They only made about 300 1992 Vipers and they aren't worth squat, or more recently they made only 100 2006 VOI car and they can be had for 50-55% of sticker and they are only 3 years old.
Imagine if 2002 was the last year of the Viper and then for 2010 dodge announced that they were building 500 Vipers with 600 HP and these cars would beat everything at the ring and they had vids to prove it..
Those cars would all sell for 100K plus and then as well never really depreciate....Nonthing anymore great about them compared to what we have in real life....Other than the fact that it would be a one year oly 500 run..
ACR's are being given away already by dealers, why do you think their are about 25 on ebay?
My friend recently sold his 2005 nsx with 12K miles for 70K.....By todays standards their is nonthing special about a 2005 nsx....But they dont make them anymore and only made like 6000 in that newer model from 2002-2005...
He either caught someone sleeping or a collector wanted the car, I'm an Acura dealer and that car is worth in the 50's.
So since they didnt make many and no longer make them his 2005 nsx with 290 hp and an interior desighned back in 1991 is worth just as much as a 600 hp 2008 Viper????
The ford GT is a KOOL CAR....But if they continued makeing them and you could go order a 2010 right now then youd be able to pick up a 2004 or 2005 for 90K right now
Great points percentage wise ABSOLUTELY no way in the world a Viper can compete with a FGT (DEPRECIATION WISE )as there are simply too many of them out there- but there is just something about laying out that kind of money on such a limited use item.A lot of my Ferrari buddys who paid 6 figure plus for their cars only a few years ago are hating life for holding up that much capital in a car (you NEVER know when you will need the money and when you do it always seems harder to sell )Supply and demand always does play a part but the fact is they built only 4000 GT's in 2 years and most of the sold for list or over, a 2009 ACR that is 60k less is being discouted 6-8k and they only built about 300.
I'm not Viper bashing, I've owned my share of them but it's no contest in every category, the FGT wins hands down.
Well, Ford fans will always have blue running through the veins, Chevy fans will always have heartbeats and Dodge fans will always grab life by the horns. Brand Loyalty!
Exactly everybody i know with one raves about the car .As a matter of fact BOB IDA is tuning many of them with the WHIPPLE BLOWERS (OVER 700 to the tire )with the stock internal engine components we wish are Vipers could handle that type of power with stock rods and pistons.The only recall I found for the FGT was for front suspension on the first 500 cars built. Doesn't seem like a big deal to me.
Exactly everybody i know with one raves about the car .As a matter of fact BOB IDA is tuning many of them with the WHIPPLE BLOWERS (OVER 700 to the tire )with the stock internal engine components we wish are Vipers could handle that type of power with stock rods and pistons.
The stock components (rods and pistons )in a GEN 3 OR GEN 4 Viper are CRAP compared to a Ford GT(MANLEY FORGED PRODUCTS ) and thats a fact .When was the last time YOU PERSONALLY inspected OR DROVE a FGT Engine or Gen 3-4 Vipers engine to justify your statement .As most people know the old Viper engines make over 600rwhp easily with only basic mods. Our stock pistons, rods, CC engine blocks (Gen 2) and crankshafts are even strong enough to handle superchargers easily. Unlike the GT and Z06 and ZR1s the new Viper engines use the pistons and rods that are used in the SRT8 engines!
For gas mileage (20-26mpg) most Viper engines use higher compression than boosted engines. Blower pistons also are specially designed with thicker ring lands and different top ring positioning for protection from detonation. N/a engines don't need this and as everyone knows the KING of N/A engines is the Viper engine. While the ZR1 had it's 'moment' as hp king, that time is gone and the 640bhp of the ACR X beats the SUPERCHARGED ZR1 engine by a couple of hp putting Dodge back on top.
It's really quite amazing that a comment like the one above can be made when the stock factory produced n/a engine makes nearly 90% of the modified for RACING GT and ZR1 engines. Once the Venom controller is cracked heads, exhaust, and cam should go past the 700rwhp numbers WITHOUT needing Forced Induction!
I'd like to see a 2200rwhp or 2500rwhp ZR1 or GT ... You know a modified TT, like some many Viper are. 1100rwhp Vipers are so common that Hennesey has been selling them for decades. Most good shops will sell you "engine packages" of 1100rwhp on pump gas.
If you search the forums here you can find a $15,000 850-900rwhp on pump gas TT kit. There are quite a few on STOCK Gen 2 engines. There are quite a few 900rwhp Paxton supercharged Gen 2 cars as well. I believe that UGR builds a lot of 900+rwhp Paxtons and calls it a complete kit which includes instalation with no internal modifications.
My engine puts out well over 700rwhp without the Nitrous - and has 50,000 miles on the stock rods, block and crankshaft. Macedo Motorsports built it in 2003. Larry has built many supercharged cars and TTs. MY engine is supercharged with higher boost and being INTELLIGENT the previous owner had Larry instal BLOWER pistons into the stock engine.
Ted
Here's the answer. Now, what was the question again?
VERY VERY TRUE as a buddy of mine owns a few new FERRARIS and is heavily invovled in the Ferrari Club NJ Chapter.To him and his club members a Viper was ,is and forever will be a plastic Dodge no matter how fast it goes around the Ring ect.
World's Fastest Road Car and production record holder is the Viper ACR.
Imagine a good run with no overreving an no missed shifts...
Ford GT was good for it's time, but it can't keep up to an 08 Viper and the 2010 will be the fastest again.
You need to realize that Ford quit after a few thousand and has NO plans to build anymore supercars. They're finished and currently build Camaro/Challenger competition.
Vettes were 220hp when the 400hp Dodge came out. Until a Ford GT has to run 40% restrictor plates like the Viper does in competition the FGT can race the Vettes because Dodge is beating them with FORTY PERCENT of the INTAKE plugged, not to mention the extra hundreds of pounds that a Viper carries when it wins those races.
Sorry guys, but wishing it won't make it true and since Ford will never buid another supercar they obviously shouldn't be driven, just parked and people can look at what Ford tried to do.
Personally the concept Shelby GT2 with it's V10 front engine rear drive was the car I wanted to see perform. Guess it was just an excercise like Caddilac's v16 1000bhp concept. Not for reality - where Dodge rules!
Ted