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    May not have to worry about 2015 Z06

    The GTS time posted above is a production 2013 (same day they did the TA). It did not have aero package. do not remember on the brakes/tires. Your point is super valid on the performance, just wanted to make sure you know that time was not from the original pre-production car. Heck, put the...
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    May not have to worry about 2015 Z06

    In just doing back of the napkin math by this list, I see the following: Coupe 78K + perf seats 2k + aero package 10k (note it requires other option taken) + nav 2k. That does not even include the popular 3LZ package for 8k. So, just to get something reasonable for the performance minded, you...
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    May not have to worry about 2015 Z06

    Just highlighting the facts from the chart. Is it just me that sees 3 of the 4 top times are Vipers and 2 of them are GenV's. Go hunt for the new stingray. Go hunt for the early years of the ZR1. It does tell a more complete story. Now, if only they were able to run a 30min test for each...
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    May not have to worry about 2015 Z06

    Please, look at the whole chart. The ZR1 from 5yrs ago has a much slower time. It was only the last model year that had the perf you speak of. to suggest it was 5yr tech is not accurate, atleast when coming to handling. Just saying overstating things like you are is not super helpful when...
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    May not have to worry about 2015 Z06

    please go back to the table for all three GenV viper models times at Laguna before you make the statement on handling capabilities.
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    I was thinking about purchasing a Viper again

    ok, I must be missing something. One post, you pause at the 151K figure stating how high it is and now you pause at the 100k figure. price is not the issue in the comparison (relatively speaking), so just decide which car you like better by seeing in person and driving.
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    I was thinking about purchasing a Viper again

    come on, you must know more than this info if you are considering. You can get a fully loaded GTS for near 100k now. Does your view change now?
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    May not have to worry about 2015 Z06

    I guess it depends on your perspective. 3500 is heavy for a zo6 replacement as several hundred lbs heavier. Now, if you view as a zr1 replacement, then you are correct in not much difference
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    May not have to worry about 2015 Z06

    Yes, this was known for quite a while. adding FI is like a guaranteed +200lbs so it is amazing it is not higher. what I have not seen yet though is the weight distribution.
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    May not have to worry about 2015 Z06

    easy, traction from AWD and auto. Not really that impressive when you think about it that way, but the fact that pig of a car can handle with its electronics is what is amazing.
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    Charger Hellcat too

    agreed. I think the difference is the others were designed with that extra weight in mind. Me personally, would rather have the car have 200lbs removed and same power but that is probably even more expensive.
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    Charger Hellcat too

    While I agree with your statements below, even a smaller % of buyers know how to use the power, so really the same argument in both cases. I guess it always comes down to "bragging rights" which really does not have much logic to it, but plenty of passion. I think what people always forget...
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    Charger Hellcat too

    First step would to be for them to know what type of car they want. The point of my quote (of which you only took part) was that someone is describing how the Charger/Challenger impacts Viper sales and my point was to dispute that because they are not even in the same category of car nor are...
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    Charger Hellcat too

    You put down people , the car, etc and when you get called out on anything, you resort to personal attacks. I simply asked for the facts or logic from the statements being made. And this is yet another post where you are insulting again. You are calling someone cheap that you don't know. (so...
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    Charger Hellcat too

    exactly, you do have to be in the market to figure that out. If you walk in to get a Viper, you presumably have the money to get it. at $65k challenger or charger is not going to confuse you to get that instead, unless you were never in the market for a Viper to begin with. It will only help...
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    Charger Hellcat too

    I think you must be the definition of an idiot then because you really have no concept of who you are even speaking with, membership involvement, etc. But, you feel because you paid for a club membership, you are entitled to insult an owner of the car in the forum you are in when you don't have...
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    Charger Hellcat too

    Just confirming, but I think the GenV forum, right. I own a GenV. Right off the bat more qualified for this forum than someone that does not. But please, keep adding your expertise and insults as I guess your club fee gives you that right.
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    Charger Hellcat too

    Simply asking folks to explain their opinion with what they would actually do should not be that threatening. But, then you call someone a cheapskate because they didn't pay an annual fee for a club where you get little in return, but instead purchased the product the entire club is formed...
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    Charger Hellcat too

    Not sure what this even means. You will never trade any vipers for it?
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    Charger Hellcat too

    sure, but folks can answer for themselves what they would do vs trying to speak for others. Would he in fact not buy a Viper and buy something else because of this? Would any of you? You can only answer if in the market, have the money, going in to get a Viper, reading this info about...
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    Charger Hellcat too

    any data to back that opinion? If you were in the market for a Gen5, would it really cause you to go elsewhere?
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    The current and future state of Viper sales and technology

    And your last answer I think calls out the disconnect. Until you know what you want to grow to, it throws many things off. Your suggestions all lead to wanting to be a corvette competitor in sales #'s (20-30k cars a year) and that clearly is NOT the goal of the Viper and never has been. My...
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    The current and future state of Viper sales and technology

    why would you aim your target at the Stingray? The Viper is not meant to be a corvette competitor, particularly with the base model. why would a handbuilt car be targeted at that. You would then create the problem the vette has, and that being the hi-end models don't feel hi-end because they...
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    The current and future state of Viper sales and technology

    actually, that was never really the stated goal for the cars. The SRT was always meant to be the less expensive car for the prior traditional Viper buyers. They never said the GTS was a GT car and in fact always said the 2mode suspension was a better performance suspension. Simple fact was...
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    The current and future state of Viper sales and technology

    Exactly, now we have some facts. put Aero and track alignment on the GTS and no telling how close they are. Now add in the fact of the only cars you can buy new today in the same price range are the Gen5's (all versions) and GTR, of which neither are selling well. performance and Price is...

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