Just posted ad in classifieds for my 2008 Venom Red ACR. Well it was converted at Prefix with all the ACR parts so some may say it is not really an ACR. Whatever, it is a great car with lots of performance stuff and spares. You could take it to the track tomorrow. I just have not had time to get to the track and hate to see it just sit in the garage. Hopefully the ad will be up soon.
08 ACR Listed For Sale
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Paul Hawker
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Maybe "ACR style"
Absolutely or ACR clone.
madninjaskillz
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but not "ACR price"
chorps
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Really darn close, actually.
Read the ad. It says "Converted". Car is actually better than an ACR with how it is set up. Furthermore, aren't all SRT10's sent to Prefix to be "converted"? Is Prefix not like SLP is/was for GM Camaros and Firebirds. I could be wrong, maybe all the ACR parts are put on at "the factory" and if so, my bad. But if I am right, what real difference does it make if a guy orders an ACR from the factory or orders a SRT 10 and sends it to Prefix and has all the ACR parts installed, just like any other SRT 10? Resale value, maybe, but I doubt too many of these cars will be high dollar collector cars, at least in the lifetime of most of the current owners. Sorry about my rant, I just figured some forum folks would be haters and I was right. Too bad. As for the price, I did a fair amount of comp analysis, I think I am close, but will entertain any offers to find out what it is really worth.
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shooter_t1
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This. ^^^^.
robiferretti
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Some might be haters, but there is a specific value difference in a car that doesn't match up to the VIN number.
Its like saying yes the car has a salvage title but I built it back up better then the factory did so why would it be worth less?
People are just saying you should advertise it as what it is and not what it resembles. You are selling a modified 08 coupe with all the ACR goodies from Dodge. There is a value to that that is probably higher then a stock 08 coupe, its just not as high as an 08 ACR. People will gladly pay more for the original no matter how closely one looks to an original.
Its like saying yes the car has a salvage title but I built it back up better then the factory did so why would it be worth less?
People are just saying you should advertise it as what it is and not what it resembles. You are selling a modified 08 coupe with all the ACR goodies from Dodge. There is a value to that that is probably higher then a stock 08 coupe, its just not as high as an 08 ACR. People will gladly pay more for the original no matter how closely one looks to an original.
So what is it worth? Another "converted" 2008 on cars.com for $79,900 with lower miles and less equipment. Regular SRT 10 Coupes listed from $62,500 - $77,900. One "real" ACR at $87,900. I have around $26,500 +/- in additional equipment over a stock Coupe. Let's say that is worth 50% so add $13,250 to the cheapest Viper listing on cars .com and that brings me to the $75k area where I priced mine. At the end of the day, it is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it, so we will see. I could be way off?
I guess people don't understand what "Converted" means either. Not sure how I am not advertising it for what it is??
I guess people don't understand what "Converted" means either. Not sure how I am not advertising it for what it is??
I would respectfully disagree. Most viper buyers want all stock, all original cars. There are people who want a coupe, and not an ACR. And there are people who want an ACR, not a coupe. Personally, I'm not a black wheel fan or a wing fan.. Which is why I own a Coupe with 5 spokes. Just my personal taste.
So, To me. This car is worth less than an all original Coupe. But I do agree with you. Anything in between is just a modified viper., NOT (in any way shape of form) an ACR.
08viperviolet
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just a heads up someone who had a modified coupe to ACR by PRE Fix sold if for $65000 about a month ago Viper red white stipe roll bar. Not sure what yuopr car is worth but Venom red seem to be a few thousand less then all of the other colors. Good luck.
Cobraken
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It was my car and it was an '09 with just 2800 miles. Non tracked. Had it for sale for over half a yr.
Cobraken
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And for the record even though I didn't have the anacronym ACR anywhere in my ad there were haters that jumped in and pointed out it was a "fake" ACR. I never understood the hate because I never claimed it was.
redtanrt10
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Nice viper, too bad you got off to a rough start in this posting. Lot's of sensitivity here on descriptions, better to say ACR clone. Doesn't matter if Prefix did the work, gotta be on the window sticker to be a real one. I'm pretty sure the old SLP cars had that option listed on the window sticker too. As I said nice viper with great equipment like headers/exhaust, ECU and Moton's. Didn't see StopTech rotors in the listing, have them?
BTW, I don't have issues with clones, I built one too. GLWS
BTW, I don't have issues with clones, I built one too. GLWS
chorps
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There was a thread about replacement engines (under warranty) and whether the non-matching engine serial would hurt the resale value of the car. The general consensus was that it would for most people. It's not about 'hating', it's just that part of the resale of the vehicle is about how close to the original the vehicle is for most buyers.
I don't think your price is out to lunch but I was just pointing out that it is likely that someone looking for an ACR will find an ACR very near to your pricing in the used market, and unless they really value the spares and the specific colour you're offering, they'd be more likely to buy a 'genuine' ACR.
Good luck with your sale.
I don't think your price is out to lunch but I was just pointing out that it is likely that someone looking for an ACR will find an ACR very near to your pricing in the used market, and unless they really value the spares and the specific colour you're offering, they'd be more likely to buy a 'genuine' ACR.
Good luck with your sale.
Redtanrt10 - thanks for the post. I have whatever rotors come with the ACR. They are sloted. I know I have had to specify ACR when ordering replacements.
chorps - thank for your post as well. I understand the car is not for everyone. Some want all original, some want never tracked, etc. Somebody out there probably wants to save a ton of $$ and buy my car that is set up and turn key for the track. If my price is way off, the market will dictate and I will come down. This is not a fire sale and if I have it come spring, I probably will just head back to the track 2-3 times next year with it.
chorps - thank for your post as well. I understand the car is not for everyone. Some want all original, some want never tracked, etc. Somebody out there probably wants to save a ton of $$ and buy my car that is set up and turn key for the track. If my price is way off, the market will dictate and I will come down. This is not a fire sale and if I have it come spring, I probably will just head back to the track 2-3 times next year with it.
FastZilla
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Call it whatever you want - just put in the add text somewhere that it does NOT have the 21B package - this will tell everyone that is a purist that the car is not a "factory" ACR. A simple scan of the window sticker and inclusion in the add photos would be full disclosure. Maybe list the car as "2008 ACR spec (non-21B)".....
On the flip side - just having traded in my 2009 21B (ACR) for over $5k more than would be offered by anyone looking for a "factory" ACR I will comfortably say that the whole "value" argument regarding factory sticker options vs. after market cloning is a bit moot for the time being. Maybe in 30 years it will have an effect. Right now even the factory 21B cars are worthless so a clone will probably require you to pay the buyer to take it off your hand.
Good luck
Good luck!
On the flip side - just having traded in my 2009 21B (ACR) for over $5k more than would be offered by anyone looking for a "factory" ACR I will comfortably say that the whole "value" argument regarding factory sticker options vs. after market cloning is a bit moot for the time being. Maybe in 30 years it will have an effect. Right now even the factory 21B cars are worthless so a clone will probably require you to pay the buyer to take it off your hand.
Good luck
Good luck!
Well, clone, fake, modded, whatever, very nice car & setup. GLWS. As for price, it's an asking price so no problem starting there, see what you get, we all here always hope for the highest possible, it only helps us all. The market on vipers is all over the place, it got real soft, then seemed to perk up and now it's waffling around, winter for most of the country tends to soften it also. But, very well done car, to the right buyer, it'll be very appreciated.
Dave.
Dave.
Steve M
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Cars that actually went to SLP would have a specific RPO code on the door sticker, and a passenger side SLP sticker if it got any of the optional SLP upgrades.
I can see both sides here...having come from a 2002 Camaro SS, I was always frustrated when people made SS clones and tried to pass them off as the real deal. Call them on it, and you'd get the same story: "All the parts came from SLP, so how is it any different?"
In this case, you sent the car to Prefix to have the work done, so I'm guessing you paid the same amount you would have had the same thing been done when ordering the car. It may not be a pure bred ACR, but it sounds like it is as close as you could get...after all, it's not like you put the wing (and other parts) on in your garage with super glue.
What people may be picking up on is your thread title - when it says "08 ACR Listed For Sale", I'd expect to see an actual ACR for sale, not a conversion even though you put it in the body of the thread. First impressions are the ones that seem to last, and the thread title, IMO, is a first impression.
It does look like a really cool car, but it is like saying you have Hemi Cuda when you have a converted 6 cylinder and stating that Mopar did the conversion. That price reference is about 80% less on a cuda and I know we are talking Vipers. Sorry to rant on this like others, but when attempting to advertise one needs to be very specific.
Good luck it is a nice car.
Bruce
Good luck it is a nice car.
Bruce
