2002_Viper_GTS_ACR
Enthusiast
I honestly hate that it has come to this, but while I am sure I am going to be fine due to my banks involvement, I want to warn everyone based on a dealing I have had with Bobby Archer. I honestly can't believe it has come to this, but I have always looked out for my fellow Viper owners, so I will post this, if you just want to hate me because I am trying to possibly protect fellow owners, then you just dont get me. I gain nothing by sharing my story, other then to have someone think twice, before engaging in a similar transaction. Here is an email I sent to My current Carolina's VCA president and my past, just to make sure I wasnt being unreasonable:
(DISCLAIMER: I am not speaking for Randy or Janni in any way, as to wether or not they support me on this, I am simply using this email I sent to them because it pretty much sums up what I have to say"
Addressed to Janni Cone and Randy Cade:
"Do I get all the bad luck or what (unless im racing Janni, then I win ;-) ), so I need your help if possible, because I think you guys would rather me contact you before I post on viper club.
Janni, I know you know about my attempt at buying "like new" wheels from Bobby Archer. But I will expand on the details for both your and Randy.
I attempted to buy a set of "like new, never been tracked, no issues" VRL wheels and tires from Bobby Archer (who I spoke with and ordered directly from) at an agreed upon price of $3250.00, Janni and Henry were going to pick them up in Texas from Bobby to save the cost of shipping. When Janni spoke to Bobby that weekend, he told her that one of the wheels was tweaked, and that he would contact me to discuss. Well he never called me, so I called him. When I did, he explained that he had not known the wheels were bent when he gave me their description of "like new, never been tracked, no issues" (because they never checked them, until it was time to mount tires on them). Well, Bobby wanted me to hold on while he investigated from the source he bought them from, what had happen to them. He said he would call me back in 1 hour. I think I waited about 3, and then finally called him back, and he explained he still hadn't been able to get in touch with the individual he bought them from. At that point, I explained to Bobby, that I just wasn't comfortable with this deal anymore, and I would rather just terminate the order, and have my money back. He agreed to it, and I had assumed it was over.
Incidentally, when bobby originally attempted to charge my Credit Card for the $3250.00, he accidentally did it for $32.50, and then had one of his guys call me, and tell me they credited my $32.50 money back, and then recharged my account for $3250.00, the significance in this, is that I noticed with 24 hours the credit for $32.50 showed up. So two weeks after no credit showed up on the card for the $3250.00, I called back, and left Bobby a vmail. No response, no credit. I called again, a week later, left another message (each time, leaving complete details of the issue). No response. Then again, 1 more time I tried and left a vmail. Still no responses. A month went by and nothing, so when my credit card statement came in, and the amount still hadn't been refunded, I began the process of disputing the charge. In a last attempt to avoid being in a negative situation with Bobby Archer, I called praying SOMEONE would answer the phone. This time they did, so last week, I spoke to a guy, who said he was the original guy that found out the wheels were bad and was the one who told bobby that they had issues. He also told me, he knew of the messages I had left for bobby (which really pissed me off, because it meant they got them, and never responded). But he promised he would personally deliver the message to Bobby that I was now going to move forward with a disputed item charge back, and that I was giving them one last chance to make good on giving me my money back. He even thanked me for giving Bobby this one last shot, and said Bobby is a great guy, but had made mistakes before like over charging customers at the track, and that when its identified by the customer, Bobby will refund the overage. He felt that Bobby would appreciate my attempt, and swore either he or Bobby would contact me by days end. That was on Thursday, and it never happen, and Friday came and went, nothing.
So I give up, I did send the form in to dispute the charge, I am very pissed at Bobby over this whole thing, but my next step is to post this on Viper Club, I am that **********, that I did EVERYTHING possible to give him an opportunity to prove he is a stand up guy. Now I want to post that I had an issue with him, a $3250 issue, which I think some might agree is significant. I will get my money back on this one, I am not in the least bit worried about it, my Bank has assured me, based on the complete details I have given.
If you guys want to call him, and try to sort this out, great, I am posting this issue, if Bobby doesn't step up. I know its going to start some [******] by me doing it, and everyone is going to chime in on how much they love bobby and all the great stuff he does, but I'll put my flak suit on, and still do it, I think its wrong what he is doing.
Jon"
(DISCLAIMER: I am not speaking for Randy or Janni in any way, as to wether or not they support me on this, I am simply using this email I sent to them because it pretty much sums up what I have to say"
Addressed to Janni Cone and Randy Cade:
"Do I get all the bad luck or what (unless im racing Janni, then I win ;-) ), so I need your help if possible, because I think you guys would rather me contact you before I post on viper club.
Janni, I know you know about my attempt at buying "like new" wheels from Bobby Archer. But I will expand on the details for both your and Randy.
I attempted to buy a set of "like new, never been tracked, no issues" VRL wheels and tires from Bobby Archer (who I spoke with and ordered directly from) at an agreed upon price of $3250.00, Janni and Henry were going to pick them up in Texas from Bobby to save the cost of shipping. When Janni spoke to Bobby that weekend, he told her that one of the wheels was tweaked, and that he would contact me to discuss. Well he never called me, so I called him. When I did, he explained that he had not known the wheels were bent when he gave me their description of "like new, never been tracked, no issues" (because they never checked them, until it was time to mount tires on them). Well, Bobby wanted me to hold on while he investigated from the source he bought them from, what had happen to them. He said he would call me back in 1 hour. I think I waited about 3, and then finally called him back, and he explained he still hadn't been able to get in touch with the individual he bought them from. At that point, I explained to Bobby, that I just wasn't comfortable with this deal anymore, and I would rather just terminate the order, and have my money back. He agreed to it, and I had assumed it was over.
Incidentally, when bobby originally attempted to charge my Credit Card for the $3250.00, he accidentally did it for $32.50, and then had one of his guys call me, and tell me they credited my $32.50 money back, and then recharged my account for $3250.00, the significance in this, is that I noticed with 24 hours the credit for $32.50 showed up. So two weeks after no credit showed up on the card for the $3250.00, I called back, and left Bobby a vmail. No response, no credit. I called again, a week later, left another message (each time, leaving complete details of the issue). No response. Then again, 1 more time I tried and left a vmail. Still no responses. A month went by and nothing, so when my credit card statement came in, and the amount still hadn't been refunded, I began the process of disputing the charge. In a last attempt to avoid being in a negative situation with Bobby Archer, I called praying SOMEONE would answer the phone. This time they did, so last week, I spoke to a guy, who said he was the original guy that found out the wheels were bad and was the one who told bobby that they had issues. He also told me, he knew of the messages I had left for bobby (which really pissed me off, because it meant they got them, and never responded). But he promised he would personally deliver the message to Bobby that I was now going to move forward with a disputed item charge back, and that I was giving them one last chance to make good on giving me my money back. He even thanked me for giving Bobby this one last shot, and said Bobby is a great guy, but had made mistakes before like over charging customers at the track, and that when its identified by the customer, Bobby will refund the overage. He felt that Bobby would appreciate my attempt, and swore either he or Bobby would contact me by days end. That was on Thursday, and it never happen, and Friday came and went, nothing.
So I give up, I did send the form in to dispute the charge, I am very pissed at Bobby over this whole thing, but my next step is to post this on Viper Club, I am that **********, that I did EVERYTHING possible to give him an opportunity to prove he is a stand up guy. Now I want to post that I had an issue with him, a $3250 issue, which I think some might agree is significant. I will get my money back on this one, I am not in the least bit worried about it, my Bank has assured me, based on the complete details I have given.
If you guys want to call him, and try to sort this out, great, I am posting this issue, if Bobby doesn't step up. I know its going to start some [******] by me doing it, and everyone is going to chime in on how much they love bobby and all the great stuff he does, but I'll put my flak suit on, and still do it, I think its wrong what he is doing.
Jon"
