That's most impressive -- congrats! If 488ci + boost is good, 550ci + boost is, well, gooder
However -- stating:
"Heffner now has the 2 most powerful SC only cars out there."
"Lately there have been way too many claims of big #'s with no dyno sheets to back it up!", and
"If there was any doubt before, it should be becoming clearer that Jason Heffner makes the best supercharger system Bar None!"
is
absolutely an invitation for a flamefest. Trying to say "oooh, but this isn't a war" right afterward is pathetic and insufficient.
To set the record straight, this is first SC-only Heffner car which is more powerful than either my or Roof's DLM car. I am not sure of where this "two most powerful" factoid came from? By way of example, here's a dyno sheet from my car from a while back, with the old setup:
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Amusingly, my car made more torque and almost as much HP as the 550ci Apex/Heffner car, and more HP +
way more torque than GaryA's car. And this is with the small blower and 15 PSI boost. I've seen Roof's dyno sheets (post coming shortly) and his is similar but a touch stronger than mine was. In retrospect, I clearly should have done some dyno pulls with the big blower @ 30 PSI, just to put an end to this sort of BS. Rest assured I won't repeat that error
So... THEMASH, congrats on your car and go have fun with it! Heffner - keep putting out good systems and raising the bar; Doug needs some competition to keep him innovating
The rest of you -- keep it factual, and don't post BS, or I'll have to smack ya down...
Ben, on 5/30 you posted on the dyno sheets portion of the board this same sheet and said it was for 16 PSI. On this post, you say it is for 15 PSI. Which one is it?
Ben, in the past, I have had a great admiration and respect for your car and your posts, but I have seen some things lately that, quite frankly raise the B.S. flag as far as I am concerned.
Ben, you said, "In retrospect, I clearly should have done some dyno pulls with the big blower @ 30 PSI, just to put an end to this sort of BS. Rest assured I won't repeat that error
"
What kind of a statement is this? You already said that the wheelspin was so bad at 26 PSI that the dyno could not read the power. Right? What good would a 30 PSI pull do?
I also expressed my opinion that there is definitely a diminishing marginal return in going from 15 or 16 PSI to 26 or 30 PSI especially if the intercooling capacity remains untouched. Your "extrapolation" of 1140 RWHP is an insult to everybody's intelligence.
Ben, you said, "Amusingly, my car made more torque and almost as much HP as the 550ci Apex/Heffner car, and more HP +
way more torque than GaryA's car."
Let's see here, according to your previous "extrapolation" of 29RWHP increase per additional 1 lb boost....... Gary's car made 844 RWHP and 792 RWLBS/FT on 12 PSI. So for 3 more PSI(15 total PSI), that should make +87 RWHP and TQ. 844+87= 931 RWHP, 792+87= 879 RWLBS/FT. If we go 16 PSI, the car should make 960 RWHP and 908 RWLBS/FT.
==> "Amusingly", with either the 15 or 16 PSI route, this "should" easily be more power than what your car made at 16 PSI.==> But then they will also get into the "dangerous" area where the wheels simply slip and nothing can be proven anyway! ==>I do not think it will make this much due to the natural laws of physics with the diminishing marginal returns of RWHP increase per pound of boost increase, but we will see.
Ben, you said, "I've seen Roof's dyno sheets (post coming shortly) and his is similar but a touch stronger than mine was."
I said,"Lately there have been way too many claims of big #'s with no dyno sheets to back it up!"
==>You posted your small # dyno sheet for the 16 PSI, I would like to see something like the 19 PSI pull or whatever you got for a reading on the 26 PSI run. That would be interesting!
David posted last weekend about his 850 RWHP and 900 RWLBS/FT, I am surprised to still not have seen the sheet posted. If you have seen it, surely you posess the technical wizardry to get it posted here, please put it up I would love to see David's sheet, he is one hell of a nice guy!
==> So if you did not post the big dyno sheet and David's has not yet been posted, why do you object to my observations of the facts?
I am sure I will get flamed big time here but I am sick and tired of people with big egos and great reputations pushing the big B.S. wagon hoping people will believe their B.S.
Ben, you said, "The rest of you -- keep it factual, and don't post BS, or I'll have to smack ya down..."
==> Ben, you very well might be the one needing a smackdown.......
Here is some smack for you my friend: My favorite Ben Treynor post(On his video) 60-110MPH..."Next time I'll use the nitrous"... That was the funniest thing I ever saw! When I get my car back I will teach you the meaning respect with the creation of the baddest a$$ supercharged Viper video known to mankind! You will beg me for mercy!
Ben, I think you are a great guy, but you are out of line here and you should not always think you have to be #1 HP top dog here.
==>Repeat after me.............."It's OK not to have the highest HP Viper in the world."
Remember, "You are good enough, you are smart enough...... and doggone it, people like you!"...... No matter HOW much RWHP you posess. Trust me.
P.S. I can't believe I missed this early this morning: You said,"Trying to say "oooh, but this isn't a war" right afterward is pathetic and insufficient"
Like I said earlier to Maxey, THIS IS A THREAD ABOUT A MAN AND HIS HEFFNER SUPERCHARGED MONSTER. It is not a DLM comparo post.
==>If you want to start a war and boost your ego, why don't you start a thread titled: Ben Treynor_ "King" of the supercharged weenies...... Just don't do it on this thread, ok? Repeat after me, "This is a Heffner thread........."
