ACR RATTLERS- DODGE FINALLY ANSWERS!! Long

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Fellow Rattlers
After months of being unanswered, followed by months of many phone calls our group letter was finally answered by an authorized Dodge representative. In a nutshell, Dodge is offering two options to those ACR owners who are afficted with the dreaded "rattler" Koni condition. First a bit of history.
We, the ACR purchasers spent an additional 10 grand for the ACR option package which included among its various upgrades the following:
"...GTS-R style aluminum-bodied Koni racing shock absorbers, double-acting,high pressure gas-charged, externally adjustable for bump and rebound;"
Also included in the above option was the sound of a gas can 1/8th filled with grade 8 bolts, when the car was driven on a roadway that contained any defects larger than 1/2 inch or larger.
As you all know, we sent a detailed letter to Team Viper requesting a remedy for this condition. After months of telepone calls with Dodge representatives, I can report that they have offered me two options which I will detail below.
First however, some perliminary information.
Dodge has advised that each ACR owner must individually contact Dodge in regard to thier car. You must have your VIN number handy and they assured me that their reps at the following number have been preadvised of the incoming ACR inquiries.
THE NUMBER IS 800 992 1997
The offer is"
Option #1
Bring your ACR to the dealer and they will remove the Koni system and replace it with a stockset of GTS shocks/springs. Dodge will then give you the full Koni system to do with as you wish. There will be no charge to the customer for the removal,swap etc.

Option #2
The customer can have the new Dynamic Spring/shock system that is now OEM and in the Mopar Performance catalog installed to replace the Koni system. Dodge will apply the same labor costs to remove and replace the Koni system and apply their cost for a set of GTS springs/shocks to the cost of the new Dynamic set up.
Heres the bad news. After applying the labor and shock offsets the customer will have to come up with $4000.00 to offset the substantial price increase in the Dynamic system. (I haven't checked the Mopar prices yet, so I don't have a figure to capare to; JON B.??can you help us here?)

Rattlers, The above may be a little disappointing to most. However, I for one am not convinced that it is totally unreasonable. Simply stated, if you want the noise gone, and as an added plus, get a really race designed resovior type shock/spring set up, its costly. But still less than if you wanted to do it on your own. On the other hand, I have heard a lot of stories recently that the Dynamic system,(particularly with the greatly increased spring rate) is quite a "racecar ride", and somewhat uncomfortable on the street.
So thats it. I urge each affected ACR owner to contact Dodge at the provided number and see how you do.

Guys, I've done what I could. Good Luck and for those without the 4 large, keep on rattling
Bob.
 

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Can anyone with the Dynamic set up comment on the performance? Previous comments regarding Koni vs Dynamic were in favor of the Koni (with the right settings) and uncertain about the latter.
Did anyone finalize the long term results of the 'Tatorizing' treatment?

Frank
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bob Carroll:

I have heard a lot of stories recently that the Dynamic system,(particularly with the greatly increased spring rate) is quite a "racecar ride", and somewhat uncomfortable on the street.
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Not true at all.
I have the Dynamic set up on my ACR and I think they are great. Not harsh at all. My Stealth with its aftermarket GAB shocks and Eibach springs are a lot harder.
I have never been in a stock GTS, but i have been in a few earlier GEN1 RT/10s, and my car’s ride feels a lot softer.
I drove my car more then 800 miles when i first bought it “from WI to VA”, and the ride was great. I also live 5 min away from Washington DC, and go there a lot, the streets there are full of *** holes/ bumps/uneven surfaces and every other imperfections you could think of on a road, yet it drives over them very nicely, i was more then impressed by the way it handled them, it being a race type suspension and all. I was warned many times that the ACRs ride was harsh and that i should think twice about buying one because of that reason, but i don’t find it at all that way. Its very smooth, even a bit on the soft side, it bounces more then i would like. And i am even thinking of getting them adjusted a bit on the firmer side.
I will be at Heffners performance for the Dyno day this Saturday, anyone that wants to feel how the car rides is more then welcome to go out with me for a little ride.
 

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Bob:

On behalf of the ACR community, great work! Thank you.

One question - if one opts for the DSP replacements, can the Koni's be retained by the owner? I would always want to have all the original OEM parts for resale value.

Thanks .....
 

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Bob,
Thanks for the wonderful job.
I for one will stand alone as staying with the "TATORIZED" ACR.
ACR Joe call me its time to go and see the WIZARD!
It has been reported that the DSP's may rattle too.
Anyone with DSP's have you had this experience?
 

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I've got a shiny new set of ACR wheels and Dynamic Shocks with less than a 1000 miles on them if anyone would like to build their own ACR for $8000. All you'll need is a new sticker and some defective seatbelts!
 

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In my "rush to make my weekly flight to Atlanta", I read $400 for the DSP's instead of $4000. Still a great job by Bob Carroll, but DC's response, as relates to the DSP option, is just plain f***en silly. Given no other realistic option, I will probably opt for the GTS set-up for everything except the track at which time I will switch back to the Koni's.
 

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BOB,
My hat is off to you fo being so PATIENT with DC!

That's not much of an answer?
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Do you think it's time to get TATORIZED? CALL ME!
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To all the ACR RATTLERS-PLEASE hang in there!! Once I get to do BOB C. or ACRJOE and they post that it works, I WILL release it! I promise!!
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I agree with both ACR Joe & Kevin Salt.
Of course I also agree with the "Wizard."
Where are my stock shocks?
 
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My 99 ACR has no noticeable rattle. The 5 point harness hardware makes noise (rattles) but that is it, presently 7,000+ miles. It had a rattle when as delivered, Dan Cragin put it on a rack, tighten all fasteners, result no rattle.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bob Carroll:
.........After applying the labor and shock offsets the customer will have to come up with $4000.00 to offset the substantial price increase in the Dynamic system. (I haven't checked the Mopar prices yet, so I don't have a figure to capare to; JON B.??can you help us here?)Bob.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


1st I must say that MoPar Perf Parts prices are not rational. Even after wading thru the MANY price errors in the printed catalogue supplements:

ACR-"Rattlers" 1999-2000.5 list for $2350 ea

DSI-Remotes list for much less........$1428 ea Front, no price on rears....

The original offer of "Replace w/ OEm shocks and go away" is not new, however......it was originally posted here in 1999.
 
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Jon,
Thanks for the quotes. I agree that the stock shocks to replace the ACR Rattlers was offered before. However, to my knowledge they did not offer the second option of substituting the Dynamic system even with the 4K "penalty". As I noted in my original post the price to replace is pretty steep, but some may choose to do so if the rattles are that objectionable. I also believe that Chuck Tators offer to "tatorize" the ACR Konis must be further expolored and if I can get the time to get up there I will allow my car to be tested (after Chuck tells me what the hell the big secret is of course!!!) In any event I am trying to get back to the Rep who gave me the options to answer the additional questions regarding whether you can keep the OEM Konis if you choose the Dynamic option. If someone gets a response from Dodge, please post.
Thanks, Bob
 

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Has any called yet?
I just tried and got the 8-5 hours message.
Please post your experiences.
Thanks to all.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bob Carroll:
Jon, Thanks for the quotes....... , to my knowledge they did not offer the second option of substituting the Dynamic system even with the 4K "penalty"........I also believe that Chuck Tators offer to "tatorize" .........after Chuck tells me what the hell the big secret is of course!!! .......<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree the DSI swap is new info...great job achieving the near impossible. I tried REAL hard to get "ACR-Oil pans" into 1999 ACRS with 1 success. And I kept no secrets.

[...... too bad about the big secrecy fix thing........I certainly would understand a proprietary 'ownership' of an improved aftermarket part, but a supposedly genuine and yet secret fix? Why not give/sell it to D-C as a TSB and take the thanks? How many ACRS will drive there for the mystery ?
So we have guys contemplating a $4000 fix while some keep a fix secret. It just bugs me I guess....... ]
 

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Originally posted by JonB - PartsRack:


[...... too bad about the big secrecy fix thing........I certainly would understand a proprietary 'ownership' of an improved aftermarket part, but a supposedly genuine and yet secret fix? Why not give/sell it to D-C as a TSB and take the thanks? How many ACRS will drive there for the mystery ?

jonboy-If you could see were my hand is right now-well I'll just say it's below my belt.GIVE/SELL THIS!
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Viper Wizard:
jonboy-If you could see were my hand is right now-well I'll just say it's below my belt.
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........One less secret in taterville now...........
We're kind of surprised you revealed this one FIRST however.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kevin Salt:
JonB, do you have the list price on OEM stock shocks?
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ACR buds........The OEM shocks are seperate...... not sold as coil-overs like the ACR setup.FRONTS show a HUGE national back order.......maybe due to this campaign, but prob not......REARS show a very few available. F or R $309 MSRP.

CONSIDER: Mopar Perf Parts offers an SCCA-T1 shock for MSRP of only $286F $306R...... one of the few good deals out there. {PartsRack discounts that considerably.}

Maybe that 800-line fix would allow this shock instead? Tunable, softer ride than ACR sprink/shock package.... Good availability........ I WONDER IF IT RATTLES !!!!!!!!??????????
 
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