Any tuners with a gauranteed head package for Gen I?

[Sniper]

Can't seem to find anybody who'll give me a ballpark figure for headwork on my 94! If I'm going to pay $XXXX for headwork, I want some rwhp #'s. If nobody's done it, I don't want to be the guinnuae pig who pays $XXXX and gets back a car with 35 more rwhp. If I am a guinnuae pig, I want a huge discount for not knowing what I'm going to get for my money. Everybody's got figures for Gen II's! Any reputable tuners out there with a reply?

 

[Tom Welch]

Matt,

I feel your pain and here is an offer for you.

Send me your heads and I will do them at cost + 10% for your "guinea pig" sacrafice. I don't know what kind of power they will generate. One thing is for sure though, we will ALL find out together as we dyno and drag test EVERY SINGLE UPGRADE and post the realistic results for everyone to see and comment on. We have nothing to hide.

Rest assured that our heads work! Several customers have dynoed Gen 2's with results ranging from 50 BHP and up. We have dynoed with and without power adders like NOS and have achieved outragous torque numbers like 950 RWTQ. Check our flow numbers and comparisions and dyno results at the link below.

My own viper has shown a dyno increase of 50+ hp and 5 tenths of a second elapsed time with a MPH gain of an average of 6 mph(all of which are in the first 1/8th mile........we previously averaged 92 in the 1/8th now we average 98 mph and have timeslips for anyone to view).

Best of luck to you. You have my offer.

BTW, I shy away from using customers cars for R&D but we are certain of our cylinder head program. If someone wants to come forward like SEAN ROE who owns a Gen 1 car that does lots of R&D we will make you that same offer.

Thanks,

Tom
Http://btrviper.com
1997 GTS BTR 750 SS "PLUS" 680 RWHP, 944 RWTQ...10.3 @ 140 + MPH

"BTR Performance, where Value and the Dollar come together"

 

[Makara]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tom Welch:
Matt,

I feel your pain and here is an offer for you.

Send me your heads and I will do them at cost + 10% for your "guinea pig" sacrafice. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


So what does that come out to? I might be interested.

 

[Cam]

I just Finished a set. dyno is pending. Car feels incredible. If you can wait I will have numbers soon.

 

[Doug Supercharged Vipers]

Matt,

I can offer you good pricing and info on a competition head package if you would like to contact me at your convenience.

Regards,
Doug

 

[Tom Welch]

Ok,

Here is what I will do.

I will require 3 sets of Gen 1 heads. Once we have 3 sets committed we will convert them to the equivalent of our Stage 2 cylinder head package(less rocker arms) for $ 3,000.00 per set.

If we don't get 3 sets the deal is off. To do only one set at this pricing is a loosing proposition for me, If im going to loose money on R&D at least I've got 3 cars for testing purposes instead of one, and with all of the varibles like different dyno facilities, different parts of the country and weather conditions, home grown installers and all of the other factors that I can't control, to do just one set especially when Im not doing the work is not how we prefer to test products.

I will do this deal on a ONE car basis (and PREFER to do so to cut my losses) if the customer will allow me to do the installation and before and after testing at our facility which we have used and know to be accurate. We have sea level weather conditions, and with the winter months approaching our weather conditions can sometimes be ideal.

THIS PRICING WILL NOT BE DUPLICATED AGAIN AFTER THIS DEAL IS DONE!

There it is, you guys asked for a deal, lets hear the excuses now!

Tom
Http://btrviper.com

 

[SEASNAKE]

Matt,

Give Doug a call. He has a lot of experience working heads for Gen 1 cars and will give you the real skinny.

I don't know about the big HP claims. Maybe 30 rwhp without a cam upgrade.

Dave

 

[Matt]

Dan,

Could you e-mail me some numbers?


Also, in a previous Heads and Cam post ( http://vca1.viperclub.org/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000338.html ) it was mentioned that Gen1 Heads & Cam conversions still trailed Gen2 conversions by 25-30RWHP. Can anyone explain why this is still the case once the heads and cam have been modified? At that point there is nothing different between a Gen1 motor and a Gen2 motor, correct?

I'd like to find out if the HP output of a Gen1 motor, at some level of modification, can ever be equal to a Gen2 motor.

Matt

 

[Sniper]

Tom, what would this $3,000 all include?

 

[Tom Welch]

Matt,

This upgrade will include everything that we offer in our Stage 2 Cylinder Head package. Some of the particulars are:

Mopar Performance Stainless Steel oversize intake and exhaust valves

Valve seats

Valve Stem seals

Valve Guides if needed

Custom Titainium Retainers

Locks

Custom valve springs

Port and Polish of Intake and exhaust runners, valve pockets, and cylinder chambers

Surface mill (both block and intake fit match)

Flow testing and data

NO ROCKER ARMS ARE INCLUDED IN THIS PRICE.

Thanks for asking,

Tom
Http://btrviper.com

BTW, Im one of the very, very few tuners who offers any kind of performance guarantee. There is NO guarantee on the performance of these test Gen 1 heads as we have not ported and dynoed a set yet. If you folks want guarantees, see if you can get them from others.(best of luck). Once we have the opportunity to test a set of Gen 1 heads from this offer you can rest assured that our pricing will certainly increase dramatically.