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My 'check engine' light came on yesterday for the first time. I have a 1996 RT/10 that has some N/A mods. Most recently, the cats were removed. The codes it threw were:

P0140
P1281

Anyone know what these are as they don't appear in my service manual!

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if you used the search feature here you would have found this.




not sure what they mean though. a call into chuck tator will answer this. 914-763-3136

Cheers. Thought I'd post just for community spirit. :D BUT, I was looking for more info as to what the codes mean and whether I should be worried... Thanks nonetheless.
 

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I think i used to get the po140 code back when i had cats and tator told me not to sweat it. something about inefficiency cause its cold, but call him and see what he says.

he will need the year and mods to help
 

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looking thru google it looks like a thermostat issue.
P1281 - Engine is Cold Too Long

Engine coolant temperature remains below normal operating temperatures during vehicle travel (Thermostat).
do you have a 170 deg ? and live in a cold area ? maybe ?

im going with bad thermostat.
Alldata, po1281- engine cold too long.
Replace the thermostat.
 
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looking thru google it looks like a thermostat issue.
do you have a 170 deg ? and live in a cold area ? maybe ?

im going with bad thermostat.

I've a fairly recently fitted uprated thermostat (not sure of spec however). And, yes, starting to get colder here. Was about 5C or so when driving it yesterday...
 

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The P1281 is not just that the coolant is cold, it is a signal that the coolant temperature did not rise from a low value to a high value fast enough. Because fuel enrichment and exhaust emissions are higher during the start and warm-up period, the OEMs must get the engine out of the cold start algorithm as quickly as possible.

I experienced this once when the thermostat failed open.

From a lubricant perspective this is also problematic. Some experienced people will note that when the thermostat is a lower temperature, the engine runs better because the ECU runs richer. However, this introduces more fuel dilution and (as a product of normal combustion) water condensation to the oil. The fuel lowers the lubricity and viscosity of the oil; the water attracts many additives and renders them ineffective. In normal operation, most of the fuel and water is driven off when the oil temperature gets high enough, something most drivers cannot know because there isn't an oil temperature gauge. Truly severe case - look at the underside of the oil fill cap during the winter season and notice the white mayonnaise in the rocker cover. That is a water-oil emulsion.

While the above are facts, the following is opinion: In the old days of carburetors and heated intake manifolds, the coolant would run through the manifold to get from one bank of a V engine to the other. In that case, the coolant helped warm-up, but because it heated the intake charge, would decrease the air consumption at WOT. In this case a colder thermostat would allow greater power because the air entered the combustion chamber at lower temperatures. With the current Viper engine, the thermostat is separate from the intake manifold, the fuel is injected at each cylinder, and the intake runners are off of the block, so a colder thermostat doesn't lower the intake charge temperature. Unless the lower thermostat fools the ECU "a lot" I don't think it should make any difference. Again, my opinion is to allow the coolant to rise to the thermostat temperature and then limit the excursions above that. Don't think you are eliminating high temperatures excursions by opening the thermostat sooner if the cooling system is marginal.

Last comment - another argument from the physics side. If the head and block are cooler, they draw heat from the combustion chamber, decreasing power. If the head and block are hotter, they don't **** heat out and keep more energy available for gas expansion and work on the piston. Pro racers (a race longer than 0.25 miles) run around 230F coolant.
 

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