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i have an 01 gts and installed leds in the turn signals of the headlamp which led to my problem. when i put the turn signal on either side in between flash's the other side comes on. i obviously had a fast blinker problem which i resolved with a led relay which only fixed the speed of the blink. then i tried a load equalizers on both bulbs just to see if the oter side would stop coming on. anyone got a solution?
 

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interesting...

I bought some LEDs for my front turn signals as well, but haven't installed them yet.
I'm guessing the power is back-feeding through the ground for some reason. However, the LEDs bulbs usually have a diode in them to prevent that.
 

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interesting...

I bought some LEDs for my front turn signals as well, but haven't installed them yet.
I'm guessing the power is back-feeding through the ground for some reason. However, the LEDs bulbs usually have a diode in them to prevent that.


LED's are a diode and should not be able to illuminate with power applied to their ground unless they are zeners and I do not believe zeners are used in car applications or for LED purposes.

Sorry this doesn't help your situation but I would not chase a ground issue. Install your regular bulbs and verify they are working normally. Make sure you have the right relay as well. Good chance your relay you purchased is the wrong one and it is sending signals backwards. Also make sure the relay you have is pushed in the plug properly. Some relays are able to be pushed in from any direction allowing the prongs to go into the wrong holes. Best I can do with no photos.
 

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I know what an LED is - light emitting diode.
The LEDs used in these new automotive bulbs have zener diodes and resistors built into them. They can actually function if they are installed either way; they are not directional. So yes, back-feeding through the ground is possible.
But it is hard to troubleshoot without knowing the system. I haven't really looked at the wiring diagrams for the lighting system.
 

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I know what an LED is - light emitting diode.
The LEDs used in these new automotive bulbs have zener diodes and resistors built into them. They can actually function if they are installed either way; they are not directional. So yes, back-feeding through the ground is possible.
But it is hard to troubleshoot without knowing the system. I haven't really looked at the wiring diagrams for the lighting system.

Hence the reason why I said I am not sure, I wouldn't think zeners would be used in this application but now that you mention it I have seen some that are able to go in backwards.
 
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It does it with the stock relay or the led specific one, and both relays can only go in one way. once the weather gts nice i might take it to a car electrician. i'm really adament about getting these to work! thanks for the help guys!
 

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It sounds like you are getting some sort of feedback into your marker lamp ckt. Try placing 2 diodes from the marker lamp wire to flasher lamp wire at each light.

Marker wire I< (diode) to >I (diode) Flasher Wire

Try on one side see if it works - side with diode: put blinker on that side - side w/o diode should not flash.

Simply twist the 2 diode's wires together and stick to other end of the diode's wires into the back of the connector end at the bulb.

Good luck!

I better add that this feedback may be there all the time in all of our cars. We just can't see it because the incandescent bulbs (stock) require so much more current to operate that they don't light up - LEDs require/consume almost no current therefore and feedback or bleed thru will be enough to light the LEDs. Reason why you had to put a delay relay in to slow the blink rate - the solid state system sees the no resistance/current consumption and treats the LED as open ckt (burned out bulb - aka: fast blink). Now I'm also betting that you could eliminate the "delay" module by simply putting a resistor on the ground wire to the bulb which would show the necessary load to the factory flasher ckt yet drop the voltage after the LED bulb which would retain the brightness of the LEDs.

I'm guessing these LED bulbs already have this built into them, but what do I know ;)
 
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i have an 01 gts and installed leds in the turn signals of the headlamp which led to my problem. when i put the turn signal on either side in between flash's the other side comes on. i obviously had a fast blinker problem which i resolved with a led relay which only fixed the speed of the blink. then i tried a load equalizers on both bulbs just to see if the oter side would stop coming on. anyone got a solution?

What's the type/model of the low current flash control relay you are using?

I fitted LEDS to my 96 GTS a couple of years ago but DID NOT experience what you've described ALTHOUGH I'm NOT using a LED friendly flash control relay.
Instead I have the original flasher relay with ballast resistors fitted to fool it into thinking normal bulbs are fitted.

Maybe it's something as simple as an earth fault or short happening in the relay base area? :dunno:
 
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