Experiences needed on the Viper GTS

MES

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WOW!! what a nice birthday present you're giving yourself
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It's between a 97 and 98 I assume because that's in your price range? I don't think there is much difference between the two years except the color. The upkeep for most part is very small, oil changes regular maintenance, etc. others have had engines, transmissions etc. replaced so it depends somewhat on the luck of the draw. You have to drive the car with respect/understanding of what its limits are. Going from a automatic Vette to a 6 speed Viper is quite a change, but so is going from a Honda Civic to a Corvette. You just have to adapt to each car, and adjust your driving appropriately. Also let me be the first to say do a search for things you have questions about. This same question gets asked several times a month
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Then ask some more specific questions.

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My 97 GTS is strong, tracked and never had anything other than normal maint. Same goes for my 98 RT/10.

oil is $4.50/qt, takes 8.5 qts.
filter $10
Brake pads start at about $150 front, $150 back.
Diff fluid $20/qt takes 2 plus $7 friction modifier.
Tranny fluid $20/qt takes 4
Grease, power steering, brake, clutch, coolant fluids all normal.
 

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As you will find out alot of us have/had corvettes. As a daily driver the viper is just as well behaved as the C5. I run mine pretty hard and have never had any problems, of course it is new.

I went from a 996 to a C5 to a viper. After owning/modding the viper, I dont know why I wasted my time with the C5 and the 996.

Good Luck. You will not regret it. Just make sure you put it up on a rack and look it over before you buy. If the dealer refuses to let you, theres your answer.

Take care.
 

Anthony - 98 GTS

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Emily,

If you are set on the blue/white stripe color combo you are going to have to stick to a '96 or '97. This color combo was not available in '98.

Good luck in your search and check out the classified section of this forum for some good deals.

Anthony
 

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EmGTS, I can't advise you on older Vipers, but I can tell you my experiences with my new one. I broke it in very gently, and didn't really get on it hard until well after 1000 miles. And not really hard much until 3000 miles. Thats cause vipertech Dave Jenkins told me not to go ******* it for a few thousand miles. During break in, I changed the oil at 200 miles, and filled it up just past the full mark. At the next oil change, (apx 3000 miles), it had only used something like half a quart or so. (It was near the top of the hatch marks, just below full) That is very low usage for the break in period. And the engine screams like a banshee! Breaks rubber in a few gears, I think, cant remember cause my head is spinning around so fast as I launch it, and go past 100 in a blink. ITs scary fast, like, check your pants, cause it absolutely kicks *** .
Its kind of a strange car, and I mean that in a cool way, cause its got a personality of its own. It doesn't feel like a comittee designed it, even though it may have been done by a comittee, it just feels like one person built it. One person with character and individual values. Its an intoxicating car, and I'm so glad I didn't get another Vette. Vettes are great, but a Viper is very different. What else can I say? !!!!
 

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Pull up a chair. You will definitely want to look at a '97 (if it is between that or a '98) for that color combination (blue/white). I would agree with just about everything written above. I would add/modify a few notes:

The Viper can indeed be more expensive to maintain if you don't do a little research first. Many Dodge dealerships charge a lot for an oil change and the non-warranty service for a Viper. $100+ for an oil change is not unheard of. Many owners here change it themselves or buy their own oil at Walmart (often $4.00 a quart cheaper than the dealer) and then take the car to Jiffy Lube. I know a gentleman who takes his GTS-R to Walmart for his oil changes and has never had a problem (not necessarily for me). Many service centers (dealerships and others) see an exotic car pull up and the dollar signs start flashing in their eyes. Check with the local Viper Club members on who they recommend for quality service at a reasonable price. Oh, and most service places have no problem if you hang out and watch the work get done. It is usually pretty interesting!

Not all parts are created, or priced, equally. For a sure fit, many go with Mopar Performance parts for brake pads, etc. These can be expensive, as they are in the Viper catalogue. You can often find less expensive parts with similar and sometimes even better quality. Example would be the airbox clips: I think the Mopar Viper part is around $19 a pop, while the exact same clip for the Chevy Blazer(?) is under $1.00. Check with folks like Woodhouse Dodge and PartsRack for both Mopar and aftermarket parts. On brake pads - I believe both are authorized dealers for Great Brakes and their EBC pads - an entire set of which can be had for less than $200, front and rear combined.

Driving the Viper is an entirely new experience, even when coming from a Vette. While I owned a few older versions of the Vette (big '60's fan), I have ridden in a few newer ones. Prepare yourself for what is largely a street-legal race car. Sure, it has air conditioning, power windows and a stereo, but that is about it. No ABS. No traction control. No active handling/suspension. If you don't use caution, it WILL bite you back. Accelerate on a turn and you will invariably find yourself watching the world go by in circles - it can spin out pretty easily due to the massive torque. Save the "go pedal" for straight lines until you have taken driving schools, preferably with an emphasis on high performance cars such as the Viper. In Colorado, it is not going to be a daily driver. Snow is generally impassable in the Viper. Cold roads or those with a lot of sand on them can also severely test the adhesion of this car. The temperature controls in the Viper are generally cold or hot, as the car was not designed with this as a center point. Don't let anybody fool you - the seats are VERY comfortable for most, even on long trips. If you are new to a six-speed, you need to be VERY, VERY careful not to downshift by accident. During acceleration, a shift from 3rd to 2nd instead of 3rd to 4th can happen and be pretty scary. Learn to shift it well and confidently. Oh, and the pedals are slightly offset to the left. Make sure you know where the brake pedal is so that you don't hit the accelerator instead.

OK, did all that scare you off just a bit? Good! Now for the GREAT stuff about owning a Viper that makes it all worthwhile: The car is a dream to drive once you get the hang of it. It has very precise steering and will go where you want it to. Like acceleration? The Viper is the car for you. This car will pin you back in your seat like no other - one writer referred to it as a "velvet sledgehammer". Take it to a drag strip and have a ball. Learn to drive it at an autocross or a full road course and you will find a whole new addiction. Your adrenaline levels will hit an all-time high and it will take days to wipe the grin off your face. Enjoy a little attention? Better get used to a <u>LOT</u>. Vettes are gorgeous, but not uncommon by any means. The Viper is pretty rare just about everywhere you go. Read these boards regularly so that you can learn the answers to the questions you will be asked almost every time you get gas, stop at a light, etc. Some owners don't like the spotlight, others get a kick out of it. Count on being an "instant celebrity" just about everywhere you go, especially with teens of both genders.

The BEST part of Viper ownership? The Viper Club of America. The VCA connects you with thousands of owners that you can relate to (and a couple you can't
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). It gives you a place to turn to with questions, comments, and maybe even a complaint. Even better, it gives you access to some incredible activities with your Viper: Drag racing, road racing (on a track), autocross, short cruises, long cruises, wine tours, food outings, parties, and much, much more. Oh, and you usually get protected parking to boot! Of course, the ULTIMATE benefit of the VCA are the Viper Owner Invitationals (VOI). These national gatherings are a four day party with every venue available for you and your Viper. Want to race? No problem. Buy nifty accessories from all the major suppliers? They are all there. Talk to the experts from Dodge and Viper Headquarters? You bet. Take a cruise with 400+ Vipers around the more scenic parts of the area? Absolutely. Spend the evening enjoying expensive dinners, live music and comedy from nationally recognized entertainers, and plenty of fun socializing with DC brass and fellow Viper owners? Of course! Once you attend one, you won't dare miss another.

On a final note, when you purchase your Viper, do it right. It is hard to "take it back" if you aren't happy with it. Find one where they will allow you to ride in it, and drive it if you are comfortable (and they are as well). Look for one with a WARRANTY. Many Vipers have extended warranties lasting as long as 7 years. Your '97 may still have three years left of full warranty coverage. Will you need it? Probably not. Most Vipers are trouble-free for a long, long time. Nonetheless, you don't want to find that the Viper you just bought was 20 miles away from dropping a valve. Viper engines are not cheap to replace or rebuild. Not at all. To that end, I would highly recommend you contact one of the dealers that advertise on this website. Many owners here have had absolutely WONDERFUL experiences with Bill Pemberton at Woodhouse Dodge , whether they were located in San Diego or New York. Woodhouse will personally deliver your Viper to your door anywhere in the US and are very fair with their prices (most are surprised at just how fair they are). There is a reason they are one of the largest (if not the largest) dealerships in the US for both new and used Vipers. Of course, I am hopelessly biased since I bought my GTS from Bill and have counted he and Bob Woodhouse as friends ever since. Try him at (800) 889-1893 and see if he doesn't have your car or know where to find it.

Good luck, and be sure to keep us posted on your quest!

Chris, the long-winded guy
 

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I would check out the woodhouse website and contact bill pemberton, he will probably be able to hook you up with a gts at a great price if you could be flexible on color.

he did well by me...
good luck
best wishes


JIM
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Check out http://www.viperclub.org/IVR/viperfeatures.html
for differences between years. a couple things i noticed missing here was the shift knob changed in 98 or 99 and the cam and pistons were changed between 99 and 00 making for a milder idle. some suspect a drop in HP. Don't count out newer vipers if you think price is a factor, it doesn't really seem to be. I've seen 1999 and even 2000 cars for less $ than earlier cars.

I just bought a 99 acr. a couple of things to note. extended warranties are transferable once. factory warranty starts from ship date from the factory, i.e. if your car was built in may and was sold in december the warranty starts from may. extended warrantys may be purchsed if a car is still under factory 36month/36000 miles. I was quoted about $1500 For a 7/70 warranty with $50 deductible. stock is not entirely preferable so don't be biased towards it. exhaust upgrades are common because stock sound not really what you would expect. exaust upgrades are in the area of $1500 - 2000. many upgrades do NOT void warranty. the cars run hot and are hot, even on a cool day you may want to run a/c. i find when driving the car my accelorator foot cramps from holding the car back! it wants to go. i know it sounds silly but apparently there are aftermarket cruise control products. there is no dead pedal to rest your clutch foot. apparently this is going to be added in the 2003 srt-10.

this car is defintley not a corvette, it is a hand full. there is so much power it is really easy to get yourself in trouble. i have gotten a bit sideways just by dropping my attention. i looked at carrera's, corvettes, and came back to the viper. that is not to say it is more practical like those cars can be. i really prefer not to drive it in the rain from both a maintenance and a safety perspective. i wouldn't think twice about doing so with a corvette or a porsche. i really liked the new 996 but it just doesn't do what i wanted a car to do for me, i wanted an exotic and to me the viper defitely fits the bill.

I found my car on the web with 3500 very pampered miles 18 months old from the dealer from the original owner. alot of these cars are pampered, alot are beaten so watch out. there are some great deals on new cars, and some pretty good deals on used cars as well. i got a great deal on a used viper but it came after looking for about 2 or 3 months and was 30 miles from home, which made it all the much better.

anyway hope this helps out. best of luck to you.

Jason
 

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EmGTS- Welcome to the Viper nation! These cars are an addiction, you will love it!! I own both a Gen I and II. I was going to sell the RT when I bought the GTS but I just couldn't do it. They each have their own personalities, they drive different, they handle different...but they both feel GREAT! If you would like to see both and go for a ride please feel free to e-mail me. I live in Highlands Ranch close to 470. I am a member of the Colorado Viper Club, you can sign up even before you own a Viper. Just contact Jim Roppo (303) 280-1553. Good Luck!
 

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I did the same thing... bought my Creampuff for my Birthday
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. Best darn Birthday present I ever got!!!

Bill P. sold me mine and I'm very pleased. If you haven't already I suggest you contact him.

I've never owned a Corvette, but if you want RAW performance the Viper is for you. Go drive one and see for yourself

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thanks for the clarification. hmm could have swore warranty was from date of factory ship..... i'll recheck my records.

Jason
 

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Great Posts! I found this site a week AFTER I bought my '00 GTS but didn't make too many mistakes... I HAVE made a LOT of new and good friends through Viperdom since. One correction for GTzViper, You DO have to be an owner to join the VCA! Have Fun!
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