Gen 1 buddy trying to catch me!

[black mamba1]

For months I kept trying to get my buddy to cruise...and for months he kept saying something was wrong w/ his Viper and kept avoiding me . He was waiting on this or that. Then I finally found out thru a third party...he had Tator mount a killer ass Roe blower on his 95 rt/10, w/ exhaust, roller rockers...etc! (sound familiar MikeR??)

I am sooo happy for him and very proud he has a serious Roe system on his Viper and is now making an estimated 500-550 rwhp....

But..

I am making 528 rwhp, n/a...and my car weighs around 3390 lbs, while his weighs a little over 4100 lbs (he has all kinds of aftermarket stuff, splitters, wings, plus the Roe, etc). With his extra 700 lbs and rear wing...I am still going to kick his ass! I am at 6.42 lb/hp. He will need 638 rwhp to match mine. Plus he has that rear wing and front splitter! W/ that air-brake aka rear wing back there, I think he will actually need like 650 rwhp to match me on roll ons from say 60-150 mph...He still wont run w/ me yet...saying he still has stuff to do. He better be glad the Roe isnt available for the Gen 3's yet! There are some very fast Gen 1s out there.

Any guys have experience running against s/c Gen 1's out there?

 

[Lee00blacksilverGTS]

You may be surprised if the aero stuff is adjusted correctly. Herb Helbig said the 08 ACR will be faster in the quarter mile by a few 10ths DUE to the aero regardless of the extra weight over the regular 08. And I seriously doubt that a wing and splitter is gonna weigh 700 lbs even with the addition of the roe.

 

[Hamrhead]

I am making 528 rwhp, n/a...and my car weighs around 3390 lbs, while his weighs a little over 4100 lbs (he has all kinds of aftermarket stuff, splitters, wings, plus the Roe, etc). With his extra 700 lbs and rear wing...I am still going to kick his ass! I am at 6.42 lb/hp. He will need 638 rwhp to match mine.

Don't be so sure.

I'm not saying you won't be him, but he definitely has the Torque advantage now!

 

[ILLSMOQ]

.....video

 

[plumcrazy]

curious to see the difference in torque

 

[RedEnuf93]

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I'll give a run for any Gen2 or 3...

 

[black mamba1]

You may be surprised if the aero stuff is adjusted correctly. Herb Helbig said the 08 ACR will be faster in the quarter mile by a few 10ths DUE to the aero regardless of the extra weight over the regular 08. And I seriously doubt that a wing and splitter is gonna weigh 700 lbs even with the addition of the roe.

I dont see how and aero package helps in straightline acceleration at all. The downforce created acts somewhat like a wind brake. I think the ACR is quicker in the 1/4 mile due to better traction, less energy absorbed by the chasis from the dig due to the stiffer spring settings, and less rotational mass, and better tires, and it is a little bit lighter. But I could be totally wrong about the aero stuff...

Also, I wasnt saying his aero package weighed 700 lbs, what I meant is that Gen 1 Vipers are like 3900 lbs stock, right? And he has added an aero package, rear wing, and the Roe, that is like another 140 lbs or so. So he is at like 4010 lbs, while I am at 3375 lbs. ( have lemke's 08 hood, which is very light).

So, divide 4040 by 6.42, he will need 629-638 rwhp (approximations) for us to be equal. Throw in the drag caused by the rear wing and I think things get really interesting here. But u guys are right, I also am very interested to see what his torque numbers are. He did the Roe, and exhaust, and roller rockers. That is all I know of at this point, he is being very secretive.
Chuck is done w/ the Roe, but he still wont bring his car out yet. I have a very strong suspicion he is also adding nitrous. If that is the case, game over. I have NO CHANCE!

What are gen 1 w/ Roe, exhaust and roller rockers making at the rear wheels?

 

[black mamba1]

Hey Leo, is your Viper a gen 1?

 

[RedEnuf93]

Gen 1 is 3420 lbs. (not 3900) add roe, maybe 60lbs. Wing does just about nothing at 1/4 mile, unless its bolted upright.

Gen 1 with stock motor and 8lbs pulley will pull easily 550 RWHP and well over 600 RWTQ.

I think it might be a good race...

 

[GR8_ASP]

3900 lbs for a Viper. I do not care what generation the weight does not vary much.
For Gen I try more like 3400 lbs!

Hope your political "facts" are more accurate.

 

[black mamba1]

GEEEZ! I was wayyyy off on the weight, I dunno where I got those initial numbers from. Yes, I double checked and the weights for Gen 1 and Gen 3 are similar. So, the only difference now is the weight of the Roe (like 75 lbs right?) and another 40 or so for his aero kit, he has no water/****, running 8 lbs, and he has full exhaust mods.

Yes, this is going to be a very good race. My cam kicks in like I drop into a lower gear when my rpms hit just under 4000. My power really kicks in where his should begin to taper off. A reliable source says he should be between 500-550 rwhp. I will kick his ass if those are his numbers b/c of his added weight and heak soak...but I thnk he is still up to something.

Stock, gen 1's are running 12.9 in the 1/4 mile, I cannot wait to line em up!

 

[Andrew/USPWR]

Only one way to find out. Take them to the track and run what cha brung.

and make video.

 

[RedEnuf93]

My cam kicks in like I drop into a lower gear when my rpms hit just under 4000. My power really kicks in where his should begin to taper off.
Stock, gen 1's are running 12.9 in the 1/4 mile, I cannot wait to line em up!

GEN 1 with a SC DOES NOT taper off.... It will pull like a freight train from 1200 RPM. If I remember right, my TQ was over 600lbs below 2000 RPM and stayed over 600 all the way to 6000 RPM.
Mine run stock 12.3. (well, with smooth tubes)

 

[GR8_ASP]

GEN 1 with a SC DOES NOT taper off.... It will pull like a freight train from 1200 RPM. If I remember right, my TQ was over 600lbs below 2000 RPM and stayed over 600 all the way to 6000 RPM.
Mine run stock 12.3. (well, with smooth tubes)

Wow, an 8 psi Gen I setup with 700 RWHP (just converting your over 600 ft lb at 6000 rpm). I am going to go out on a limb and guess it was really 500 ft-lbs. Even that is pretty strong for a blown Gen I.

 

[GR8_ASP]

Here is a Gen I with Roe Blower during our dyno day last year.

 

[black mamba1]

Only one way to find out. Take them to the track and run what cha brung.

and make video.

Very True. He has had his Viper for about 8 years, but he rarely drives it. I have had mine for 1.5 yrs, but I drive it 2 to 3x per week. We are both good drivers so I think it should be a really good race. He hasnt dynoed his car yet, so his rwhp is still in dispute.

So, like you say, we just gotta line em up and run em!

 

[black mamba1]

Here is a Gen I with Roe Blower during our dyno day last year.

Any way to make this graph bigger? I cannot read a thing on it. Also, can you include what mods are on the car and what year is the car?

 

[black mamba1]

GEN 1 with a SC DOES NOT taper off.... It will pull like a freight train from 1200 RPM. If I remember right, my TQ was over 600lbs below 2000 RPM and stayed over 600 all the way to 6000 RPM.
Mine run stock 12.3. (well, with smooth tubes)

Geez! 12.3 stock? That is very fast for a 3400 lb 348 rwhp car! Do most Gen 1's run low 12's stock?

 

[Ray W]

My 1995 had factory cats w/dyno-max mufflers stock otherwise down to the air filter. 363rwhp/12.32-12.36 consistant quarter mile e.t.'s. 11.50's w/150 shot of NOS.

 

[black mamba1]

My 1995 had factory cats w/dyno-max mufflers stock otherwise down to the air filter. 363rwhp/12.32-12.36 consistant quarter mile e.t.'s. 11.50's w/150 shot of NOS.

Any idea of what your rwhp was w/ your nitrous shot?

 

[black mamba1]

I believe I can get my car to run 11.4ish to 11.6ish...hopefully

 

[Ray W]

Dyno-jet ,no torque numbers. 368rwhp N/A and 473rwhp w/NOS. Done on the same day within 15 minutes. Drag times are full stock trim,top and windows on. Factory tires 1.6-1.7 60ft times.

 

[black mamba1]

Dyno-jet ,no torque numbers. 368rwhp N/A and 473rwhp w/NOS. Done on the same day within 15 minutes. Drag times are full stock trim,top and windows on. Factory tires 1.6-1.7 60ft times.

Geez!

That is blistering fast for 473 rwhp, especially your 60 ft times. My buddy keeps insisting we only do 1/4 mile runs from the dig...no roll ons. He must know something I dont know.

 

[plumcrazy]

i think the torque is gonna get ya.

when i ran dimitios in his gen2 roe car. we had similar HP #'s but my torque was a lot higher. i killed him when the bottles were full.

 

[Ray W]

If he is a good drag racer,he wants to go from a dead stop for a reason. I'll list the most common. Better tires and or traction(check for drag radials),Better driver(veteran street racer) or doesn't know anything so just tries the opposite of what he thinks you want.

 

[black mamba1]

If he is a good drag racer,he wants to go from a dead stop for a reason. I'll list the most common. Better tires and or traction(check for drag radials),Better driver(veteran street racer) or doesn't know anything so just tries the opposite of what he thinks you want.

He was riding with me when I was racing my other buddy w/ a gen 3. He noticed I was spinning all the way thru first, but it was like 30 deg that night. He made a comment that I needed new tires. But since the weather has warmed, it has been a totally different story and I am sticking pretty good.

He swears he is not putting nitrous on his car, but you think his torque numbers w/ the Roe alone will be much higher than his rwhp?

 

[black mamba1]

i think the torque is gonna get ya.

when i ran dimitios in his gen2 roe car. we had similar HP #'s but my torque was a lot higher. i killed him when the bottles were full.

Wow! Seems like I need to go ahead and put my blower on asap!

 

[Ray W]

Practice for zero tire spin. A little spin turns into a lot of spinning when the adrenaline starts to flow. The guy who gets in front first puts a lot of pressure on the guy behind to make more mistakes to catch-up.

Just put on the Paxton and be ready to take on the world.

 

[black mamba1]

Practice for zero tire spin. A little spin turns into a lot of spinning when the adrenaline starts to flow. The guy who gets in front first puts a lot of pressure on the guy behind to make more mistakes to catch-up.

Just put on the Paxton and be ready to take on the world.

I agree totally. When I come up against a formidable adversary from the dig, my heart is pumping so fast that I usually totally lose it at the start, and fishtail all the way thru first. And yup, when the other guy pulls ahead I fish tail more the other way. I usually catch him, but not until way into third. Not good.

I will deff need more practice with both of us being this close in numbers.

 

[ViperTony]

I agree totally. When I come up against a formidable adversary from the dig, my heart is pumping so fast that I usually totally lose it at the start, and fishtail all the way thru first. And yup, when the other guy pulls ahead I fish tail more the other way. I usually catch him, but not until way into third. Not good.

I will deff need more practice with both of us being this close in numbers.

Keith...believe it or not I was waiting for your call this past weekend. I was ready!!! I had to put down 300 miles all by myself. Maybe this weekend we can practice our launches I know the perfect place nearby.