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[Vipermed 97.01]

Well with all of this talk about air induction we figured now is a great time to introduce this GREAT new product to the Viper market,which will in my opinion be as needed and even more power productive as smooth tubes.As most of you know I have designed a new airbox that is multifunctional in doing what no other air box on the market has done.First let me start by saying that the most productive airflow in any car comes from the frt.facia.For some reason with the introduction of the Gen2 Dodge decided to eliminate this air flow and utilize the NACA duct as its only source of much needed airflo which is pasive at best.The advantage of our box is that it utilizes BOTH the facia and NACA duct,allowing an unlimited airflow.Well, now comes the best part,i know that all of you do not want to spend $900-$1,000 on air induction.We decided to make the factory box multifunctional, and have designed a perfectly engineered and fit access duct allowing airflow directly from the facia to the factory box while still allowing the NACA duct to try its best.This patent pending product is easily installed by removing 4 bolts and the plastic access panel,replacing it with this very asthetically appealing hand crafted airduct, powder coated in blue,silver,black,white,red,gray oh yea and let us not forget YELLOW.This is an untapped source of power that is now avail. to all. Pricing will be $300 per unit.This is the same piece that comes with our Vipermed box but built to fit perfectly into your Gen2 airbox.........We have offered the first 4 boxes at half price to those willing to Dyno before and after.As of now there is one test unit remaining which is red.For all interested please contact myself or Steve Prescott(Edmonton GTS)

 

[Gerald]

Gotta hand it to ya' Scott, always coming up with something....!

 

[GTSnake]

Scott,

I would be interested in the last box. I have a dyno day scheduled for 7/5. Do you think you can get it up here in time?

 

[Vipermed 97.01]

If you dont mind red we can ship tommorow...if that works give me a call

 

[Austin]

Scott, you sure do come up with some great ideas. Keep up the good work!



Austin

 

[Ron]

Very nice Scott. I was working on a similar idea but your execution is much better.

 

[jimandela]

the yellow looks great but i like whole airbox better....
awesome products!!!
congrats!

 

[V10 ACR]

Scott,
I'll take the last one. Dyno day is scheduled for the second week in July. Please e-mail me.

Kurt

 

[viper spray]

Will it work with an airbox that has had the rain baffles removed? How much more HP does it give?

 

[GTS-R 001]

Cycleryan,

It will work with baffleless box, in fact it will probably work even better

 

[Daffy Duck Viper]

Wowy. That's fantabulous!

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[Vipermed 97.01]

As i said on another thread that the complete airbox has removed remaining detonation on some roe cars here on the board.And when i built the prototype and installed on my personal car,the little remaining load detonation was gone,at that point i knew that we had a winner

 

[jp]

The only way to prove more power is probably to do a after and before test on the dragstrip. I did that with my "air" modifictaions, I picked up 1.5Mph in trap speed.

 

[BlueGTS]

By removing the plastic divider aren’t you stealing air slated for the radiator? I always thought that the panel was there to direct air through the radiator. If the path of least resistance is going up and around the radiator the air will do that.

What are your thoughts on this?

 

[ViperJoe]

Since this piece is "hand crafted" metal, couldn't you use one as a buck for an injected molded piece and possibly cut down on production costs thereby reducing end user cost?

 

[Vipermed 97.01]

By removing the plastic divider aren’t you stealing air slated for the radiator? I always thought that the panel was there to direct air through the radiator. If the path of least resistance is going up and around the radiator the air will do that.

What are your thoughts on this

The access panel was originally in place to fund air for the gen 1s so by removing the square panel we are only returning airflo that was once used to feed the engine,robbing little to no flo to the radiator.ironically the gen 2s are plagued with more cooling problems than the gen1s................And Aaron as far as a more affordable molded plastic.Yes that is in the works and will be available soon

 

[VIPERCANE]

Scott, why is your email not working.........I tried contacting you from your website but it shows an error.

Thanks

Bindy

 

[NCVCA]

VIPERCANE,

It's a Yahoo account so if you were sending an attachment that might be why. I just tested it and seemed fine...

You can always call! Phone: 813-294-9886

 

[NDW]

Very nice, you have some unique and functional parts. Keep it up!

 

[ACR Joe]

With air flowing from two sources, how can you be certain this does not lead to turbulence and reduced air flow. Dyno testing is unrepresentative of real world air flow. 1/4 mile testing may be indicative but if only 1.5 mph can be had, gains would be minimal and tough to validate.

 

[GTS-R 001]

ACR Joe,

The air is still coming from the same direct source (the stock airbox) the real difference is that the air that is not coming from the NACA duct is now coming from a cold air source vs. a warm air source ( heat soaked air from the engine bay ), which we all know will equate to more horsepower. We all know this. How many of us have noticed a performance gain when we drive our cars in the early morning "cold air" vs. the warm air of the day, this VIPAIR™ cold air induction duct is the next best thing to a morning drive any time of the day!!!

 

[Vipermed 97.01]

With air flowing from two sources, how can you be certain this does not lead to turbulence and reduced air flow. Dyno testing is unrepresentative of real world air flow. 1/4 mile testing may be indicative but if only 1.5 mph can be had, gains would be minimal and tough to validate.

ACR Joe......Turbulence seems to be a popular word within the viper community lately,but also misunderstood,power robbing turbulance is not created preinduction,if so every time you take a turn, hit a bump,eccelerate,decelerate,ect,ect you would have turbulance.The bottom line is that at the filters there is one path of flow from two sources,seems like a good thing to me. Yes you are right Dyno testing is not indicative of real world gains but lets be honest with each other ,every time a new product is introduced what is the first question asked.............And as far as trap speeds i can tell you now that i have no doubt whatsoever that they will be increased.think about it at 100 plus MPH where do you think that productive airflo is comming from,i assure you not the NACA duct but the facia.And if someone said that i have a 300 product that will consistantly increase trap speeds even if only 2-5 mph,well i think that it is validated.And as far as the earlier comment about robbing cooling air destined to the radiator from the facia well i dont think that i need to go to deep into that other than to say wont happen, perhaps on the contrary as path of flow is created.

 

[DEVILDOG]

Why didn't the Dodge engineers draw air from the fascia? How do you know what kind of air flow changes are being made without wind tunnel testing? Maybe you're changing air pressure flows and creating front end lift and/or negatively impacting radiator efficiency. I think Dodge designed the car that way for a reason and I believe the NACA duct provides all the air the engine needs. Providing more air than the engine can take in doesn't do a thing. I'll stick with the design done by the Dodge engineers/aerodynamics until scientific evidence to the contrary proves a benefit. You may be doing more harm than good IMO.

 

[BADVENOM]

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[BADVENOM]

Nows theres a surprise, you not liking a product made by Scott at vipersbyelite.com

 

[DEVILDOG]

I thought I was raising some legitimate questions that others would also like to know the answers to. Do you or Scott have factual answers? I just don't think that the complete cause and effect implications of cooling, aerodynamics and for that matter engine performance have been investigated and proven pro or con. Nothing personal about my questions and you're trying to make it that way won't change the fact that these questions are unanswered.

 

[BADVENOM]

Am I missing something or what? Last time scott posted a thread on his new facia you called him every nasty name in the book. The he comes up with a new hood design that adds additional louvers in the center of the hood to help with the faulty factory removal of heat under the hood. Where were you then! I think you are the one who needs to take a reality check!

 

[Vipermed 97.01]

I thought I was raising some legitimate questions that others would also like to know the answers to. Do you or Scott have factual answers? I just don't think that the complete cause and effect implications of cooling, aerodynamics and for that matter engine performance have been investigated and proven pro or con. Nothing personal about my questions and you're trying to make it that way won't change the fact that these questions are unanswered.

Im sorry i dosed off in your replys did you say that you wanted one in powder coated red or polished

 

[Russ M]

Here are my thoughts if anyone cares.

1). Front facia on any car pretty much is the place where you will find the highest pressure air.
2). Dodge was not interested in air flow when the gen1/gen2 designs were concieved as evident by the horible drag numbers. SRT is different but then again the SRT was designed by the grandfather of the Corola.
3). The additional air flow will probably not result in any hp gain, unless the air forced to go into the throttle bodies. And unless I am seeing something different the air can escape through many wide open spaces where it would loose velocity.


PS. I will be the first person to buy one if there is a power gain from this product on a respectable dyno. But you also have to remember the dyno MUST have adequate high speed fans flowing into the facia, otherwise real world power gains will not be measurable.

 

[DEVILDOG]

That doesn't answer my questions so I don't want one. Go back to sleep and "dream" up some more products that we don't know if they do any harm or good. I'm busy chroming my brake rotors....looks great...do you think it will impact performance pro or con?