LIRacer
Viper Owner
I am getting ready to buy a GTS ACR. What is the difference between a plain (if there is such a thing) GTS and GTS ACR?
GTS vs GTS ACR
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monnieh
Viper Owner
wheels
oil cooler
shocks
springs
5 point harness
smooth tubes
k&n's
no ac/radio without comfort group option
oil cooler
shocks
springs
5 point harness
smooth tubes
k&n's
no ac/radio without comfort group option
FranciscoR.
Enthusiast
NO AC AND RADIO!!!!! ***?????.....lol
C O D Y
Enthusiast
Are you sure about the oil cooler?
You forgot the $5,000 dash plaque.
You forgot the $5,000 dash plaque.
monnieh
Viper Owner
Sorry, not oil cooler, but a oil pump bypass that does something to keep the motor cool at the expense of keeping you cool! 
Now, where did I put my $5k dash plaque?
Now, where did I put my $5k dash plaque?
LIRacer
Viper Owner
How bad is the A/C in the ACR compared to a non ACR car?
Janni
Enthusiast
The A/C in an ACR is exactly the same as a GTS/RT. it just doesn't come standard.
If you are planning to track your car and can find an ACR for a small premium over a GTS, then go ahead. Since you race SCCA SRF, you'll be the type of person that actually CHANGES the shock settings / ride height for different driving types. Otherwise, if you don't, you're paying for the look of the BBS wheels....
Sounds like you are the type of person that should fit well with a Viper - you are looking to drive the car and not complain about it not having power visor vanity mirrors....
Let us know if we can help you find a good car.
If you are planning to track your car and can find an ACR for a small premium over a GTS, then go ahead. Since you race SCCA SRF, you'll be the type of person that actually CHANGES the shock settings / ride height for different driving types. Otherwise, if you don't, you're paying for the look of the BBS wheels....
Sounds like you are the type of person that should fit well with a Viper - you are looking to drive the car and not complain about it not having power visor vanity mirrors....
Let us know if we can help you find a good car.
LIRacer
Viper Owner
Janni,
Thank you. I own a 1972 Vette LT-1. The reason I am selling it mostly is due to the fact that vette owners only like to show or cruise. I took my vette to a show once. Sitting all day long answering inane questions like 'duh...how fast does it go". I'd prefer a do it yourseld root canal. I am selling the Vette and buying a ACR cuz the local Viper guys like to run their cars.
I found a 2000 ACR Viper on Ebay being sold by a Lexus dealer in Florida. Black with silver stripes (the same colors as my SRF). It has 5800 miles and they are willing to let it go for $58,000. Everything Ive seen tells me it is an average price for such a car.
What do you think?
Bruce
Thank you. I own a 1972 Vette LT-1. The reason I am selling it mostly is due to the fact that vette owners only like to show or cruise. I took my vette to a show once. Sitting all day long answering inane questions like 'duh...how fast does it go". I'd prefer a do it yourseld root canal. I am selling the Vette and buying a ACR cuz the local Viper guys like to run their cars.
I found a 2000 ACR Viper on Ebay being sold by a Lexus dealer in Florida. Black with silver stripes (the same colors as my SRF). It has 5800 miles and they are willing to let it go for $58,000. Everything Ive seen tells me it is an average price for such a car.
What do you think?
Bruce
dies
Viper Owner
Did you look in the classifieds? I believe there is a solid red ACR (2001) for sale w/ about 5000 miles, asking price is 56,500 from Ringgold Motors. You can search on them through the forums, they see to be a great dealer and as such probably can tell you everything about the car (I believe the ad says they sold it to the original owner, etc). 2000+ has the "creampuff" engine, and 2001+ has ABS.
DodgeViper01
Enthusiast
In the top bar on the site right under the Viper club logo. It says HOME MEMBERSHIP FORUMS CLASSIFIEDS
Janni
Enthusiast
Bruce,
If you want to daily drive / track your car, I would consider a 2001 with ABS. Not only is the ABS good, the dynamic proportioning that comes with it makes for much better stops even when you don't bang against the ABS. Also, all the frame issue have been settled with the 2001s, so you have no recall issues to deal with and some may be under factory warranty - with the ability to extend. Usually the extended warranties are a scam - but with the Viper - parts are so expensive, it can pay for itself with one tranny / differential.
Check with the Viper dealers on this site - Woodhouse, Ringgold, Tator and the classifieds. You can find a nice car and a local VCA person usually will check it over and be VERY picky for you before you send in your $$$$.
Good luck and WELCOME!!!!!
If you want to daily drive / track your car, I would consider a 2001 with ABS. Not only is the ABS good, the dynamic proportioning that comes with it makes for much better stops even when you don't bang against the ABS. Also, all the frame issue have been settled with the 2001s, so you have no recall issues to deal with and some may be under factory warranty - with the ability to extend. Usually the extended warranties are a scam - but with the Viper - parts are so expensive, it can pay for itself with one tranny / differential.
Check with the Viper dealers on this site - Woodhouse, Ringgold, Tator and the classifieds. You can find a nice car and a local VCA person usually will check it over and be VERY picky for you before you send in your $$$$.
Good luck and WELCOME!!!!!
Thanks...figured out what I was doing. I was just looking at the forums...and the link here for 'Main Index' only takes you to the top of the forums, which is viperclub.org domain.
I typed in the url for www.viperclub.com...and it took me to the page with the menu you mentioned....
I kept looking for links all around here...but, didn't find one. I found the URL for the main VCA page...and got it.
Now...to do some shopping...
LIRacer
Viper Owner
Janni,
Is the 2001 substantially better then the 2000? NOne of the Race cars i drive have ABS.
Bruce
Is the 2001 substantially better then the 2000? NOne of the Race cars i drive have ABS.
Bruce
Janni
Enthusiast
Bruce -
If you want to race - especially T-1 - and be competitive - you have to have the 2001+. it's not just the ABS - it's the dynamic proportioning - it let's the rear brakes actually DO SOMETHING. Much less dive, more controllable trail braking, etc.... Even threshold braking with both cars, the braking on the 2001 is far superior. I am not saying that you even rely on the ABS, but the entire system was redesined for better OVERALL performance. And it's nice to have the ABS becasue it will save your a$$ is you try to pull that late corner pass.....
The $$$ difference isn't usually that much, so I'd do it. In fact, I'd take a 2001 GTS over a 2000 ACR. It's fairly easy to replicate the ACR package and it's debatable that you'd race with the stock BBS's - so it's just a shock and spring change.
Too many positives on the 2001 and a few negatives on the 2000. So unless you are truly hung up on color, get the 2001.
If you want to race - especially T-1 - and be competitive - you have to have the 2001+. it's not just the ABS - it's the dynamic proportioning - it let's the rear brakes actually DO SOMETHING. Much less dive, more controllable trail braking, etc.... Even threshold braking with both cars, the braking on the 2001 is far superior. I am not saying that you even rely on the ABS, but the entire system was redesined for better OVERALL performance. And it's nice to have the ABS becasue it will save your a$$ is you try to pull that late corner pass.....
The $$$ difference isn't usually that much, so I'd do it. In fact, I'd take a 2001 GTS over a 2000 ACR. It's fairly easy to replicate the ACR package and it's debatable that you'd race with the stock BBS's - so it's just a shock and spring change.
Too many positives on the 2001 and a few negatives on the 2000. So unless you are truly hung up on color, get the 2001.
2002_Viper_GTS_ACR
Enthusiast
OR 2002 !!
Also, you leave off the already installed 5 point harnesses Janni, those are important for tracking. also you get 10 more hp and 10 more tq included. You do get the ACR oil adapter, that constantly cools the engine oil regardless of wether or not you THINK it needs to
I own a 2002 and track it, and I am very pleased with it, and I HAVE been around the track in a 2000 ACR also, and I could notice a HUGE difference in the performance breaking between the two.
Jon
Also, you leave off the already installed 5 point harnesses Janni, those are important for tracking. also you get 10 more hp and 10 more tq included. You do get the ACR oil adapter, that constantly cools the engine oil regardless of wether or not you THINK it needs to
I own a 2002 and track it, and I am very pleased with it, and I HAVE been around the track in a 2000 ACR also, and I could notice a HUGE difference in the performance breaking between the two.
Jon
Cop Magnet
Enthusiast
I agree with Janni,
EXCEPT that if you are that serious a racer, and would consider a brake upgrade, aftermarket proportioning valve, and other mods fairly basic--which you might if you are even a mildly serious track ******--then I would forget about the advantages of the 2001+, particularly an ACR. You will be better off saving the money, getting forged pistons that come in an earlier model, and doing your own upgrades. And you won't be stuck with ABS you didn't want anyway.
EXCEPT that if you are that serious a racer, and would consider a brake upgrade, aftermarket proportioning valve, and other mods fairly basic--which you might if you are even a mildly serious track ******--then I would forget about the advantages of the 2001+, particularly an ACR. You will be better off saving the money, getting forged pistons that come in an earlier model, and doing your own upgrades. And you won't be stuck with ABS you didn't want anyway.
LIRacer
Viper Owner
When it cmes to racing I am very serious...I own a SPEC RACER FORD and I run it in the NE Div of SCCA. The times I will track the Viper will be mostly track days and club events.
2002_Viper_GTS_ACR
Enthusiast
ABS you didnt want anyway ?? Wow, didnt know people DIDNT want ABS.
Guess I'm a poser..
Jon
Guess I'm a poser..
Jon
Janni
Enthusiast
Cop Magnet -
The Viper Days GT-1 cars ran ABS WITH a brake upgrade. The advantages of ABS in the Viper are REAL - for all levels of competition and for all brake upgrade packages.
And, should he decide to race SCCA T-1 at some time, the ABS car would be competitive with the Corvettes and the non-ABS car would not be. T-1 - the only real class for a Viper - is a basically stock class.
The Viper Days GT-1 cars ran ABS WITH a brake upgrade. The advantages of ABS in the Viper are REAL - for all levels of competition and for all brake upgrade packages.
And, should he decide to race SCCA T-1 at some time, the ABS car would be competitive with the Corvettes and the non-ABS car would not be. T-1 - the only real class for a Viper - is a basically stock class.
Cop Magnet
Enthusiast
Janni,
Okay. I always heard that a good driver threshold braking properly would beat ABS on the brakes, but I am fairly new to the Viper community (and have ABS).
Okay. I always heard that a good driver threshold braking properly would beat ABS on the brakes, but I am fairly new to the Viper community (and have ABS).
Janni
Enthusiast
on equal cars, or equal brake systems, threshold braking wins by a small margin. Most of us aren't that good.
And, even before you utilize the ABS on a Viper, the dynamic proportioning of the 2001+ cars gives the car a distinct advantage. It senses which wheels can take more braking force (as part of the ABS system) and moves the pressure around such that you get much more rear brake in an ABS car.
Most track rats don't bang off the ABS at every corner, but use it to save their butts or go a little deeper than normal into a corner. But the dynamic proportioning makes every braking zone / corner easier and the car stays level and planted MUCH better than a non-ABS car.
I don't think this advantage was ever publicized that much, but IMO, it was a huge improvement.
And, even before you utilize the ABS on a Viper, the dynamic proportioning of the 2001+ cars gives the car a distinct advantage. It senses which wheels can take more braking force (as part of the ABS system) and moves the pressure around such that you get much more rear brake in an ABS car.
Most track rats don't bang off the ABS at every corner, but use it to save their butts or go a little deeper than normal into a corner. But the dynamic proportioning makes every braking zone / corner easier and the car stays level and planted MUCH better than a non-ABS car.
I don't think this advantage was ever publicized that much, but IMO, it was a huge improvement.
C O D Y
Enthusiast
Janni knows what she is talking about.
Lee00blacksilverGTS
Enthusiast
Another small correction...ALL 2000, 2001, 2002 GTS or ACRs are so called creampuff engines, not just 2000.
46hemi
Enthusiast
There is a new 2001 on MSO on EBAY for $61,900. No stripes but still on mso which I believe will get you the 7/70 warranty. It does have the comfort group which sounds pretty silly on a "race" car.
Janni
Enthusiast
Congratulations! You won't be disappointed!
