HEATING YOUR GARAGE SAFELY

[BADVENOM]

This goes out to the NJVIPER and the viper owner from Michigan in reference to their post on heating their garage.
First of all anyone attempting to install heating in their garage better be qualified. I don't begrudge the do it yourselver, however in this case a licensed and insured professional heating contractor should be the choice.

Reason? Because, if you value your life, your familys life and your property running gas lines or oil lines, for that matter is a job for a professional not to mention, electrical work.
Just for your reference any additional piece of heating equipment
installed in a home must be filed with local municipalities to become on record a part of your home..Lets just say by some freak accident something was to happen, like a fire you would not
be covered in your homeowners insurance policy, not to mention the unspeakable, death..aka Vitas Geralitis..Professional tennis player who recently died of CO AFFIXIATION.
And yes, forced air systems are preferable either gas, oil or
fan coil units because of their abilitys to recover quickly. Garages generally have a lot of cold air infitration.
Always use a vented unit to outside air, doesn't necessarily have to vent into existing chimney as there are direct vent units
by either Modine or Reznor. Check with your local plumbing or Heating Supplier or call a heating contractor.

Last but not least.Do yourself a favor and research before doing.

THE LIFE YOU SAVE MAY BE YOUR OWN

Adam.........Licensed N.Y.C. Master Plumber #1003

May the force be with you!

 

[lleone]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by adam96:
...First of all anyone attempting to install heating in their garage better be qualified...

...Because, if you value your life, your familys life and your property running gas lines or oil lines, for that matter is a job for a professional not to mention, electrical work...

Just for your reference any additional piece of heating equipment installed in a home must be filed with local municipalities to become on record a part of your home...

Adam.........Licensed N.Y.C. Master Plumber #1003
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I hope your flame suit is on because here it comes:

When I first read your post, I was thinking that you were some kind of holier-than-though, preacher-man, overbearing father-figure. However, when I started cleaning up the quoted text above, I realized that your actually one of those union vigilante types who pray upon the truly hard working members of our society by playing to their fears and imposing the attitude in which if you don't over-pay the under qualified "professional", your life and world are going to come to an end. Isn't that tactic more commonly known as "extortion"?

And as for filing requirements of "heating equipment", the governing regulations vary state-by-state, and municipality-by-municipality.

Turning the heat down now, it is nice that beneath your attack on our sensibilities, the core of what you are cautioning is true. However, I object to your way of expressing it and your blatant disregard that quite a few of us who are wealthy enough to afford Vipers have achieved that wealth by being very, very smart in the aspects of our lives.

Lou

 

[CarDude]

Both of my garages are heated. One with a natural gas heater (outside vented with forced air fan - it was permitted) and the other with an electric heater (BTW this is the warmest garage as it is fully insulated because it is a detached garage and the Viper lives here). My question is how does your insurance know if there are heaters or not if it is an electric unit like my second garage?

Should I call my city government?

 

[Tiepilot]

I didn't read his post or interpret it as you did lleone.

Personally I use qualified people for jobs like that simply because they know what they are doing. I wouldn't want him to work on my computer network but HE is gonna do the plumbing and electrical. BTW... You can sue them to death if they screw up, who fault is it IF you screw up.

 

[99 R/T 10]

"if you want something done right, you gotta do it yourself". That said, If there is something that is beyond my capabilities, then I will hire a pro. My $.02,

Mike

 

[lleone]

"Well Duh!" I didn't mean to infer that hiring the appropriate talent isn't the way to go. I objected to the fear tactics used in the initial post. That's all. State the facts, don't preach.

Lou

PS: I'm kinda on the rag today... sorry guys.

 

[Tiepilot]

Hey Michael you seen any whirly-birds or flyin' egg beaters lately!

 

[BADVENOM]

Listen IIeone or mama leaone or what ever you call your self. Let me set you straight. I am a independent private heating contractor not as you infer " A Union Vigilante type who pray upon truly hard working members of our society by use of fear tactics". As a matter of fact I left private messages to both vca members to call me so I could help them if they decided to go it on their own. I am a member of the hard working middle class who finally got my own viper. Get a life!

HEY LOU TRY A TAMPEX NEXTIME!

 

[Jim Hodel]

Sorry Adam, I thought your post was a bit on the 'scare tactic' side as well - the same kind of rhetoric I heard from so many subs while building our house.

I don't doubt that you are a qualifed sub-contractor who would do an excellent job, but after contracting all the work on our house, my wife and I have come too the conclusion that you, unfortunately, are in a minority and that at least half the subs are just winging it.

If I decide to get heat into my garage, I will hire a professional, more because I am lazy then because I think putting in a heater is fraught with dangerous possibilities.

Jim

 

[lleone]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by adam96:

I am a member of the hard working middle class who finally got my own viper. Get a life!

HEY LOU TRY A TAMPEX NEXTIME!

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Adam,

Don't whine. It's really not becoming. I explained myself and then even offered an apology. Learn to be gracious. You might want to also grow some thicker skin or at least buy a flame suit.

And as for "Licensed N.Y.C. Master Plumber #1003", you're not licensed in my town nor qualified to speak as to the particulars of our zoning, fire code, and inspection regulations. Stick to NYC, your safe little haven of over-burdensome bureaucracy and don't state things you know nothing about as facts or I shall be forced to believe that you and EXEXMALIBU are one-in-the-same person.

Lou
(now where ever did I put that life of mine...)

 

[George Murray]

"Pray" on? Must be some lingering altar boy trauma you had, dude.....just kidding. "Prey" is the correct spelling.

I have a 1650 sq ft detached garage at home, 3000 sq ft at my shop. I use a 150K BTU 'bullet" heater in both, and also a smaller standalone (non-bullet) kerosene heater at home to maintain heat after the bullet heater warms up the place.

Yeah bullet heaters smell bad and they're loud, but they're great for burning the dead bugs off of my Viper front bumper caps because that Zaino stuff, while great, just doesn't keep the skeeters off.....

 

[lleone]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by George Murray:
"Pray" on? Must be some lingering altar boy trauma you had, dude.....just kidding. "Prey" is the correct spelling.
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D'oh! That's a funny slip-up! You should see my personal web site sometime... I think I have more than a little "altar boy trauma". I got caught up in the "preacher-man" mode and guess "pray" was on my mind.

lol...
Lou

 

[NJVIPER]

Hi Adam:
I just got home from work about 1-1/2 hours ago.
I did not want to call you so late.
You covered part of my topic which would have addressed the gas forced air issue.
I was thinking about tapping into the existing housing gas forced air ducts and routing it into the garage.
Also, I was not sure if it was possible to put an independent thermostat just for the garage since it would need less heat than the rest of the house.
What do you think?
Thanks,
Tim

 

[Joe Bliss]

Yes you can put a seperate thermostat in your garage. A company called Arzel Zoning makes an aftermarket system that is added to an existing forced air system. You can create seperate thermostat controlled zones throughout your house (or garage). This is NOT a DIY job, requires additional duct work, bypass ducts, computer, air actuated dapers and proper air balance. It is a GREAT system. Your local heating contractor can help. If not send me a private message.

 

[lleone]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by adam96:

Get a life!

HEY LOU TRY A TAMPEX NEXTIME!

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Truly impressive adam96. I am in awe of the depth of your wit.

For the rest of you, if adam96 were really interested in your safety, the first thing he would have "suggested" is that you maintain at least one properly functioning CO detector in your garage at all times. Not to mention your house. But alas, he apparently must utilize the threat of death. I can only suppose that this in protection of his livelihood. It is a shame that he is not better skilled at selling his services.


future viperclub.org outlaw,
Lou

<FONT COLOR="#ff0000" SIZE="1" FACE="Verdana, Arial">This message has been edited by lleone on 01-25-2003 at 07:43 AM</font>

 

[NJVIPER]

Luciano!!!!!
Be nice.........

 

[Tom and Vipers]

Licensing means essentially nothing - it is a way that local governments get money.

The majority of contracters are "average" as it is with all groups of people. Excellent ones are hard to find especially if you are new to an area.

Unfortunately, some local governments require a licensed contractor to do many types of work. This is again, aimed more at revenue rather than public safety. (It also eliminates liability lawsuits against the local gov so again it is revenue based.)

But since most people nowadays don't own a hammer or Crescent wrench, this is all academic.

And then, I must admit, many people who do their own work do no better than chimpanzees!

So again, the skilled individual is "criminalilzed."

 

[BADVENOM]

Hi Guys,
First, NJVIPER, give me a private message and we will talk about utilizing your existing central heating/air conditioning ducts for your garage. By the way thanks for sticking up for me,
but I can handle anything Mama lleone has to offer.

Second, this goes out to lleone. You know for someone who claims to be apologetic you have a funny way of showing it. I guess this is how you get rocks off by making a mountain out of a mole hill. Lets just let it be already!

I come from a family owned and operated business just like my friend Chuck Tator who I happened to visit today to drop off my precious snake for some mods. My father god bless his soul, instilled in me the same values he had. I wasn't using the skull for any other reason than to let them know that when it comes to natural gas be careful, pressure test any gas lines installed new just to check for possible leaks or sandholes in the fittings as I have seen it happen.

As for local licensing, Yes most general contractors only need insurance and pay a fee for their license but in N.Y.C to become a licensed mater plumber you have to have at least 10 years experience before you can qualify to take a civil examination involving both practical and written
tests lasting over two days, so don't tell me about licenses being worthless and not well earned. Maybe its different in your area Tom and Vipers!

Please don't link me to Mr. CAPITALS..MALIBUEXEC OR EXECMALIBU..That guy is a real troublemaker.

Cheers All

 

[NJVIPER]

Thanks Adam...You have mail!