My supercharger car was extremely loud; you had to yell at somebody on the passenger seat to hold a conversation, and besides all the dirty looks people gave you when passing them.
I have never understood the intent, or purpose, of a quiet Viper.
I also agree that dollars of this magnitude are a major factor for most Viper owners. Saving for a twin turbo set up is, realistically, probably not in the cards for the majority of people owning these cars. Spending considerably less for a Roe type set up achieves at least a good portion of the 'feel good rush' that comes with more power. I would venture a guess that even those with a twin turbo, and making BIG power, eventually yearn for more. It's a never ending cycle. The old 'Too much HP is never enough' adage is a very valid premise. Adding more power equates to more BIG money.
Steve
Firstly, I would like to agree wit Bob about the difference between how much harder a turbo car pulls cmpared to a blower car.
Congrats on your Heffner twin turbo!
Steve, I agree with you about wondering about the people wanting a quiet Viper!
I also agree with you about saving for a 30K twin turbo is not realistic for most people. 30K is a lot, but here is what you have to consider: there are quite a bit more parts to a turbo system than a blower. I recently helped a customer do an install and the parts filled up the entire rear seat area of my quad cab pickup truck and a good amount of the bed area as well!
The Roe is excellent for the initial portion of the feel-good rush!
I set out to make a DIY twin turbo system that would upgradeable from say 650 RWHP to 1400+ RWHP from the most basic to the most extravagant.
I am counting on the old 'Too much HP is never enough' adage to inspire/motivate regular guys who get into my entry level TT(for slightly more than the Roe blower making the 650 RWHP) to upgrade to the next level.
I have seen the Viper owners lose money changing to the next hottest thing for years now....... 35K for heads and cam, gave way to 35K DLM supercharger systems, then Roe blowers hit the market at the 8K price range but were/are not capable of making the power the intercooled centrifugal systems made without the aid of nitrous.
Everybody went crazy when Heffner came out with the 17K intercooled vortech JT trim supercharger systems. They were making 900+ RWHP along with the DLM Supercharger systems.
Then turbo systems came along and had quicker ET's and higher MPH at the track with similar peak dyno #'s due to the greater area under the curve.
So to put it into perspective, I have seen people spend good money going from the 35K heads/cam all the way to the 30-35K tuner installed footwell mounted T-03/T-04 hybrid twin turbo systems.
With my system, people can get my basic front mounted (entry level, full T-04 turbos), Intercooled Twin Turbo package making 650 RWHP at around 5 PSI.
My turbos are mounted up front and look stunning when you open the hood. The air filters are located behind the foglights pulling cool air. There is never any need to buy another tuner's system after this as it is fully upgradeable to a pair of 1250 HP each turbos. For those wanting more than 2500 HP, we can do some modifications and go even bigger!
Unfortunately the block will not hold that much power anyway yet...
Anyway, my whole goal is for the average Viper guy to be able to get into an entry-level twin turbo system instead of losing money going from heads/cam to blowers to turbos.
I can get JGK to post some pictures of a recent installation I have done to show the changes I have made in the system since the last pictures I had posted.
In regards to Torquemonster's post, I can say from personal experience that he is right on the money as usual......I did not get what I thought I was getting on many levels. It was very sad to say the least and I have learned a valuable lesson. Anybody wanting to give me a hard time about mentioning this here will force me to give the details out again that I just want to leave behind.
The good thing though is that everybody is learning more and more every day and I am sure the competition result in higher quality standards which will benefit all the HP junkies out there.... The torque junkies too!
If anybody would like to contact me via cell phone, please feel free to call me @ 630-878-3907.