I will never buy iForged rims again

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I've never heard anything good about iForged wheels, and I've heard lots of similar stories.

They look good - and look even better when the price is so much lower than HRE. But in the end, you get what you pay for... :(
 

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I have had iForged issues, but never wth anything other than time to get my hands on their products. Quality has never been an issue. Same deal with HRE.

Take whatever either of these manufactuers quote for time and do as follows:

iForged: time x 1.5
HRE: time x 2.5
 

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thats a crazy ordeal, i think its best to stick with vendors that have a great history.. or get wheels made for you by a custom shop
 

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I was told by Boabby Archer that CCW wheels will not be allowed on the track at Viper Days events next year. They have been having issues with cracking. HRE wheels are already banned.
 

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all metal fatigues over time ... there is no exception to that rule and wheels are in a high stress environment ....
 
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There are certain wheel sthat are designed for the street and others for the track. The track wheels spread the load more evenly and are more rigid. Even John at CCW will tell you what wheels he recommends for the road course and which he won't. I have had CCW wheels (many sets) on my race car for years and have had ZERO issues. There are reasons wheels crack like Luke says they are items that have a finite life cycle and need to be checked and replaced occationally before something could happen like anything on a car that sees the track.
 

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For real driving enthusiasts there aren't many feelings that equal the excitement of running laps on a race track at their vehicles' limit. And while race tracks were once only accessible to race prepared cars, today many car clubs and professional driving schools allow drivers to learn more about high performance driving as they run their street cars (with relatively few modifications) on the same tracks as their racing heros. For that matter it is not unusual to have more track time (enough to drive several hundred track miles per day) at a typical club event or driver's school than most actual race weekends. And while it's common sense that track use will increase the wear on a car's tires, brakes and shocks, there are less obvious critical components which also wear out ...like its wheels! Yes, wheels do wear out...or better stated, they fatigue.
Because wheels are so critical to the driver's safety, top racing teams visually inspect their wheels at the track, monitor the total number of hours they are used, and crack test them on a periodic basis. Any wheel that shows signs of fatigue or age is discarded and replaced. For that matter Indy Car sanctioning bodies require that their race participants' wheels meet strict standards when new and that previously used wheels be recertified before every 500 mile race.
Unfortunately the same rigorous wheel inspection procedures are not typical for many driving enthusiasts who use their vehicles on the track. Maybe it's because wheels are so trouble free that they are often overlooked! But if let go for too long, wheels that are subjected to high stress track conditions can fail.
When it comes to wheel fatigue it is important to remember that it is caused by a combination of the frequency and magnitude of the stresses it encounters. While small stresses can be accommodated for thousands of cycles...large stresses accelerate the wheel's fatigue factor and the number of fatigue-free cycles is significantly reduced. So what is it about track use that reduces the life expectancy of wheels? Lets explore some of the important factors:
All wheels flex as they are driven through a corner. In normal street driving the amount of flex is minimal. However since today's DOT legal competition tires almost match the performance of yesterday's racing tires, every corner that is taken at the limit on the track causes significantly more flex. It's the combination of the extra tire grip and the resulting extra flex that fatigues wheels faster when used on the track. And don't forget that spins, running over the track edge curbs and unintentional trips through the run off areas add their own unique extra stresses.
During track use, wheels will often reach temperatures never encountered on the street as they help dissipate the brake heat. This constant cycling between the ambient temperature and the extremes encountered on the track can increase the fatigue rate of alloy wheels.
In normal street driving wheels are typically removed from the vehicle only when the tires are being rotated (typically every 5,000 miles) or replaced (typically every 25,000 to 40,000 miles). But when used on the track wheels are typically removed from the vehicle at the start and finish of each day, as well as, anytime the vehicle's brakes or suspension are being serviced. Additionally DOT legal competition tires wear out and are replaced much more frequently than normal street tires. These extra tire mountings and vehicle installations can increase wheel fatigue as they wear out the wheel's lug seats and the vehicle's lug nuts/studs or lug bolts/hubs.
So what should track drivers do to take better care of their wheels and minimize the possibility of wheel failure?
Before going on the track

Make certain that the wheel's installation hardware is correct for the vehicle and in good condition. Since almost all of today's cars are designed with hub centric wheels which transfer the vehicle's load from the center of the wheel to the car's hub (and allow the lug nuts/bolts to just hold the wheel against the hub), it is important that track wheels continue to be hub centric to help distribute the forces encountered on the track. If an aftermarket wheel requires special centering rings to properly fit it to the hub, be sure they are installed and installed correctly.
When any non-Original Equipment wheel or lug nut/bolt is used on the vehicle it is important that there is sufficient thread engagement between the lug nuts/bolts and the vehicle's hub. Its acceptable to increase the thread engagement by installing longer wheel studs in the hubs after verifying that the lug nuts don't bottom out on the studs. However if the vehicle uses lug bolts they must maintain as close to the original amount of thread engagement as possible. Longer lug bolts may cause interference with the parking brake or other components inside the hub.
Always torque the wheel's lug nuts/bolts to the hub using a "star" pattern until the vehicle's correct torque value is reached.
NOTE: If wheel spacers which are thicker than the height of the hub are used, they also need to be wheel and hub centric to help distribute forces.
After coming off of the track

At the end of every track day the wheels should be allowed to cool, cleaned front and back, and inspected for minute cracks, impact damage and runout. At the first sign of a crack appearing (regardless of size or location) or an indication the wheel has been bent it should be removed from service and replaced with a good wheel.
Every time new tires are mounted, each wheel should be inspected to verify that it is round and true. If it is found to be bent, it should be removed from service and replaced with a good wheel.
If the wheel has been used for for an extended period of time you may want to have a local machine shop professionally crack test it in the off season before considering subjecting it to another year of track use.
Wheels are a critical component to your car. However because they tend to fatigue slowly, periodic inspection will usually reveal the signs of aging and use (such as minute cracks in the wheels spokes or near the bolt holes) long before they can become a serious problem. However if overlooked, once a crack has formed it will concentrate the stresses in the weak area and allow the crack to spread until the wheel fails.
It is important to note that track use and/or participation in racing voids the manufacturers' warranties of all street wheels.
 

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It is important to note that track use and/or participation in racing voids the manufacturers' warranties of all street wheels.

Not so for Forgeline wheels. There are quite a few of their wheels that are warrantied for track use.
 

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I just ordered a set of IForged Monaco's , I'll let you all know how they turn out. Ive heard good things about them.
 

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I was told by Boabby Archer that CCW wheels will not be allowed on the track at Viper Days events next year. They have been having issues with cracking. HRE wheels are already banned.


CURRENT FACTS ARE IMPORTANT HERE....Old news and old grudges are WRONG and they die hard.

--Bobby Archer is not affiliated w/ Viper Days any longer. He is apparently closed.

--Viper Days Has a rigorous inspection process that has found cracks in almost EVERY type
of older wheel RACED. Age Matters; Track Miles matter; Regular service of multi-piece matters; Tires matter. "VIPER DAYS" vs "VRL" MATTERS !

--OLD, original abused wheels of every manufacturer are "banned" if they wont pass off-car inspection. BUT NOT THE ENTIRE LINE OF WHEEL! SETS of ANY WHEELS THAT WONT PASS INSPECTION ARE BANNED...3-piece wheels that are not properly re-torqued will expire prematurely and NOT PASS INSPECTION. Esp tru if run with "Stickies."

-- CCW Wheels are NOT banned. The original 17" low-bolt count CCW wheels were problematic and wont pass inspection, and some failed. NEW 1-pc CCWs are NOT banned and never were. Viper Days has NOT had failure of the CCW 1-pc wheels.

--- The old 96-97 CAST wheels were once banned, but now may be allowed WITH NEW INSPECTION and treaded tires. (John) Archer Racing does the fee-inspections. NOT ALLOWED VRL, but OK Viper Days.

--HRE WHEELS ARE NOT BANNED.....but the 'poser-show' style are not allowed to run on SLICKS. Treaded Tires only, and HRE is providing test data to see if that will change for 2008. Competition Series HREs NO PROBLEM.

---Years ago HRE did have a common and bad habit of promising 3 weeks and shipping in 6+. NO LONGER TRUE. OLD TRUTH, but NOT TRUE NOW. This year they are usually + / - 3 days of promise date. Tes, Some ship early.

---Chrome Issues: Metalurgy aside, (the process makes aluminum brittle,) CHROME COVERS DEFECTS. CHROME DEFEATS bolt and bead seals. CHROME LEAKS more often. DONT CHOOSE CHROME for TRACK WHEELS.

-- PartsRack offers HRE, FORGELINE, Speedstar, CCW, BBS, Lexani-Asanti. As HRE's #1, and Forgeines top-3, we administer any (rare) warranty issues. ANYONE WHO SAYS HRE HAS 'LOTS OF PROBLEMS' HAS A PERSONAL AXE to grind (I forget if Volvo-Audi, but its personal.) Grudgers and Grinders are NOT being truthful. Misleading Viper owners out of grudge-holding revenge is wrong. This internet pitfall means YOU MUST EDUCATE YOURSELF from places that are willing to sign their name, and stand behind what they say.

--Forgeline warrants their track wheels, and extends the warranty 1 year on VRL series wheels!

-- If you buy old abused CRAP off of fencing websites, you are not going to have a warranty, and your "no history" wheels might not pass track inspection at Viper Days or any bona-fide race venue. Chrome is like Lipstick on a pig.......it can cost your life if a seller chromed cracked wheels, and you lose a center.

I stand behind the above FACTS, and my true name is Jon Brobst.......
 
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Dawg2Snake, I just read this thread about iForged rims and think its worth bumping back to the top for the ordeal they put you through. No viper owner should buy rims from them after treating a VCA like that. I really hate "Gestapo" companies who think they can do what they want.
 

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Dawg2Snake, I just read this thread about iForged rims and think its worth bumping back to the top for the ordeal they put you through. No viper owner should buy rims from them after treating a VCA like that. I really hate "Gestapo" companies who think they can do what they want.

Just remember you are getting one side of the story. I have Iforged and have been very pleased with there service and product. I will definately buy Iforged again.:2tu:

Like anything though, there are good and bad. Every vendor has had a bad experience,its the way it goes.
 

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I also had a bad time with Iforged... I really don't think I would go through that again...

Joe
 

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Definately thanks for the heads up. I don't think I have ever had any aftermarket situation go 100%, especially with TOMSWHEELS.
 

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