I'm convinced Motor Trend hates the Viper (Video)

[DMan]

You're a forum racer and I didn't see you get 11.6 in your "bone stock GT500", and you are definitely overstating the GT500's real world 1/4 mile performance on average. Even if you did land high 11s, a lot of people are stuck in 12s. Driving technique matters and a lot of people don't have a solid technique since they only race occasionally, for fun. Nothing wrong with that.

It's also pointless to suggest that just because a brand new car doesn't have many aftermarket performance options YET, that it will not in the near future. Like I said, a "bone stock" Gen 5 will likely beat a "bone stock" GT500 in a drag race and definitely in a road race. Driver skill matters, but let's not involve too many variables since we're just talking about the cars themselves.

Another way to look at it is, whether or not the GT500 can beat a Viper in the 1/4 mile is less important than the fact that the possibility exists for the race to go either way and if the Viper lost, it would still be very close. On a road course the GT500 does not stand a chance against a viper; it would not even be close, it would lose by a mile...so the Viper can beat the GT500 at it's game - drag racing - but the GT500 is totally outclassed when asked to play the Viper's game - real racing.

We're in total agreement, my friend.

GT500: Motor Trend got 11.6, Car and Driver got 11.7, AutoWeek got 11.7 using LC - at the same track I got my 11.6, using the same technique they did.
Gen5: best mag time to date is 11.3. Last time I checked, that's way quicker than an 11.6-11.7. And that's just mags.

Difference is, GT500 IMO is about as good as it get at an 11.6 or so, not because thats what i got and im that good, just because it'd be hard to beat what the LC does manually, a pro maybe, but not much IMO. The gen5 at 11.3 I can assure you there are guys right here that'll do better than that, I expect one of our good shoes to log a 10.XX.

At Laguna, the GT500 was 4 secs behind the TA, that's a different class kinda difference. But that's not really the whole story cause the brakes as stock on the GT500 have great calipers and horrible rotors and start fading within 3 laps. Ask me how I know. LoL. So in a trackday session, it'd be worse than 4 sec difference over 20 laps. So it's waaay fun, still in the top 20 production cars around Laguna, but easily lapped by a Viper given a full session.

I would note that the GT500 was faster around Laguna than the 2012 MB SLS AMG. Not bad for a 'stang, but uh yea, it ain't a Viper.

 

[DMan]

What I said about dyno testing remains true and accurate. If you want to start another thread about that topic and get your ass handed to you again like nineballs and his buddy did, be my guest. You'll be nitpicking at technicalities in no time trying to save face, and still be wrong.

Not sure if you detected the sarcasm in the last post.

Must be a technique for those 10 sec Civics you speak of, maybe we can share a canopy at a trackday one day and you can learn me bout them 4 bangers.

And my posts are sprinkled with sarcasm through out, it's all in good spirit.

We're more alike than different, after all - we both love the Viper and think MT is bonkers. That's serious common ground.

 

[kratedisease]

Here goes the first diversion from the original thread again. What does a Porsche have to do with his Motor Trend or Viper vs SLS thread.

Mr. VIPER GTSR 91, please note that mentioning other BRANDS on this forum is not against the rules.......at least not yet !!!

 

[PeerBlock]

Must be a technique for those 10 sec Civics you speak of, maybe we can share a canopy at a trackday one day and you can learn me bout them 4 bangers.

And my posts are sprinkled with sarcasm through out, it's all in good spirit.

We're more alike than different, after all - we both love the Viper and think MT is bonkers. That's serious common ground.

I'd really like to get my viper onto a road course. I've been doing the drag racing thing for a while and I'd just like something new and more challenging.

The important thing to know about 10 sec civics is that driving around in them is like coming out of the closet...after they surprise everyone at the track for a moment people realize they're still pretty ***.

 

[Nine Ball]

What I said about dyno testing remains true and accurate. If you want to start another thread about that topic and get your ass handed to you again like nineballs and his buddy did, be my guest. You'll be nitpicking at technicalities in no time trying to save face, and still be wrong.

Why did you have to bring me into your banter? The only thing I learned from your infamous 3rd gear 1:1 thread is that you are a blowhard that learned everything about cars from reading "Cars for Dummies".

 

[PeerBlock]

Why did you have to bring me into your banter? The only thing I learned from your infamous 3rd gear 1:1 thread is that you are a blowhard that learned everything about cars from reading "Cars for Dummies".

I was hoping to get a free jar of Nine Ball's Special Reserve Dyno Smoothing Gel to apply to my Viper's drive shaft before I put it in for a dyno.

 

[ViperGal]

It is a magazine. It is simply about advertising dollars. He who advertises and spends the most gets the most 'editorial review' advertising as well. Their opinions are bought not factual unfortunately. Have no fear .. the truth will always set you free. We know we rule the track and the street!