if Evan Smith was driving this whole discussion would be different
Forget Evan Smith, we need 1BADGTS. Where's he at? Someone light up the sphincter signal and let's get him in here.
if Evan Smith was driving this whole discussion would be different
Forget Evan Smith, we need 1BADGTS. Where's he at? Someone light up the sphincter signal and let's get him in here.
Thanks, I realize the toe link was relocated,..... but to suggest we need to drive the car harder than Randy in order to get that list bit is asking a lot. I still believe SRT needs to tweek the suspension. I did re read the article and I couldn't find where they had turned off the 4 stage stability controls.
Now I know why the new GenV is so ugly, it has been getting a beating at every track from the ZR1.
Are you aware of the major design flaw in the valve train of the Ls7's? , those motors pop on a regular basis, excessive valve guide wear
Is common, blown motors are common, btw the LS9 has shown excessive wear as well, it is only a mater of time until those start popping as well.
All this racing talk, people seem to forget that the Ls motors are ticking time bombs.
OK Guys,
Being a present Viper owner and having bought and owned pretty much every generation of Viper made, I think I can make an accurate assessment of where we are at on this whole issue.
The Vette "feels" easier to drive at the limits, stated by Pobst, admitted to by Gilles, so we can consider this a FACT
Solution - maybe get a driver that has not spun a viper to drive both cars so there is no perceived limit? But then, Gilles even admits you have to push past the point of perceivable danger and he Viper will reward you.... I would say that maybe a few adjustments are in order so the new Viper "feels" less dangerous at the limit??? This would only help sales, not hurt it, it would help give the Viper a better reputation if people felt confident driving it versus scared of it. Either way, I would say this is a place that SRT should look at and focus on, making the Viper feel better is long overdue and if any changes can be made to do this should be done, the changes will reap the rewards of higher sales
If Sales are the goal, I personally think it is a mistake to tell everyone that a Viper will reward you if you push past where it feels safe, why not just make it feel safe?
The Vette comes with Carbon Ceramic Brakes, a $10,000 option, ($1700 each rotor to replace) The Vette out braked the Viper, whether the Viper was losing its brakes or not, is supposition, but I can see that maybe the Pobst/Viper in trying to compensate for not "pushing to the edge" Pobst overcompensated by braking harder and earlier which easily cost the Viper some time. So what is the solution? Bigger brakes? ACRX Brembo rotors and bigger pads? Brake cooling?
It looks like everybody at SRT should know what to do, maybe the track pack needs to come with a track alignment, brake cooling, etc. Simple, cheap changes that can result in a win versus a loss.
This is grossly overexaggerated. There were literally thousands upon thousands of z06's built and the "tracking" of blown motors due to the valve guide issue represents maybe 1%.
The Trefeo R's are out, my business partner has them on his Lambo SL. He loves them.
Listen, as a viper guy, I understand you want to see this contest result in a win, but listen to yourself. You're essentially claiming a record holding racecar driver is a coward. Secondly, you want a kamikaze to step in, because you believe it will result in some winning time,mwhen I can tell you all it will result in is a wrecked Viper. Lastly, you speak as if this is a choice SRT made and could simply alter. The things that make the car have these characteristics arent exactly issues you can up and change on a whim...they are design integrated.
Even above all this, you need to think in the proper perspective. Even if this magical driver were put in the seat, 99.9%+ viper drivers are going to lose to a zr1 in a comparative scenario. The corvettes are simply cars that are easy to go fast in...bottom line. Vipers have always had the rep of being a bit sketchier to handle, but accept the car for what it is vs the corvette.
Its more exotic, is close enough in performance that it really isnt worth talking about and its a viper.
Well that's because Randy stated that they were all off in the comments section, I have read almost any and all comments and threads about this so took me a while to find it...
from Randy Pobst
2 days ago
@rava2286 Good comment, rava2286 Bring 'em on, I say, and all they get is five laps on a green track. All stability controls off on both cars, as we do with all cars where it is possible for track testing. All natural, I call it. That way we see how it REALLY handles. You are quite correct about the slip angles and the confidence. The same is true for race cars. Confidence comes from control, and control allows the driver to more fully fill the friction circle. In other words, to use more of the maximum grip of the tires, all the time. That is the secret of speed.
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Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests..._zr1_srt_viper_gts/viewall.html#ixzz2FYkoL3BI
Obviously reading comprehension is not one of your strong points,
I personally think that the way to offset the brake fade that was represented in the article is to add a few $$$ worth of brake cooling apparatus, it works on race cars that have the exact same brakes as on this viper last an entire race so it will work on this car, the ducts are already there, it just needs some hose and some shrouds, not rocket science here or a major design flaw that cannot be corrected, just needs an hour of labour and a few pieces of hardware.
The fix for the suspension is a better track alignment setting, again, not rocket science and if you can read you would see that that is what I was asking for them to do, set it up properly so it inspires confidence vs breed fear.
"tracking"? lol the quotations tell us all we need to know about that percentage.
Everybody knows Z06's have been going boom. Stock ones, modded ones. I know 6 people personally and of more people what I see at the track that have blown LS7's. Shop cars, shop customer cars, you name it. Mods ranged from completely stock, to tune, exhaust to heads cam. LS7's are not reliable motors, ESPECIALLY modded. LS3's are even worse. GM may have remedied some of the issues, but unless we quiz every Corvette that dumps oil on the track, we will not know which year it was.
Please ask him if he got them in the U.S., and also where. Thank you.
I know more than a few of us are waiting.
Not that this will really help me as I am waiting for Tire Rack to get in my new O.Z.'s and that also won't be until spring.
The "tracking" that exists is that of a forum thread. For that matter I've been at Viper days where Vipers have puked an engine as well. I'm not saying that the LS7's don't have an issue, but put a set of heads on it for 1500 bucks if you're that concerned and you don't have a problem to worry about, even if you are in the small percentage that may have a problem. I've had countless Corvettes (stock and modded to 600+hp) and every one of them has been the most reliable cars I've owned next to daily driven Honda's. This is simply an issue that's been blown way out of proportion. I go to track events year round with Z06's everywhere and I've literally not seen ONE failure of an engine. I go to Corvette only race events at Leguna and Road America and never saw one Z06 drop. I build Factory Five GTM's turnkey and have used crate LS7's and LS3's and haven't had the first issue aside from an LS7 blowing a head gasket at the track due to an overheat condition, which is more the design issue of the FF GTM than anything.
All I'm saying is, you're talking about thousands upon thousands of cars, and there's a concentration of what...30 people on forums saying theirs blew up. That hardly represents the entire line. Fact is, you're talking about a pretty potent car for essentially no money. You can buy a C6Z in the 30's and you're generally going to be the fastest car at the track that isn't substantially modified or several times more expensive, if you're capable as a driver.
MMMMMM more times out needed during this post
Which I guess begs the question - why they even did it at all.