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[JAY]

The main difference is Daytime Running Lights (Module Controlled ,30 seconds to change)
Bumpers in Canada Rated to 5 MPH , U.S 2.5 MPH (Most manufacturers go to 5mph)
Child seat teather strap for rear seats .
Speedo Requires kph , My US Car has both mph and kph .(kph being secondary and acceptable in Canada ,no change)
Emissions are tested in Ontario every 2 years , my U.S. car passes No Problem.
For the slight variances Most Car Companies build to one standard to keep things simple .

What is the difference between a US Viper and a Canadian Viper,

Used to be gauges in metric first (but still dual), car seat hook and daylight running lights, anything else?

What is the difference now, if any?

 

[chorps]

Great point as perspective is an interesting thing .Anyone who had a GEN 4 will tell you that the interior was TERRIBLE in a 90plus k car. The guys i know interested in the 5 were afraid the stock interior would be subpar for a 110k car and went for the upgrade.Inturn they were adamant they were not interested in a 110k car with an interior equal to or slightly better than the 4 . .I was trying to take individual perspective out of the equation by referencing what the competition was offering .We all want the car to succeed and the point i was making was from an OVERALL BUYERS VIEW (not an individual buyers view )of whats expected in a car costing 110-150k.The only way to do this is reference what you competition is offering at that pricepoint. Yes a base model optioned is 110k then again whats a base model GTR or ZR-1 .Personally i wouldnt touch either one (not my taste )but as isaid iam not looking at this from a personal standpoint but from a standpoint of whats need for the 5 to be successful.

You keep saying the upgraded interior should be included on the base SRT. I haven't see any Gen V interior yet, but I'm OK with my Gen IV interior (functional but certainly not great). What's wrong on the SRT Viper that is considered to be brutally bad that the GTS interior should be included...the ballistic cloth seats?

 

[HOLLYWOOD1]

Not a US situation , but a US and Canadian situation. There are tons of folks ticked off about the supposed North American Free Trade Act , and we all know that is a joke, but to blame the US or Chrysler is not reasonable. It is virtually the same with other Corporations and it stems from both Governments.

1. US cars must meet 50 State US standards, not standards for any place else, hence whether we all like it or not ( and I don't like it ) it is a legal situation, hence coverage is not valid if it goes to Canada. The warranty is not valid if it goes to Germany ( for instance ) either. As ridiculous as it may seem, out of Country means just that, so whether it is next door in Canada or the example of Germany, no warranty.
2. Canadian government will not do this either if it goes out, as it meets standards for there. Same situation occurs.

If there is protectionism it is both Governments, and frankly that is the case , and like everyone here I think it is ridiculous with two Countries that are such good neighbors. But to blame Chrysler is naive, as you might as well start blaming all the other Automobile Corporations. We have a Ford store and the problem is the same. The reality is it is a Government issue and both involved are guilty.

The reason behind price differences , which will seem even more foolish when the cars are so similar, is the cost of certifying , for Canada. With 50-70 cars that are handbuilt each year, for the Viper, figure the likely irrational cost. Again red tape in Canada, and requirements, mean two virtually identical cars have minor little standards , yet by the time one does all the paperwork, stickers, mandatory changes, costs are incurred that are quite ridiculous for only a few cars. Want a concrete example, look at how one State ( California and CARB ) can delay things with one little standard change.

There are many in the Automotive Industry that would like this changed, but the underlying feeling is it is caused by Dealers on both sides of the borders wanting continuity, and not having a loss of customers from one Country to another due to currency changes. Years ago floods of Canadian cars came to the US as the Canadian dollar was worth much less. Now it often goes the other direction and Canadian Dealers are not excited about US cars coming up there. Whether true or not, it is not a situation where one Government is to blame -- it is 100% joint.

Jay, Chorps and Bill; I know of CDN Chev/GM dealers bringing up brand new US ZR1'1 to sell in Calgary yet they will give warranty. Something is up here as the fine threat sound like complete bull as these dealers are doing it up here....GSL to be exact. Something clearly is not right as when I brought my new/used US bought Viper back to Canada and once I got it certified by CDN Tire and I needed warranty the CDN dealers screen lit up red and he said "oh this is a US car so no warranty for you, you will have to take it back to the US to get warranty" so having a house in the US I took the car back to the US for warranty to which the dealers screen lit up red again and he said " oh this is a CDN car so you cannot get warranty here you will have to take it back to Canada" ....bottom line is this nonsense is really a joke and I never did get the signal switch fixed as the left signal would not turn off when turning a corner even though I had paid for the switch to be replaced. (Thanks to Mark he sent me the part which I had to pay for but I still had to pay for labor in Calgary, (Mark = outstanding) To this day no one knows why the signal won't turn off when going around a corner but Mark seems to think it is something to do with the suspension setup....?? Now the regulator is gone and I am on my own for this also. (another joke as Chrysler/Dodge/SRT should have owned up to this manufacturers defect long ago). Bottom line is whether anyone wants to believe this or not the "separate" business units in Canada and the US still eventually roll up to the parent company.

 

[JAY]

Thankyou Hollywood1 ! For Validating my post ! One of many examples where at Corporate level ,customers are quickliy dismissed ! Mark is a great Guy ,I have had great service from him and other franchise employees . I live 20 minutes from the Challenger Plant , But if I drive 45 minutes to Buffalo N.Y. and bring back a Challenger , IT Will have Zero Warranty on a New Vehicle . As chorps post shows ,other Manufacturers at Corporate level take the High Road . Even if they just offered the parts for free and let the owner pay for labour to fix his New Viper that would go a long way ! IMO.

Jay, Chorps and Bill; I know of CDN Chev/GM dealers bringing up brand new US ZR1'1 to sell in Calgary yet they will give warranty. Something is up here as the fine threat sound like complete bull as these dealers are doing it up here....GSL to be exact. Something clearly is not right as when I brought my new/used US bought Viper back to Canada and once I got it certified by CDN Tire and I needed warranty the CDN dealers screen lit up red and he said "oh this is a US car so no warranty for you, you will have to take it back to the US to get warranty" so having a house in the US I took the car back to the US for warranty to which the dealers screen lit up red again and he said " oh this is a CDN car so you cannot get warranty here you will have to take it back to Canada" ....bottom line is this nonsense is really a joke and I never did get the signal switch fixed as the left signal would not turn off when turning a corner even though I had paid for the switch to be replaced. (Thanks to Mark he sent me the part which I had to pay for but I still had to pay for labor in Calgary, (Mark = outstanding) To this day no one knows why the signal won't turn off when going around a corner but Mark seems to think it is something to do with the suspension setup....?? Now the regulator is gone and I am on my own for this also. (another joke as Chrysler/Dodge/SRT should have owned up to this manufacturers defect long ago). Bottom line is whether anyone wants to believe this or not the "separate" business units in Canada and the US still eventually roll up to the parent company.

 

[HOLLYWOOD1]

Not a US situation , but a US and Canadian situation. There are tons of folks ticked off about the supposed North American Free Trade Act , and we all know that is a joke, but to blame the US or Chrysler is not reasonable. It is virtually the same with other Corporations and it stems from both Governments.

1. US cars must meet 50 State US standards, not standards for any place else, hence whether we all like it or not ( and I don't like it ) it is a legal situation, hence coverage is not valid if it goes to Canada. The warranty is not valid if it goes to Germany ( for instance ) either. As ridiculous as it may seem, out of Country means just that, so whether it is next door in Canada or the example of Germany, no warranty.
2. Canadian government will not do this either if it goes out, as it meets standards for there. Same situation occurs.

If there is protectionism it is both Governments, and frankly that is the case , and like everyone here I think it is ridiculous with two Countries that are such good neighbors. But to blame Chrysler is naive, as you might as well start blaming all the other Automobile Corporations. We have a Ford store and the problem is the same. The reality is it is a Government issue and both involved are guilty.

The reason behind price differences , which will seem even more foolish when the cars are so similar, is the cost of certifying , for Canada. With 50-70 cars that are handbuilt each year, for the Viper, figure the likely irrational cost. Again red tape in Canada, and requirements, mean two virtually identical cars have minor little standards , yet by the time one does all the paperwork, stickers, mandatory changes, costs are incurred that are quite ridiculous for only a few cars. Want a concrete example, look at how one State ( California and CARB ) can delay things with one little standard change.

There are many in the Automotive Industry that would like this changed, but the underlying feeling is it is caused by Dealers on both sides of the borders wanting continuity, and not having a loss of customers from one Country to another due to currency changes. Years ago floods of Canadian cars came to the US as the Canadian dollar was worth much less. Now it often goes the other direction and Canadian Dealers are not excited about US cars coming up there. Whether true or not, it is not a situation where one Government is to blame -- it is 100% joint.

Good explanation Bill and I get this but why are we allowed to bring cars into Canada from the US that are over 1 year old and could have next to nothing for miles on the clock yet have the certification in their country of origin? One year can't possibly make the difference when the certifications are still slightly different in Canada and the US yet that all goes out the window once the car is "used"?

As for the Stryker Red fiasco I had this same thing happen to me in 1980 when I tried to order my red L-82 corvette which I ended up getting anyway. I went through the same I'm pi$$ed at GM forever thing but really this is life and these things happen. We have people jumping cues in health care in Alberta for colo-****** cancer screening because they have a name and us joe schmoes have to wait 2 years or more. The fact is I feel bad for Mike but enough whining about this for a 14K dollar paint job car where we have no confirmed idea that only 2 will come to Canada. I call B$ on this as SRT will probably step up but really 14K for a extra special paint job....you have to really be kidding when a Nissan GTR has a premium paint for 3K for their silver paint. Pretty neat but even this is enough as Silver is not my thing but guys spending 14K for a paint job must have rocks in their head as really they must have more money than god or just plain must have this car at any cost. Mike get over it and be patient as I had the same problem and I wanted to call everybody from the president of GM Canada to the guy that took my deposit and sold me the car. Stuff like this happens and that all there is too it. I say just go buy a GTR as you will kick the new Vipers butt anyway...just kidding.

 

[HOLLYWOOD1]

What is the difference between a US Viper and a Canadian Viper,

Used to be gauges in metric first (but still dual), car seat hook and daylight running lights, anything else?

What is the difference now, if any?

That,s about it all that CDN tire checked was that the driving lights worked. The speedos are dual and the hooks were in the US car so not a whole lot of differences at all. Really nothing to worry about to prevent the cross border thing from happening.

 

[Bill Pemberton Woodhouse]

Lastly , this is not just a Chrysler thing. Most manufacturers do not warranty vehicles moved from the US to Canada. Not trying to beat a dead horse as I agree it is ridiculous, but it is all based on Government regulations in the US and in Canada. The vehicles are built for specified Countries and things do not transfer.

This is not just a special paint , it is a three phase project. Ferrari is 40K for theirs , Porsche can be all over the place for paint. We all need to realize this is a bonus , as SRT would never consider this in the past. It should portend great things in the future , where we will be able to get custom paint jobs like so many have requested of Chrysler.

Cars that are used can be sent anywhere, as they are no longer under the Franchise rules for GM, Ford, Chrysler, etc., since a used car could be sold by anyone. Government mandates ( legal issues ) says a new car is subject to sale only in the 50 US states. A Dealer can not sell outside his contract without repurcussions. Used opens up all kinds of Dealers ( new , used, brokers ) and individuals and there is no contract with them, hence a used vehicle can go across the border ,to the Middle East, wherever.

 

[JAY]

Bill , for the Record , Ford did warranty new cars brought back , Chrysler did Not Warranty even used cars bought back, North of the border. This is a Fact !!! My friends at the franchise level had no help from Corporate ,and thus dismissed there customer . I know you have great service at the Franchise level , but North of the Boarder corporate is not as favorable !!!

Lastly , this is not just a Chrysler thing. Most manufacturers do not warranty vehicles moved from the US to Canada. Not trying to beat a dead horse as I agree it is ridiculous, but it is all based on Government regulations in the US and in Canada. The vehicles are built for specified Countries and things do not transfer.

This is not just a special paint , it is a three phase project. Ferrari is 40K for theirs , Porsche can be all over the place for paint. We all need to realize this is a bonus , as SRT would never consider this in the past. It should portend great things in the future , where we will be able to get custom paint jobs like so many have requested of Chrysler.

Cars that are used can be sent anywhere, as they are no longer under the Franchise rules for GM, Ford, Chrysler, etc., since a used car could be sold by anyone. Government mandates ( legal issues ) says a new car is subject to sale only in the 50 US states. A Dealer can not sell outside his contract without repurcussions. Used opens up all kinds of Dealers ( new , used, brokers ) and individuals and there is no contract with them, hence a used vehicle can go across the border ,to the Middle East, wherever.

 

[Bill Pemberton Woodhouse]

Jay,

We have the 2nd Largest Ford Dealership in the World, and they do not cover out of Country either. Have numerous occasions where folks had problems. As noted it is a legal problem, and it goes both ways -- we have had Canadian Fords down here , bought there and transferred to the US and no warranty coverage. There was coverage in years past for virtual all manufacturers and as noted if a Canadian registered a car in the US, since he/she has a US residence, and goes in for warranty service in Canada ( if it still shows US registration ) it will be covered. The problem is most have to switch over to a Canadian registration and once done, the warranty goes out the window. I remember years ago getting coverage done on a Viper bought in Canada and purchased by a gentleman in Iowa. Warranties were honored then, but not anymore with the government laws on what constitutes a US car or a Canadian car.

 

[chorps]

Brands are referenced from http://www.apa.ca/CanadianWarrantyinformationonnewcarsboughtintheUS.asp unless noted below.

Warranty for US Cars imported to Canada (maybe not all the bonuses but you get a warranty)
Audi
BMW
Ford
Ferrari (http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/canada/288747-import-ferarri-into-canada.html)
Jaguar (http://www.goodcarsolutions.com/manufacturer'scanadianhomepages)
Land Rover (http://www.landrover.com/ca/en/lr/vehicle-import-process/import-vehicle/)
Mazda
Porsche (http://halifax.porschedealer.com/canadian_owners/index4.php)
Toyota/Lexus
Volvo

No Warranty
Honda/Acura
Chrysler
Hyundai
Kia
Lamborghini (http://www.lamborghini-talk.com/vbforum/f4/canada-importation-must-read-14439/)
Mitsubishi
Volkswagen

Warranty with caveat
Aston Martin (http://www.goodcarsolutions.com/manufacturer'scanadianhomepages)
GM
Nissan/Infiniti
Mercedes Benz
Subaru

 

[ViperSmith]

Now, is your warranty voided if you even enter canada with the vehicle?

What if I live in NYC and have a place in TO, what gives then?

Bizarre stuff.

 

[chorps]

Now, is your warranty voided if you even enter canada with the vehicle?

What if I live in NYC and have a place in TO, what gives then?

Bizarre stuff.

No, Canada isn't like Cuba or North Korea to Americans

However, needing warranty work for a vehicle registered out of country will probably initiate a lot of paperwork at the dealer performing the work.

 

[ViperSmith]

No, Canada isn't like Cuba or North Korea to Americans

However, needing warranty work for a vehicle registered out of country will probably initiate a lot of paperwork at the dealer performing the work.

just curious, but it is just as preposterous as denying any warranty work for it because it is registered there

 

[Bill Pemberton Woodhouse]

Very interesting , and what is the date of this file? I do know we have severe ramifications for selling outside of the US by Ford, and hence one never does anymore. I will stand corrected if this is the case ( on the warranty), but it is a moot point as this came up about selling Vipers from one Country to the next and Dealers are still not going to take the chance of selling a new car in Canada -- due to fines and a consequential audit.

If one could sell Fords and carry the warranty, that would be a good reason for folks to pop for a GT 500 or Boss in the US.........finding a Dealer willing to take the risk is the apparent issue. Thanks for the post - live and learn, especially if it is current.

 

[chorps]

Very interesting , and what is the date of this file? I do know we have severe ramifications for selling outside of the US by Ford, and hence one never does anymore. I will stand corrected if this is the case ( on the warranty), but it is a moot point as this came up about selling Vipers from one Country to the next and Dealers are still not going to take the chance of selling a new car in Canada -- due to fines and a consequential audit.

If one could sell Fords and carry the warranty, that would be a good reason for folks to pop for a GT 500 or Boss in the US.........finding a Dealer willing to take the risk is the apparent issue. Thanks for the post - live and learn, especially if it is current.

Seems like Ford has let Canadians bring up US cars from as far back as 2007 (in terms of warranty validation) as far as I can see.

Some recent stuff here about Fords coming up.
http://forums.780tuners.com/showthread.php?130706-Importing-a-Ford-into-Canada
http://forums.themustangsource.com/f813/us-spec-2012s-cleared-import-into-canada-496027/

This site helps (by selling a guide ) imports cars for Canadians, and they've even named a few Ford dealers so I'm thinking no dealer would be so brazen as to let this go if it was verboten. I guess you can check with them to see what the policy is, or if they are using some kind of funny business to avoid the wrath of the Northern Dealerships.

http://www.ucanimport.com/Dealers_Brokers.aspx
-Cal Worthington Ford - Ford, new & pre-owned (Irvine)
-Bison Ford - New and pre-owned Ford, Toyota and Lincoln (Great Falls)
-Pallotta Ford Lincoln Mercury - Ford Lincoln Mercury, new and pre-owned (Wooster)
-Price Ford Lincoln Mercury - Ford & Lincoln, late model or pre-owned (Port Angeles)
-Sound Ford - Ford, new or pre-owned (Renton)

 

[Bill Pemberton Woodhouse]

Not an issue for used , and be great if we could sell New, but we were instructed not to sell outside of the Country to avoid penalties. I find this interesting as heck since I have battled selling new stuff up North for years. We know Chrysler is not going to work, but if there is even a slim chance Ford can be done ( hopefully their criteria in reading out of the Country is based on overseas and not on the North American Continent ). Thanks for the info and I sincerely hope I am completely wrong - won't be the first time or the last. Thanks for posting and damn I hope you are right, though I will be frustrated over all the vehicles I could have sent over the last few years,ha.

 

[1BADGTS]

Not an issue for used , and be great if we could sell New, but we were instructed not to sell outside of the Country to avoid penalties. I find this interesting as heck since I have battled selling new stuff up North for years. We know Chrysler is not going to work, but if there is even a slim chance Ford can be done ( hopefully their criteria in reading out of the Country is based on overseas and not on the North American Continent ). Thanks for the info and I sincerely hope I am completely wrong - won't be the first time or the last. Thanks for posting and damn I hope you are right, though I will be frustrated over all the vehicles I could have sent over the last few years,ha.

Bill off topic but you will get a kick out of this (being a NEBRASKS FOOTBALL FAN ).In 2003 i mentioned being invited to a test session of the prototype FORD GT in which i brought CP.John Coletti was a big football nut and he actually let CP wheel the car.CP WAS THE FIRST EVER CIVILIAN to drive a Ford GT .(LOL you could pay him enough to buy a two seater anything as he is a big MB AMG four door guy.

 

[ACRucrazy]

Soooo back to Chrysler cancelling the OPs order for some big wig buddy system deal...

 

[JAY]

One last note Bill , Ford did cover me for a new 2005 Mustang and new 2008 mustang( bought in 2007) . My Viper in 2005 was not covered . The legal arguement doesn't add up . Other manufacturers cover warranty . I am just an average guy , who has imported about a dozen vehicles over the last decade . And with very little effort ,met Federal requirements , inspections , and all legal bylaws. Yet some manufactures make this out to be a Big Deal ???? The only thing not covered by some manufacters was warranty . Sorry but it still does not add up . I for one have no problem importing vehicles and meeting Federal regulations and legalities , will just have to factor in who will cover warranty and who will not .

 

[Bill Pemberton Woodhouse]

Jay,

The legal issue is that Franchise rules for most manufacturers state you can not sell outside of the 50 United States. With Chrysler and some brands once a Dealer ignores this and does sell outside he is open to penalties/fines and often it incurs an audit. I railed for years on the stupidity of not being able to trade across borders , as it is an issue that makes no sense. I know of a couple of Dealers that have paid enormous fines for selling outside the US, but it seems foolish to include our next door neighbor ( different if shipping to China for instance ). Either way, it appears some Manufacturers are more lenient than others, but as you mentioned you just buy the ones that will cover a warranty. Great and shame on me for the assumption that all had gone that direction. But in the end, we can't sell Vipers across borders, either way, so that is it in a nutshell. There are other companies that follow the same procedure, and my bad for assuming all, as it appears some may let it slide. Surprisingly I am on your side, but we are limited to selling used Chrysler vehicles only and there is no reason to try anything else at present.

 

[ViperSmith]

IMO it makes perfect sense, protectionism for Canadian dealers.

Much like MA auto dealers are protesting Tesla's model for selling cars.

But, it is protectionism by Chrysler, not the Canadian govt.

 

[JAY]

Thanx Bill for your Humble approach , I would not hesitate to buy a used Viper from you . Was Hoping someone at the High Corporate level , would see this as a way to take the High Road and change policy . Having worked at a few franchise Chrysler Dealers , I know what your up against, in regards to Chrysler policy .

Regards Jay

 

[chorps]

Soooo back to Chrysler cancelling the OPs order for some big wig buddy system deal...

All we know is that it could have been a yarn spun by the dealer to CYA because they made a promise to the OP and couldn't deliver. No one knows for sure which way the wind is blowing in Canuckistan.