POP (radar) mode explained

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Some people have wondered what the POP mode on radar units is.

The following is from an advertisment by MPH Industries, a maker of radar units:

"POP Mode quickly measures speeds and then automatically shuts down faster than a detector can see the radar. Speeders never get alerted, so they can't so down before you can measure them, no matter how close or far away they are."

I wonder if anyone ever did a test on the V-1 to see how the detector measures up with their new POP detector mode.

~Craig
 

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I'm thinking someone should manufacture some stealth based paint at this point. Then put some type of glass that absorbes radar waves. Come on entreprenuers get to work! I'll buy it!
 

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The newer V1s do indeed detect POP.

Also according to MPH...the POP mode is NOT to be used for writing citations...just for monitoring traffic speed. Apparently, it won't hold up in court.
 

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I got hit with POP in Conn. this weekend my V1 never went off thank God the car came with a K40 built in and that went off.It freaked me out so bad that Monday morning I sent in my V1 and should have it back tomorrow with the upgrade.
 

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The latest version of the V1 has POP, but I'm sure there might be a problem with it coming with a K40 built in. LOL.
 

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Are you saying the latest version V1 doesn't come standard with K40 detection?
K40 detection? "K40" is a competing brand!
 

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I need to quit while I'm behind here. No digging any self respect out from this point.

My concern here is that the V1 didn't pick off a radar hit that the k40 did, what do we do at this point, have TWO detectors going? I know that sounds rediculous but hey, full coverage of all freqs and ranges would be nice.

What to do?
 

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Dan, I see a lot of cars with two detectors, but I don't think that is neccessary if your Valentine 1 is set up with the POP upgrade. Mine probably doesn't have it, so I gotta send it to Valentine for the POP revision. Thats a good thing about V1's, they can be upgraded.

But what are you gonna do if the POP goes off, anyway? Slam on your brakes? :D
 

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I apparently need to POP upgrade my V1, too, but I have the same question as Vic. If POP can't be effectively detected by a detector AND can't be used to presecute a speeding violation...then what's the point here???
 

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I apparently need to POP upgrade my V1, too, but I have the same question as Vic. If POP can't be effectively detected by a detector AND can't be used to presecute a speeding violation...then what's the point here???
Your average joe doesn't know about POP and gets the ticket. His radar never goes off, so he thinks that he just wasted 100 beans on a best buy special Cobra detector (which, he really did :laugh: ). Anyways, he never knowes that the cop used POP and therefore will not fight it for the POP reason. Likelyhood is that he will just take dd, and call it a day. More money to the county/state.
 

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Here's my understanding.

The Police are supposed to use POP for "monitoring". Meaning...they can use POP (that most detectors don't see) to "find" a violator. The idea is that when they actually hit this vehicle with the "real" radar signal...it's too late.

Detecting POP is a big deal, as you will hear it as traffic in front of you is being "monitored". Just like with any radar, you need to have traffic in front of you to be hit first. If you're the first in line...you get as much warning as if you were the condemned waiting for the guillotine blade to fall....you'll know it's coming but there's nothing you can do.
 

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So the Valentine1 that is equiped with POP detection will actually let you know that it was POP instead of the enforceable (Ticket type radar)? What? A different type sound or something?
 

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If you go with the Bel RX65, it monitors POP and has other cool features that V1 does not have. You get added functionality for less money. My 2 cents.
 

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Dan...yes. I have yet to hear mine go off in POP, (maybe it has and it offers the same warnings for the different bands) so I can't say what the sound is.

A bit more on POP detection from the Valentine site...

"Valentine One has full-time POP™ Protection. Just plug in, light up, and you’re covered. Why should it be any other way?

It shouldn’t. But certain famous brands have “Selectable POP.” It’s a special operating mode you must activate. Otherwise you’re not POP protected.

There’s only one reason for Selectable POP—the “famous brands” company doesn’t have the technology to make a full-time feature you can live with. Why? Because those detectors poorly distinguish real radar from a thicket of false alarms. So they give you “Selectable POP.” Use it if you can stand it.

V1’s warning range on POP is beyond the others, too. They trim back warning range on POP to reduce false alarms. V1’s superior engineering gives range on POP that’s beyond them, and beyond line of sight.

The “famous brands” cover only Ka band, too. V1 provides coverage beyond Ka—specifically the MPH Industries models Enforcer™ (K and Ka) and the BEE™ III (Ka).

Probably you’ve noticed that many other detectors create false alarms that set off your detector. Hundreds of thousands of badly engineered detectors from BEL®, Cobra®, Radio Shack® and Uniden® spew local oscillator harmonics that are very similar in character to the POP burst used by MPH Industries. Ordinary detectors aren’t clever enough to reliably distinguish between them."

It's your own decision, and as PatentLaw says...this is just my 2 cents as well. The V1 is the only unit with arrows to let you know where the threats are coming from...very helpful. The V1 is built inside a magnesium case, not plastic.

FYI...I have read on some sites that the POP being left on in the RX65 causes lots of falses.

Furthermore, I have read on some sites that POP is in such infrequent use that it's not really much of a threat. Again, as I understand it...they can't write citations on POP anyhow...so they would have to use regular radar on cars ahead of you...and you would her that.

In closing this rather lengthy post...I can say that only V1s can be update by the maker at a reasonable cost if indeed technology changes...which it will. Mike Valentine is a bit of a nut when it comes wo keep ing his product at the forefront.
 

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One thing most won't ask is "what type of radar was used to pickup my speed?" If the cop writes the ticket and you go to court to fight it, how are you going to prove oneway or the other which was actully used? The cop will either lie or say he didn't record it and you're going to pay anyway. :(
 

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I apparently need to POP upgrade my V1, too, but I have the same question as Vic. If POP can't be effectively detected by a detector AND can't be used to presecute a speeding violation...then what's the point here???

Because if detect the POP, you know he is there and looking for speeders, so you slow down before he follows it up with the regular radar, thus avoiding a ticket (except for situations like 99 RT/10 mentions).
 

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Dan, I see a lot of cars with two detectors, but I don't think that is neccessary if your Valentine 1 is set up with the POP upgrade. Mine probably doesn't have it, so I gotta send it to Valentine for the POP revision. Thats a good thing about V1's, they can be upgraded.

But what are you gonna do if the POP goes off, anyway? Slam on your brakes? :D

Mine does not have POP, and you can check yours on the Valentine 1 website, just put in the serial # and it will tell you whether it lacks POP or is otherwise outdated.
 

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As I just bought the car, I am just now getting ready to buy the Valentine so I'll go for the latest version no doubt.
 

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I have the POP in my V1 and it had saved me recently. I was with ACR Steve in Conn. when the V1 didn't go off, but he has an older version. Don't know which one detects first but I guess we'll try when he gets the upgrade.

V1 is the best for the money, but the K40 is an awesome unit that seems to detect better from the rear.

If any of you guys want to get a quote on a k40 install, we do that here....stealthy:) Why I like the K40, but my V1 has yet to let me down!
 

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POP may not mean a hill of beans seeing as how many times I see a possey of police with an officer sitting on top of a bridge with laser. Had it happen today and the V1 with Laser did not even go off. Got lucky in that I am now paying closer attention to the overspans.
 

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Just bought a new Bel RX65. It has pop detection and some other cool features. It and the new ****** are suppose to be the best out there. The Valentine is old technology.
 

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Just bought a new Bel RX65. It has pop detection and some other cool features. It and the new ****** are suppose to be the best out there. The Valentine is old technology.
Unlikely. Perhaps my old 1995 Valentine-1 is old technology, but a new V1 is not. Nor does your belief in Bel/****** marketing hype seem to agree with the more believable (and recent) testing I've seen. In any event, my money's staying with Valentine until someone manages to successfully infringe on Valentine's patent on the arrows (which is a bigger selling point than a detector that can detect a radar in the next state).
 

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Quote:

Unlikely. Perhaps my old 1995 Valentine-1 is old technology, but a new V1 is not. Nor does your belief in Bel/****** marketing hype seem to agree with the more believable (and recent) testing I've seen. In any event, my money's staying with Valentine until someone manages to successfully infringe on Valentine's patent on the arrows (which is a bigger selling point than a detector that can detect a radar in the next state).



Check this out:

http://www.radarbusters.com/google/default.asp?wcw=google
 

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www.radarbusters.com is known to have a real ****-on for Valentine. I am guessing that since he cannot sell the V1, he may as well bash it to make his products look better.

V1s win every magazine test, are updated at a reasonable cost, and have the most helpful arrows. Plus, I have found Valentine's customer service excellent.

Buy what you like, but remember that radarbusters has a vested interest in making the public want to buy what they offer.
 

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