POP vs Instant On

[RTTTTed]

Except it matches my GPS speed, so I'm more inclined to think it's closer to actual. Unless Boeing calibrates their airplanes to read 50 MPH lower...

Another thing I like about my new ****** 9500i is that when I do get a radar signal, the detector gives me the speed of my car that the radar got (suing GPS). That's quite a nice feature as I isntantly brake a little when hearing the detectors alert. Seeing the speed I was actually going when 'dinged' often shows I have no reason to worry.

Ted

 

[RTTTTed]

Except it matches my GPS speed, so I'm more inclined to think it's closer to actual. Unless Boeing calibrates their airplanes to read 50 MPH lower...

Another thing I like about my new ****** 9500i is that when I do get a radar signal, the detector gives me the speed of my car that the radar got (suing GPS). That's quite a nice feature as I isntantly brake a little when hearing the detectors alert. Seeing the speed I was actually going when 'dinged' often shows I have no reason to worry.

Ted

 

[1BADGTS]

Only by using state political boundaries. Now again where is the highest population per square mile in the country, regardless of polical boundaries?

And by the way Mexico City and Sao Paulo are MUCH higher, as some of us have been outside the US.

here is a map of population density. Notice how many areas appear in the same range. Should they all have cops with no rules also? [media]http://www.bus.wisc.edu/realestate/images/resources/us_density.gif[/media]

What can i tell you state political boudaries are the MAKEUP of THIS COUNTRY of which NJ has the highest population density and add to that IS ONE OF THE richest with towns like ALPINE (top dollar real estate zip code in the US )Upper Saddle River ,Mantaloken ,Deal,Rumson, Colts Neck).What should they all have is NOT REAL .You act like NJ is the only place in the country whos POLICE BEND THE RULES? LOL i guess you have NEVER been to NY NY (which for ALL intensive purposes is the center of this countrys universe.)

 

[Chuck 98 RT/10]

i guess you have NEVER been to NY NY (which for ALL intensive purposes is the center of this countrys universe.)

The correct phrase is "for all intents and purposes." At least outside of the center of the universe anyway.

 

[1BADGTS]

The correct phrase is "for all intents and purposes." At least outside of the center of the universe anyway.

Chuck whats your take on this topic?In Florida do the police bend the rules to do their jobs ect .Is favoritism shown to those who can afford it .

 

[Chuck 98 RT/10]

Chuck whats your take on this topic?In Florida do the police bend the rules to do their jobs ect .Is favoritism shown to those who can afford it .

I posted earlier in this thread about a cop doing 50mph in a 35mph zone, no lights, no siren and crashed into a 70-year-old guy. The judge sided with the cop claiming the older guy should have judged the cop's speed.

My take is if we wanna reduce this sort of crap we need to reduce the number of cops, judges and lawyers.

 

[Steve 00RT/10]

I posted earlier in this thread about a cop doing 50mph in a 35mph zone, no lights, no siren and crashed into a 70-year-old guy. The judge sided with the cop claiming the older guy should have judged the cop's speed.

My take is if we wanna reduce this sort of crap we need to reduce the number of cops, judges and lawyers.

Chuck, I'm sure this got a lot of play down there, but from what I could find, the old guy never looked in his mirror and made a lane change right in front of the speeding cop. I agree the decision should have been different, but the guy screwed up......and so did the cop. ....that's why he got fined.

Although I try to stay at about 5 MPH of posted slower limits (except in residential), I would guess that 45+ MPH in a 35 is more the norm for the entire country. Be my guess that very few drive 35 in a 35 in your area on main thorough fares. That's also why I won't buy the argument that had the cop been going slower ---say with the flow of traffic---the old guy would have not moved into his lane. Could have been the blind spot thing (not with properly adjusted mirrors)....whatever....the guy made a mistake and very bad things happened.

I would be curious the number of 'citizens' who, in a similar situation would buck up and say: Yup, my fault --- my GPS confirms it.....I was going 15 over when the guy made an illegal lane change right in front of me and I hit him. ....or how about if a punk kid made an illegal lane change in front of you when you were going 15 over...causing you to crash and break your neck? Would you **** it up and say: Yup, my broken neck is all my fault?

Steve

 

[99 R/T 10]

I posted earlier in this thread about a cop doing 50mph in a 35mph zone, no lights, no siren and crashed into a 70-year-old guy. The judge sided with the cop claiming the older guy should have judged the cop's speed.

My take is if we wanna reduce this sort of crap we need to reduce the number of cops, judges and lawyers.

Chuck, just about everything you post is spot-on

 

[99 R/T 10]

Chuck, I'm sure this got a lot of play down there, but from what I could find, the old guy never looked in his mirror and made a lane change right in front of the speeding cop. I agree the decision should have been different, but the guy screwed up......and so did the cop. ....that's why he got fined.

Although I try to stay at about 5 MPH of posted slower limits (except in residential), I would guess that 45+ MPH in a 35 is more the norm for the entire country. Be my guess that very few drive 35 in a 35 in your area on main thorough fares. That's also why I won't buy the argument that had the cop been going slower ---say with the flow of traffic---the old guy would have not moved into his lane. Could have been the blind spot thing (not with properly adjusted mirrors)....whatever....the guy made a mistake and very bad things happened.

Steve

Those that are charged with maintaining and enforcing our laws most of the time don't even abide by them. They seem to think they are above the law. They are given a huge responsibility and authority over the citizen and because of that, should be held to a much higher standard. I know most in my area completely disregard them(watched them too many time flying by me, no lights and no reason to do so). When they are on a call, they have to do what is necessary, albeit in a safe manner.

In Arizona, the state puts up speed cameras, does not discriminate between the average citizen or Police. Plenty of the cops have been caught on camera and not been on a call. Why? because they know in the end, they will NOT be held accountable.

I would be curious the number of 'citizens' who, in a similar situation would buck up and say: Yup, my fault --- my GPS confirms it.....I was going 15 over when the guy made an illegal lane change right in front of me and I hit him. ....or how about if a punk kid made an illegal lane change in front of you when you were going 15 over...causing you to crash and break your neck? Would you **** it up and say: Yup, my broken neck is all my fault?

Steve

That is not our responsibility as the average driver. We are not being paid by the Government to do the job of enforcement. You see, there is this thing call the Bill of Rights that allows us not to incriminate ourselves regardless of what "crime" we are accused of. That being said, I do agree if you screw up and hurt somebody, you should take the resposibilty, but even in Chuck's example, the cop sure didn't. And we put out trust in people like him?!

 

[Chuck 98 RT/10]

Chuck, I'm sure this got a lot of play down there, but from what I could find, the old guy never looked in his mirror and made a lane change right in front of the speeding cop. I agree the decision should have been different, but the guy screwed up......and so did the cop. ....that's why he got fined.

Although I try to stay at about 5 MPH of posted slower limits (except in residential), I would guess that 45+ MPH in a 35 is more the norm for the entire country. Be my guess that very few drive 35 in a 35 in your area on main thorough fares. That's also why I won't buy the argument that had the cop been going slower ---say with the flow of traffic---the old guy would have not moved into his lane. Could have been the blind spot thing (not with properly adjusted mirrors)....whatever....the guy made a mistake and very bad things happened.

I would be curious the number of 'citizens' who, in a similar situation would buck up and say: Yup, my fault --- my GPS confirms it.....I was going 15 over when the guy made an illegal lane change right in front of me and I hit him. ....or how about if a punk kid made an illegal lane change in front of you when you were going 15 over...causing you to crash and break your neck? Would you **** it up and say: Yup, my broken neck is all my fault?

Steve

So at what point is the victim no longer at fault? If the cop were travelling 20mph over the limit would the old guy be free of any fault? 30mph over? 100mph over? Where exactly is the "grace" speed? I'd like to know so the next time a cop tells me speeding kills I can correct them by telling them "no, I was only going x mph over the limit and if the other guy is paying attention we're all safe."

The fact is if the cop had be doing 35 instead of 50 the accident would not have happened. This sounds more like an opportunity for the government to collect on two tickets instead of one.

I suppose if I ever get run over by a drunk driver the judge can put part of the blame on me for being out on a Saturday night because after all, Saturday nights are the biggest nights for drunk drivers and I should have known better than to drive on a Saturday night.

 

[1BADGTS]

Those that are charged with maintaining and enforcing our laws most of the time don't even abide by them. They seem to think they are above the law. They are given a huge responsibility and authority over the citizen and because of that, should be held to a much higher standard. I know most in my area completely disregard them(watched them too many time flying by me, no lights and no reason to do so). When they are on a call, they have to do what is necessary, albeit in a safe manner.

In Arizona, the state puts up speed cameras, does not discriminate between the average citizen or Police. Plenty of the cops have been caught on camera and not been on a call. Why? because they know in the end, they will NOT be held accountable.



That is not our responsibility as the average driver. We are not being paid by the Government to do the job of enforcement. You see, there is this thing call the Bill of Rights that allows us not to incriminate ourselves regardless of what "crime" we are accused of. That being said, I do agree if you screw up and hurt somebody, you should take the resposibilty, but even in Chuck's example, the cop sure didn't. And we put out trust in people like him?!

REALISTICALLY it appears the above happens in EVERY STATE (police,on or off duty driving interpt the law THEIR OWN WAY )except GR-8s home state only there is everything done by the book and the wealthy are on the same playing field as everyone else-(NO SPECIAL PRIV,FAVORS ECT )

 

[1BADGTS]

So at what point is the victim no longer at fault? If the cop were travelling 20mph over the limit would the old guy be free of any fault? 30mph over? 100mph over? Where exactly is the "grace" speed? I'd like to know so the next time a cop tells me speeding kills I can correct them by telling them "no, I was only going x mph over the limit and if the other guy is paying attention we're all safe."

The fact is if the cop had be doing 35 instead of 50 the accident would not have happened. This sounds more like an opportunity for the government to collect on two tickets instead of one.

I suppose if I ever get run over by a drunk driver the judge can put part of the blame on me for being out on a Saturday night because after all, Saturday nights are the biggest nights for drunk drivers and I should have known better than to drive on a Saturday night.

Years ago my business landlord(WHO IS A REBEL ROUSER ) was traveling the speedlimit in the leftbound lane of RT 34 (medium sized highway up here.)A State trooper car pulls up behind him ,lights off. My landlord yields to him ,lets him pass and follows behind him matching the Troopers speed in the 80s (50 mph zone ).The Trooper after a few miles pulls him over and asks what he is doing going that fast ect .Landlord replies what do you mean- iwas going as fast as you .Every ticket known to State traffic law followed including impeding emergency vehicle ect .I ran it by my cousen who said my landlord was going to get HAMMERED IN COURT (LIGHTS OR NO LIGHTS ,OFF OR ON DUTY A Trooper basically drives with impunity up here )The landlord has his day in court and the JUDGE DID HAMMER HIM .Good ,bad or indifferent you cant fight city hall.

 

[Steve 00RT/10]

99 RT/10

You’re off on a rant with me …to where I have no clue. Nowhere did I defend the cop. He should have been busted. I don’t agree with only busting one of them. The cop should have got tagged good. Maybe a fine, a couple days without pay, and some community service.

Your statements about “ most of the time and most in my area” ….referring to cops in your area, I’ll attribute to errant keyboarding. It’s a ridiculous statement to stereotype MOST law enforcement in your area that way. I’m sure your friends in law enforcement would be happy to know what you think of them.

From what I read—and I said there may be stuff I don’t know --- the guy ticketed screwed up too, plain and simple. He crossed over into the other lane without looking in his mirrors. The cop was on a call, but no lights/siren. The fact that the cop screwed up as well and didn’t get penalized (and should have) doesn’t negate what the other guy did.

That is not our responsibility as the average driver. We are not being paid by the Government to do the job of enforcement. You see, there is this thing call the Bill of Rights that allows us not to incriminate ourselves regardless of what "crime" we are accused of. That being said, I do agree if you screw up and hurt somebody, you should take the resposibilty, but even in Chuck's example, the cop sure didn't.

Regardless of your last sentence ---- I think I believe from your 5th Amendment stance, that given the same situation with you being the hitter of the other guy....both of you being in the wrong...that you would exercise your 5th Amendment rights (or lie as to your speed when queried) to the fullest and/or saddle the state with a legal proceeding to pay for (as is your right by golly) …..all the while knowing you were going 15 over, and by the argument given above here, the cause of the accident. Nice line of thought ‘citizen.’ That’s as much a problem today as over reaching authorities.

Given this scenario, I guess you don’t agree with Chuck on everything…..actually only 1 out of 3……you would first need the lawyer ….and then the judge to render ‘justice’ to you.

So at what point is the victim no longer at fault? If the cop were travelling 20mph over the limit would the old guy be free of any fault? 30mph over? 100mph over? Where exactly is the "grace" speed? I'd like to know so the next time a cop tells me speeding kills I can correct them by telling them "no, I was only going x mph over the limit and if the other guy is paying attention we're all safe."

The fact is if the cop had be doing 35 instead of 50 the accident would not have happened. This sounds more like an opportunity for the government to collect on two tickets instead of one.

I suppose if I ever get run over by a drunk driver the judge can put part of the blame on me for being out on a Saturday night because after all, Saturday nights are the biggest nights for drunk drivers and I should have known better than to drive on a Saturday night.

I absolutely understand what you say in your first paragraph.....however I absolutely disagree that the accident wouldn't have occurred if the cop were going 35....for the reasons I stated: Highly unlikely the flow of traffic was going 35 and the guy never looked in his mirror. My conclusion would then be that every day driving on that road exceeds 35 MPH by a margin acceptable to the cops who patrol it and that the disparity between what is normal and what the cop was going was not enough for him to appear in the blink of an eye behind the old guy. Plain and simple, the old guy didn't look in his mirror. Like I also said, maybe you also know more than what I read.

As for 'grace speed' no one would _itch more than Vipers owners if they were to be ticketed for 1 MPH over the limit....and there were no 'grace limit' at all. ....but there is a grace speed. Up here it's about 6-7 over. Downstate MI is typically higher (more so for non-Vipers). I think Tom said 9-10 over appears to work for him in his state.

Steve

 

[1BADGTS]

Steve, do the police in your home state of Mich get to drive (on or off duty )with impunity against the law .Also if you dont mind me asking do they provide items like PBA Cards ,shields ,stickers ect to be used by friends and family to get out of tickets if they are stopped.

 

[99 R/T 10]

99 RT/10



I absolutely understand what you say in your first paragraph.....however I absolutely disagree that the accident wouldn't have occurred if the cop were going 35....for the reasons I stated: Highly unlikely the flow of traffic was going 35 and the guy never looked in his mirror. My conclusion would then be that every day driving on that road exceeds 35 MPH by a margin acceptable to the cops who patrol it and that the disparity between what is normal and what the cop was going was not enough for him to appear in the blink of an eye behind the old guy. Plain and simple, the old guy didn't look in his mirror. Like I also said, maybe you also know more than what I read.

Steve

Talk about me ranting.............

I'll just address this statement above, The If the cop was using his lights/siren, the accident most likely would not have happen. If the cop was doing the speed limit, the accident would not have happened due to the fact he would have been WAY farther back(position wise) and would have had ample time to adjust/react to the lane change. Ultimately if fault was to be blamed, it lies squarely on the officer and justice was not served.............

 

[1BADGTS]

Talk about me ranting.............

I'll just address this statement above, The If the cop was using his lights/siren, the accident most likely would not have happen. If the cop was doing the speed limit, the accident would not have happened due to the fact he would have been WAY farther back(position wise) and would have had ample time to adjust/react to the lane change. Ultimately if fault was to be blamed, it lies squarely on the officer and justice was not served.............

The above is why iam curious to know when an OFF DUTY officer is stopped for a MOVING VIOLATION in these NON CORRUPTED STATES are they issued tickets by their fellow officers.IN A true textbook FANTASY LAND APPLICATION sure they are LOL.

 

[GR8_ASP]

1Bad you are again on a mission. Only you know what and why.

Steve 00RT/10 lives about a 10 hour drive from me. Almost the same as you are away. Just because it is in the same state means very little. He also lives in a much more rural area.

Yes the police here break the speed laws with some regularity. What does not happen though is my stating it is okay. Like you have. Including your statements that it is okay for the police to stop people and search their vehicle without just cause. That is wrong and anyone who supports it regardless of rationale is wrong also. That is where I was taking you to task. Stating it is okay for a cop to break traffic and civil rights laws just because they are a cop and cannot be easily caught. It is not right. Period. No matter how many of your 50 friends and family (still in disbelief on that quantity) are police officers.

As to how frequent police in town go seriously over the speed limit without lights on. Very few. On the freeways, yes, I see it fairly often. But on a 35 mph road as was in question here I would say no. Not very frequent. And when it does occur, and I am in a foul mood, and am witness to it I call it in. Just the location, time and vehicle number does wonders. If they are on a rightful silent call they will have an out with their boss. Otherwise they will get a talking to. No they do not receive a ticket like we do but their jobs are in jeopardy. BTW if I witness the old drive through a red light I almost always call it in. Doesn't happen as much anymore but I have witnessed a cop use his lights to go through red lights and then stop at a McDonalds. That one got not only a call in but a letter and picture to the local paper. Suffice to say we the people have rights and do not have to bow to the police. They are our public servants. Not the other way around.

 

[1BADGTS]

And you call these cheating, lying criminals your friends and family (at least 50 per your earlier post). The law is the law. In case the police create their own law and police according to it does not make it the law. What it does is make them the criminals. Rather than support that deviant behavior I would be telling my "friends and family" to become responsible human beings and follow the law. But no, you come here and preach about all the lawbreaking things your friends and family use while "enforcing" the law. And act proud of it.

You have convinced me to stay the heck out of New Jersey.

1Bad you are again on a mission. Only you know what and why.

Steve 00RT/10 lives about a 10 hour drive from me. Almost the same as you are away. Just because it is in the same state means very little. He also lives in a much more rural area.

Yes the police here break the speed laws with some regularity. What does not happen though is my stating it is okay. Like you have. Including your statements that it is okay for the police to stop people and search their vehicle without just cause. That is wrong and anyone who supports it regardless of rationale is wrong also. That is where I was taking you to task. Stating it is okay for a cop to break traffic and civil rights laws just because they are a cop and cannot be easily caught. It is not right. Period. No matter how many of your 50 friends and family (still in disbelief on that quantity) are police officers.

As to how frequent police in town go seriously over the speed limit without lights on. Very few. On the freeways, yes, I see it fairly often. But on a 35 mph road as was in question here I would say no. Not very frequent. And when it does occur, and I am in a foul mood, and am witness to it I call it in. Just the location, time and vehicle number does wonders. If they are on a rightful silent call they will have an out with their boss. Otherwise they will get a talking to. No they do not receive a ticket like we do but their jobs are in jeopardy. BTW if I witness the old drive through a red light I almost always call it in. Doesn't happen as much anymore but I have witnessed a cop use his lights to go through red lights and then stop at a McDonalds. That one got not only a call in but a letter and picture to the local paper. Suffice to say we the people have rights and do not have to bow to the police. They are our public servants. Not the other way around.

Let me get this straight i have convinced you to stay out of NJ yet you admit your cops do the same thing .What i said was my or your personal opinion on the subject does not matter because IT STILL IS GOING TO HAPPEN EITHER WAY.You actually call it in when you see a cop speeding reminds me of my business landlord and we know what happened to him.

 

[GR8_ASP]

Thick skull eh? I said, let me repeat it for the umpteenth time, that YOU 1Bad indicated it was good for the cops and that as family you know it is done without remorse or bad conscience (my words as there is no way you could spell that) to arrest people through the use of illegal tactics (illegal searches, etc) while making up lies to cover themselves. That is the BAD that would cause me to avoid your wonderful area. Not speeding. Can you read?

 

[GR8_ASP]

Even IF a laser scrambler DID WORK IF you got caught using one in NJ the penality (impeding justice ),cost for an attorney,aggreviation ect would probably be worse than the ticket.If a Trouper were to point a lazor at a car he thinks (thru his observations) is speeding up here and it were to go blank TRUST ME that car is getting stopped and possibly searched .As far as just cause for the stop instead of possibly speeding they would use the ols careless driving or improper lane change ect .

Your words!

 

[GR8_ASP]

The chart shoes that there are no known laws for jamming radar in my state of NJ .I dont know anything about police protocal in other states however up here even if they can not PROVE a car is speeding (if and when they search ,find the JAMMER )the only thing it will do is *iss them off to the point of writing tickets on violations where its your word against theirs (careless driving,improper lane change ect ).As far as the right to search a car a seasoned Trooper will use the standard -Your honor as a professional trained in the art of traffic saftey I SMELLED *** IN THE VECHILE AND THE DRIVER APPEARED TO BE UNDER THE INFLUENCE ECT )When the search turns up a device known to jam laser that judge is going to side with the cop.

More of the same.

 

[GR8_ASP]

Guys having over 50 freiends and family members in law enforcement(NJ) i can tell you not every municipality has everything recorded and there are numerious ways around this.Just because something is stated in a TEXTBOOK (specific right to search a car ect )doesnot always down mean things go down like they should .Last year for example a friend of mines 20 year old kid had his car searched in Long Branch.The kid was stopped for no other reason than he was a white kid driving around Liberty street at 2 in the morning in a new Nissan . If the cops pass you more than once down there at that time of night they STEROTYPE know you dont belong (from there standpoint your down there trying to buy drugs )and they will stop you AND SEARCH FOR NO OTHER REASON.The same goes for Asbury Park,Neptune.They have been getting away with this for years.If anyone doubts this happens let them drive their Viper late at night in any of these towns (circling the same area )and that person will get stopped(and possibly searched ) for no other reason than they dont fit in which is by the textbook AN ILLEGIAL STOP.

The third and final example of your stating it is normal for NJ cops to use illegal search tactics and lie about it. This is NOT SPEEDING!

 

[1BADGTS]

pS when you call it in ,take photographs of police committing rule infractions ect do you do it anomysly or do you leave you name, address ect?

 

[1BADGTS]

So its OK for your police to break traffic laws ect but not anything else in your book .Where did i give MY PERSONAL opinion on the subject .I reported the TRUTH as to what happens.

 

[GR8_ASP]

pS when you call it in ,take photographs of police committing rule infractions ect do you do it anomysly or do you leave you name, address ect?

It is nearly impossible to do anything anonymously. Telephone numbers are shown immediately when you call the police. I am not afraid of retribution by the police. The vast majority are good police. The bad apples need culling. At least in this area.

 

[1BADGTS]

I will give you another instance of how different our worlds are in certain parts of NJ, Newark in particular if your car is stolen its so commonplace that you report it by calling an 800 number because depending on crime activity the police can not be bothered in taking the time to fill out the report (they have slightly more important things to deal with )

 

[plumcrazy]

you 2 play nice now or im gonna have to lock this thread.....

 

[1BADGTS]

It is nearly impossible to do anything anonymously. Telephone numbers are shown immediately when you call the police. I am not afraid of retribution by the police. The vast majority are good police. The bad apples need culling. At least in this area.

Thats your business once again out here esp for owners of HI PERF AUTOMOBILES its much much better to stay on their good side .We operate on a point system (13 POINTS YOU LOSE YOUR LICENSE )and because of our population concentration have some of the toughest ,most costly traffic laws in the country (DWI for example=mandatory 7 months loss of license first offense .Fines ,surcharges attorney fees in the 10k range )In looking for a plea bargin the very first question a lawyer will ask his client =DID YOU GIVE THE COP A HARD TIME.The police have a say if and when a plea bargin is cut.If tyhe cop tells the proscuter the defendent gave them a hard time ect .

 

[ViperTony]

you 2 play nice now or im gonna have to lock this thread.....

What deputy moderation Plum said.

 

[1BADGTS]

you 2 play nice now or im gonna have to lock this thread.....

Hey Plum i know your a BENNY (lol i mean NORTH JERSEY guy )but have you ever experianced being pulled over in your car thru profiling.I know you probably dont take rides thru scenic Newark ect at 2 in the morning BUT.