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Ok guys, looking for pointers on the best way to get into some road racing.
I live on Long Island and assume Watkins Glenn and Lime Rock are my best options.
As VCA members do we have any connections or get any benefits at these tracks?
Would love to start with a couple of in-car instructor sessions.....

Sorry if Im way off on something here
 

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Ask Tony Perugini your VCA NY/CT president.

Steve Katz may be helpful for you as well in this area and your region.
 

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The best way to experience your car!!! Contact your local President and see if theres a track event on the schedule for the year. I did one track event years ago and now i'm hooked. I HAVE to get my Viper on the track once a year. :drive: :D
 

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Racing advice. Stop while your ahead:rolleyes:. It's like a drug once you start you can't stop. The Mods to the car may start small then before you know it your running a full caged car rubbing fenders with the big boys.
 

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NTD929....we have 3 track events in the NY/CT region this year that will help you get into some road racing. June 7-9, our Northeast Zone Redevous is happing. This is great opportunity to get your Viper on road course in a controlled environment with an in-car instructor. In July, the NY/CT club has the entire infield Autocross course at LimeRock park for a day. It's a blast and great auto-x course to learn on. In May, there's a Pocono Track Day on memorial day. I started learning the road course at Pocono years ago and the instructors there are great.

Check out the NY/CT Region forum for more information. The details for the Zone Event will be published in a few days but it will be in NJ.

Steve Katz, ACR Steve is our region race director and racer. He's love to show you the ropes and you should go for a ride with him on a track in his ACR. One ride and you will be hooked forever.
 
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I found it very valuable to start with some Auto-X and informed instructors. A good instructor in the car is invaluable, and the more instructors you have come through your car the better. I went to a local Bimmer Auto-X DE event here locally a few years ago, and it was some of the best instruction I could get...at those speeds. A good low speed DE event that is constructed to teach you how to drive the car at low speeds was incredible for me. None of the Bimmer instructors had ever been in a Viper, so ALL the instructors wanted a run and that really worked out to my advantage as I got a lot of different types of instruction. Of course there were a lot jeers during class....but in the end, I had the second fastest time of the day behind and instructor in a Mitsu Evo, and ran faster than a slew of M3 cars. :) After learning to go quickly, then ante up and learn how to go quick AND fast. Good luck.
 

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Do street drugs instead. It's way cheaper and not as addictive.
Also, there are 12-step programs, re-hab centers, therapists and counselors to help with your addiction problem when you want to quit.
There is no help for you once you have tracked a Viper.
 

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Not sure if I'm allowed, but I'm sure it will get deleted if not.

Motorsportreg.com

Log on sign up and start doing some HPDE events and lapping days in your area.

Drew
 

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Do street drugs instead. It's way cheaper and not as addictive.
Also, there are 12-step programs, re-hab centers, therapists and counselors to help with your addiction problem when you want to quit.
There is no help for you once you have tracked a Viper.

^^^THIS^^^
 

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The best way to experience your car!!! Contact your local President and see if theres a track event on the schedule for the year. I did one track event years ago and now i'm hooked. I HAVE to get my Viper on the track once a year. :drive: :D
How do you deal with the withdrawal symptoms the rest of the year? I have been averaging 16 days per year, and it just isn't enough. I have even started running with the Porsche club now just to get in on more track days at their events. They all look at me funny, but I don't care. ......I don't think I have a problem though,...I can quit any time I want............at least I haven't gone any Corvette club events yet. ....They have offered me Autocross, but I was able to 'just say no'. -Remember that. "just say NO to Corvette Club Autocross". ........I really NEED to..get off here..... .. ..... ..I've got..to ...check the ..local racetrack website calender......maybe there might be some open lapping days available now......There wasn't any 10 minutes ago.....but I've got to....look NOW... and see....if that's changed.................:omg:
 

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A local Porsche Club is a great way to get in to great tracks, they have great instructors to help. Don't forget about Narra, former Viper Days. The Porsche Clubs are very active.
 

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Racing advice. Stop while your ahead:rolleyes:. It's like a drug once you start you can't stop. The Mods to the car may start small then before you know it your running a full caged car rubbing fenders with the big boys.

TOMS got the BEST ADVICE EVER!!!!! I went to a Viper Days back in 06 and that ended my love for the street. Now my Viper is Caged and only sees the track and I can't say enough about how much fun it is..... Yet expensive and fun and fun and the people are great.......

First NARRA would be a great place to start (Previously Viper Days)
Somebody mentioned the PCA. They do some great Drivers Ed track days and Chin motorsports too. If you can make it to Mid-Ohio Im sure I can get you and your Viper some great instruction with Leslie (Viper owner and PCA Instructor)!!!

Only advice I believe holds true when wanting to get into track/racing is "SEAT TIME" and loads of it. Plenty of advice on brakes safety and horsepower from everyone but improving your skill should be priority one.
 

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COM (comscc.org) out of Mass runs events at NJMP, Watkins Glen, Mt. Tremblant, NHMS, and a bunch of other tracks. Instructors for novices. Once you get signed off there is also a timed competition where you run solo against the clock. Pretty fun. Also check out NASA.

Hard to tell from your avitar but if you have a Vert you will need a rollbar. Some places including COM require that your helmeted head fit below a broomstick laid between the top of the windshield and the roll bar. COM requires 2 inch clearance so you might have to lower your seat or slouch. In a Vert you will also likely need arm restraints.
 

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shoot me a PM I go once or twice a month in the summer, I live in nassau
you are in reasonable distance to limerock, pocono, njmp, monticello, and watkins is 5 hours away
look up narra, nasa, pca, bmw club, hooked on driving, and scda all do events in our area
 
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Thanks for all the info guys.

Richie7, when is the next event you plan on attending? (mailbox is full)

Will I really need to alter the car (roll bar) just for a few track days?
 

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How do you deal with the withdrawal symptoms the rest of the year? I have been averaging 16 days per year, and it just isn't enough. I have even started running with the Porsche club now just to get in on more track days at their events. They all look at me funny, but I don't care. ......I don't think I have a problem though,...I can quit any time I want............at least I haven't gone any Corvette club events yet. ....They have offered me Autocross, but I was able to 'just say no'. -Remember that. "just say NO to Corvette Club Autocross". ........I really NEED to..get off here..... .. ..... ..I've got..to ...check the ..local racetrack website calender......maybe there might be some open lapping days available now......There wasn't any 10 minutes ago.....but I've got to....look NOW... and see....if that's changed.................:omg:

Someone needs an intervention.................. :D
 

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Someone needs an intervention.................. :D
I said, I can quit anytime I want........besides, other people are doing it. ......and it's my life, so I can do whatever I want............and the other people that are doing it, .....they understand me. ..........They are my real friends.
 

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Thanks for all the info guys.

Richie7, when is the next event you plan on attending? (mailbox is full)

Will I really need to alter the car (roll bar) just for a few track days?

Some groups might let you by with the factory "roll over" (ahem) protection in the beginner group, but most of them that I run with require an actual roll bar.
If NARRA is coming near you, I talked to them about trying to get more new guys out on the track in their HPDE event at Road Atlanta, ad they said they would let it go without a roll bar. They just don't like to advertise it.

I would call or email the different groups in your area and explain that you're just getting into track days and if they will let you participate once or twice without having to add a roll bar. Hopefully, they will let it slide and welcome you to join. It's a decent expense and lot of work to install one just to find out you don't really enjoy the track as much as you thought you would (however, I have no idea how anyone doesn't love the track).

Even if you find some groups that don't require it (even long term), if you try a couple of track days and decide to keep doing them, PUT IN A REAL ROLL BAR. Those flimsy aluminum things from the factory are a joke. I could hit them with a hammer and bend them, so they aren't going to do anything for you if you somehow end up shiny side down.
 

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Thanks for all the info guys.

Richie7, when is the next event you plan on attending? (mailbox is full)

Will I really need to alter the car (roll bar) just for a few track days?

Most groups that know what they are doing would require, for a convertible, a rollbar that passes the broomstick test (as I describe above), a helmet that meets their standards (probably SA2005 or later), proper clothing, and arm restraints. Check with the group before you sign up. No point driving to the track only to find out you fail tech inspection because of lack of rollbar, proper helmet, proper clothing (usually cotton long sleeve shirt and long pants) or arm restraints. Most groups also would require the same type of restraints for the driver and instructor. In other words if you have 5 or 6 points for the driver you must have the same for the instructor.

Of course I think you would be nuts to hit the track for the first time in convertible without a rollbar. Is your life really worth so little? When you have a rollbar installed and you remove the OEM hoops you'll know why depending on them for your life is a stupid idea. They are thin walled tubing (possibly aluminum) that would collapse if you rolled. While rolling the car is not common (thankfully) I have seen it more times than I care to think about.

Other things to do before hitting the track include:

1) Download a track map and video (ideally of a suitably powerful car, a Miata will not necessarily drive the same line as a Viper). Most track websites have maps and Youtube has video on just about every track. Make sure that the video is for the track configuration you will run, many tracks have multiple configurations. Watch the video a bunch of times so that you can learn the track somewhat before you get there.

2) Bleed your brakes using Motul 600 Dot 4 or equivilant fluid.

3) Check brake pads to make sure you have a lot of pad left. Take new pads as insurance, some tracks are tough on brakes. Two track days could wipe your pads.

4) If you can afford it buy racing brake pads to replace the stock pads. They stop better, don't fade, and will last longer on the track. I use Raybestos ST 43 or 44.

5) Bleed clutch using Motul 600 Dot 4 or equivilant fluid. Stock fluid boils and you can lose you're clutch. Happened to both my Gen 4s and to a bunch of other folks.

6) Check tires for wear and pressure. You might want to increase pressure from stock slightly (like to 31 or 32). I find if I go higher I find I lose traction.

7) Grease suspension.

8) If your car has 10K miles or so change differential fluid.

9) Change/check oil.
 

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