Ready to be stoned to death but I hope Dodge is unable to sell the Viper Brand

[CarDude]

I just spoke with my local Viper Tech yesterday. He told me that his dealership had sold both of their 08 Vipers...I said "thats great". He then told me that Dodge had $5K back on the cars in November, and then a total of $20K back in Decemeber (on a seriously limited production car). They are devaluing our cars daily. If they continue with this...I hope they do go out of business.

The plant is still closing in 2009...correct?

 

[viper GTS-R]

It's the economy.

--RS

 

[01sapphirebob]

I believe the plant closes next year (2010) or the year after.

 

[Sellshomesdrivesviper]

Shouldn't you be happy for the members buying now?

 

[CarDude]

Shouldn't you be happy for the members buying now?

Why? I purchased two 08 Vipers this year...so that means I have lost 40K in value (supporting Dodge furiously), just from their manuever alone.

MARK MY WORDS, this will be the last year for the Viper...if you have to discount the greatest performance Viper ever; even before it is even 1 year old...its done for. I'll bet the ZR1 will sell out all 2000 cars that I hear they will make for 2009...at a premium.

The ACR is King of the Ring and no one but us cares.

 

[SquadX]

I feel you.

 

[Dom426h]

u have the wrong attitude and bashing Dodge is not the answer because they are not the problem.

Maybe someday you will find a car that you truly love and wont care how much it depreciates because it will always be priceless to you.

goodluck, in atleast finding satisfaction

 

[FastGuy68]

Granted I never buy a toy hoping it will be worth more when I'm ready to sell it .......I do believe that because of the current "Green" movement, recession and oil prices we are owners of cars that will in fact increase in value over the next few years as the ultra-high performance auto market is about to be shut down just as it was in the early 1970's. Once there is no way to buy a new Viper in it's current configuration from the manufacturer you'll see prices go up. How many people on this site would actually want to buy a battery powered Viper? Not many I suspect.....

 

[texas_venom]

u have the wrong attitude and bashing Dodge is not the answer because they are not the problem.

Maybe someday you will find a car that you truly love and wont care how much it depreciates because it will always be priceless to you.

goodluck, in atleast finding satisfaction

Well said. Dodge cant do anything about the economy and they have to sell cars.

 

[Sellshomesdrivesviper]

The 08's are already a model year old, should they charge a premium?

The economy *****, no one is buying or selling anything.

Dealers don't want stale, left-over inventory with 09's out, and Dodge is in the business to build cars and and sell them to dealers, who in turn sell them to customers, if dealers can't move the 08's, then they sure can't order any new 09's.

You are seeing the next great depression since 1929, sit back and be happy you can afford to buy two of the most unique, powerful, American built cars of our time.

 

[kcobean]

Why? I purchased two 08 Vipers this year...so that means I have lost 40K in value (supporting Dodge furiously), just from their manuever alone.

MARK MY WORDS, this will be the last year for the Viper...if you have to discount the greatest performance Viper ever; even before it is even 1 year old...its done for. I'll bet the ZR1 will sell out all 2000 cars that I hear they will make for 2009...at a premium.

The ACR is King of the Ring and no one but us cares.

I disagree about Corvette sales. People not buying the Viper has nothing to do with the car. Everyone is spooked right now, so no big ticket items are moving. Anyone with $75+K to spend on a car....just isn't.

I hear ya on the frustration of devaluation. I've got my car up for sale for almost $20K less than I paid for it 2-1/2 years ago, and have had hardly a nibble. It is what it is.

 

[CarDude]

u have the wrong attitude and bashing Dodge is not the answer because they are not the problem.

Maybe someday you will find a car that you truly love and wont care how much it depreciates because it will always be priceless to you.

goodluck, in atleast finding satisfaction

Wrong attitude...no love for the Viper...I have three...I do love the cars, but they only made around 1,600 cars in 2008. They need to sell more cars that make them money, not get rid (with huge incentives) of our precious 2008 Gen 3.5 Vipers. They are devaluing our cars in the first year of it's production after spending millions in R&D...it will take a long time for the price to recover so long as they are making more (knowing good and well that they will need to continue bringing huge incentives just to sell the 2009 model year). The economy will not rebound in a few months...

Oh and to someone else's point...fuel prices shouldn't even be a thought when buying a 600 horsepower car. If you can't afford the gas you should be buying the car, plus fuel (and oil) is at a record low price, give me a break.

 

[J&R3xV10]

well for those that are upset that Vipers are selling for less than MSRP than I suggest you insist on paying 5k over for your next Viper just so you feel better.

 

[Andrew/USPWR]

I'll sell my 2005 at a loss and buy a 2009 at a discount. It all works out in the end and I'm still driving Vipers, living in America and loving life.

Doesn't matter how down America is it's still above any other nation.

 

[FastGuy68]

Oh and to someone else's point...fuel prices shouldn't even be a thought when buying a 600 horsepower car. If you can't afford the gas you should be buying the car, plus fuel (and oil) is at a record low price, give me a break.[/COLOR]

Well, that would be me....and your not understanding what I am saying. If you think the price of fuel won't be going back up soon and that it hasn't changed what kind of cars will come out of the big 3 in the future then . Sounds like your thinking is only short term on everything here.....why frett....it's only money?

 

[slaughterj]

How many people on this site would actually want to buy a battery powered Viper? Not many I suspect.....

If it hauled ass and looked good, I'd consider it

 

[CarDude]

I am speaking not only to the Viper brand, but to the whole health of the company.

If you think I am bashing a car brand you are incorrect (over the last 8 years I have personally purchased 15 Chrysler products...3 SRT models in 08 alone). I am bashing they way they are being run...or run into the ground. Has the Viper ever been a money maker? It's a halo/image car. I am sure they put incentives to the 08s so the Viper Brand looks better for a sale, but the brand has been given a monetary value of only 100 to 150 million...selling it looks desperate to me. Just put the brand on hold for a while.

Chrysler requested $7 billion in loans in December, but President Bush only agreed to $4 billion, which the company received Jan. 2. How will selling the Viper for 100 million even put a dent in $4 billion? Who in the world would pay them $100 to $150 million for a car that can't even sell out at less than 1,600 cars in a year?

I'm sorry if it seems like I am not a loyal enthusiast, as I am, but I am also a realist. As such, if you want a new Viper...you better find a way to buy an 2008 or 2009, because there won't be a 2010 (possibly not even a Dodge in the near future).

 

[Chuck 98 RT/10]

MARK MY WORDS, this will be the last year for the Viper

Thank you Nostradamus. I'm just not sure if I should categorize you with the gang that has been predicting the end of the Viper for the past ten years or the Einsteins who now realize how bad the economy currently is.

Regardless, for buying Dodge products.

 

[Bandit3]

When and if Chrysler goes under and declares the Viper done for, I'll buy one of the last years. If at that time I can afford it, I would still keep my "old" 2006 coupe that's been modified and keep the last edition all stock. Only worry will be warranty issues. But there are warranty companies who would be glad to take our money. John

 

[Bandit3]

Still an "enthusiast" I see.

 

[Chuck 98 RT/10]

Who in the world would pay them $100 to $150 million for a car that can't even sell out at less than 1,600 cars in a year?

It's doable if the CC can be moved under the same roof. The CC is still very successful and might become even more successful in light of this economy. It is without question the most affordable car in it's class. With big money factory sponsorship in question racing organizations won't be so eager to slant rules in one direction. The racers will then move towards the most affordable race car. The Viper and it's durability has held that title for years.

 

[Chuck 98 RT/10]

Still an "enthusiast" I see.

with a sense of humor. That's good. LOL

 

[Cop Magnet]

I think you need to take some basic Econ classes. I'ts not the drop in price by Dodge that's "devaluing" your already-purchased car. Your car having devaluated has necessitated a drop in price. Supply and demand, my business-challenged friend.

Besides, if you plan on keeping all your cars, who cares what the book value is? It was worth it to you at the time you bought it. If it's not now, you have no one to blame but yourself. Never buy something for which devaluation is a given, then complain when that happens. When you buy a high-dollar toy, you better be prepared to write that money off. As someone once said, don't bet the milk and butter. Or something to that effect.

 

[PDCjonny]

And maybe count your blessings somewhere in there amongst the whine.

 

[viper GTS-R]

Can't blame you for being "upset" in way but, it is the economy and sadly it's just the way it is.

I think the thing is, is that there's SOOOOO much out there the person that wants to go from A to B can't make a choice. A to B people just want a car with four wheels, a motor, and seatbelts. After that comes the styling and all your other choices. I've had times like such when I'm in the Magnum, you'll always get that one finicky A to B driver that will tell me, "eww how can you like that thing it looks like a hearse" and some will say "wow, this is nice!" and kids will just freak cause it's a cool car. Guys like us that are into cars, what they do, the appreciation and how far we can push them are A to B to C to D people. When you start mentioning the motor and the other options reactions are mixed. The gas milage is about the same in my V6 as it is in the Hemi. Once that gets out I get asked "how come you didn't get the Hemi?" my response is well let's not forget the insurance, payments and everything else into consideration. I WANT a Hemi but I didn't want to go overboard on my budget either. I'm always reading about the Sebring pretty much everyday cause someone has to say something about the styling and the interior. I haven't driven one but I really don't see what's wrong with it, it's an A to B car!

And then there's those that simply look at the weight, scratch their chins and say, "Will gee wilikers, that's to much!" 2-4 years ago you'd hear stories how furious people where about Hummers, how they burn gas, they weigh to much then form a hippy protest and set them on fire. That is somewhat partially true but it's changed yet still the average Autobloger will read a whole article on a car, then start a war about how much the car weighs. Are we confused? I feel alot more safer in a 3800lb Magnum than 2921lb Prius, I forgot to mention I was making 25-27 MPG to Florida with what felt about 3/4 more stuff a Prius could ever hold.

--RS

 

[CarDude]

I think you need to take some basic Econ classes. I'ts not the drop in price by Dodge that's "devaluing" your already-purchased car. Your car having devaluated has necessitated a drop in price. Supply and demand, my business-challenged friend.

Besides, if you plan on keeping all your cars, who cares what the book value is? It was worth it to you at the time you bought it. If it's not now, you have no one to blame but yourself. Never buy something for which devaluation is a given, then complain when that happens. When you buy a high-dollar toy, you better be prepared to write that money off. As someone once said, don't bet the milk and butter. Or something to that effect.

Insults shall be ignored in my post…move on. Three SRT Vipers = Business-Challenged .

 

[CarDude]

And maybe count your blessings somewhere in there amongst the whine.

The facts are I don't want to see the car run into the ground...plain and simple. Do we need 09s if they can't sell 08s....NO.

 

[Sellshomesdrivesviper]

You can't be mad at the game -Player, its the economy.

You lost money in your 401k, stock accounts, home prices, car prices and everything else you own.

People aren't buying anything, instead people are much more concerned about their jobs, and putting food on the table for their family.

No one likes to lose anything of value, be happy with your health and the enjoyment you get out of your cars. Which has always been a depreciating asset, especially would you buy it new and first drive it off the lot.

We all love you, and we know it hurts, WE FELL THE PAIN TOO.

Please notice what my member name is and it will make you feel better.

 

[Cop Magnet]

I think you need to take some basic Econ classes. I'ts not the drop in price by Dodge that's "devaluing" your already-purchased car. Your car having devaluated has necessitated a drop in price. Supply and demand, my business-challenged friend.

Besides, if you plan on keeping all your cars, who cares what the book value is? It was worth it to you at the time you bought it. If it's not now, you have no one to blame but yourself. Never buy something for which devaluation is a given, then complain when that happens. When you buy a high-dollar toy, you better be prepared to write that money off. As someone once said, don't bet the milk and butter. Or something to that effect.

Insults shall be ignored in my post…move on. Three SRT Vipers = Business-Challenged .

Glad you got a laugh out of it. OK, ignore my "insult". Comment on what I said instead.

And maybe count your blessings somewhere in there amongst the whine.

Seriously.

 

[CarDude]

You can't be mad at the game -Player, its the economy.

You lost money in your 401k, stock accounts, home prices, car prices and everything else you own.

People aren't buying anything, instead people are much more concerned about their jobs, and putting food on the table for their family.

No one likes to lose anything of value, be happy with your health and the enjoyment you get out of your cars. Which has always been a depreciating asset, especially would you buy it new and first drive it off the lot.

We all love you, and we know it hurts, WE FELL THE PAIN TOO.

Please notice what my member name is and it will make you feel better.

I am unable to extract much enjoyment out of my cars...its the middle of winter here (but where you are in Florida...not so much). If I were able to drive them that would distract me and make the current value a moot point and then maybe I would not obsess over what Dodge is going to do. I need to move.

My Ford F450 is the Copper color, only it is white right now with it's salt covering...ouch. I am going to go have it washed, so I can enjoy the cheap (while it lasts) diesel.