1TONY1
Enthusiast
Anything over 50/50 wtr/mth can be flammable. There is no way anybody needs to run straight or a heavy methonal mix without the proper lines etc. Plastic lines would be a no no. Did your kit come from Tampa Fl ?
Roe Water/Methanol Kit Installed Today
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Anything over 50/50 wtr/mth can be flammable. There is no way anybody needs to run straight or a heavy methonal mix without the proper lines etc. Plastic lines would be a no no. Did your kit come from Tampa Fl ?
I bought my kit from Julio Don (Alchycontrol.com). It was a "generic" kit that I fitted for my application. The kit cames complete with methanol compatible braided lines. You are right plastic lines would be a no-no as methanol is extremely corrosive. I ran straight methanol for most of last year without any problems. I was extremely pleased with the results.
1TONY1
Enthusiast
He is out of Tampa. That's who I figured you were talking about....he is a firm believer in straight methonal. He is a nice guy, I have talked with him before.
FLX109
Enthusiast
So if I were to add the methanol injection with my 8lb pulley and go to a 10 lb pulley, would that gain 75HP?
Confused again.
Confused again.
Hi Jim and All,
$379 / 25 RWHP = $15 per RWHP by installing and activating the W/M without any other changes. Not bad, but...
The program I modified for you (Shelby3) to run the W/M made had only one change. As you went past 3.5 PSI boost, the timing retard would drop to 0 as the W/M activates before that point. Most of the guys that have been pushing the envelope open, like Tony, Todd and Trent, are actually running a significant amount of timing advance, especially in the mid-range. Where yours is at 0 retard from stock, running 22 degrees advance total at 4,500, they're adding 10+ degrees advance for total of 32+ degrees spark advance. However, I didn't want to just arbitrarily advance yours like that without someone looking at the plugs and listening for any pinging. You can make more power with tuning and test driving (this is where the $199 software for logging and tuning really pays for itself). Also, keep in mind, as we increase power, we'll probably have to increase the jet size as we're flowing about 15% W/M to fuel. I ordered a handfull of larger jets in case people need them. The pump is capable of flowing enough for 1,500 HP. If an upgrade is needed, we can swap out 1 of the two jets to a larger one (about double in size) since the air inlets merge at the blower inlet. I'd say the standard jets will be good for up to about 700 RWHP, but a car I did Saturday made 682 RWHP / 760 RWTQ and needs one larger jet because it has so much torque and needs more water at low RPM so it can run full timing.
In regard to the HP difference between Shelby3 and MBN's motor, MBN's made 712 RWHP on it's best pull a year ago. Yours is within about 20. Sounds pretty close to me considering the bottom ends were different, but the heads and cams were the same.
Regards,
Sean
1TONY1
Enthusiast
Sean, would you address Stu's question above before he wets himself
j/k specifically, what do you think of the 12psi and 14 psi ? And also .... what about the larger autorotor mentioned. Will it bolt on ? Same or different size ?......
Sean, would you address Stu's question above before he wets himself
Ok, Autorotor themselves do not have a larger displacement blower available.
What boost will it make at 21,000 RPM? I can't say as it really depends on the engine. Could be 12-14.
Consider also that you can go to a smaller blower pulley, but not take the engine RPM as high (maybe shifting at 5,200) and get the benefit of the increase torque and HP below that point, while keeping the blower speed in check.
Regards,
Sean
ViperBing
Enthusiast
Does anyone know if M85 found at some pumps can be used for the methanol? It is 85% methanol and 15% gasoline.
BlueGTS
Viper Owner
Just picked up some Wal-Mart Super Tech Winter formula for my W/M kit and after bringing 15 bottles home I noticed that it is different from the bottles pictured in the other thread. Up here in the north we get the -25 degree stuff. Unfortunately it does not say methanol anywhere on the bottle.
So my question is, is there a chance the Super Tech I purchased uses some other liquid aside from methanol?
So my question is, is there a chance the Super Tech I purchased uses some other liquid aside from methanol?
Simms
Enthusiast
Search for MSDS (material safetly data sheets) for particular brands of washer fluid.
For example, Splash -25 from K-Mart contains 41% methanol by volume and 59% water.
For example, Splash -25 from K-Mart contains 41% methanol by volume and 59% water.
Mr Hemi Head
Enthusiast
I recently did the same, Super Tech Winter (blue liquid) has the POISON (Skull and Crossbones) label with methanol on bottle. They had the summer formula mixed with the winter on the same shelf with similar labels. The summer does NOT contain methanol. Rick
BlueGTS
Viper Owner
Hemi Head, did you get the 0 degree or the -25 degree forumula?
Mr Hemi Head
Enthusiast
Aaron, It is labeled -20 degrees.They had yellow fluid advertised,"good for-40 degrees" but it was $1.47 vs.$.97. Rick
FLX109
Enthusiast
Anyone else finish with the water/methanol kit install?
And How do you like it?
And How do you like it?
Simms
Enthusiast
Larry Macedo is currently doing mine.
FLX109
Enthusiast
Hey Simms,
Let me know how you like it and your gains, if you change pulley etc, I also wonder if your sills will be cooler with the kit?
FLX109
Simms
Enthusiast
I'll let you know when the car returns. Larry is upgrading it to a 10lb pulley, bigger fuel pump, and his Stage II heads/cam package.
99 R/T 10
Enthusiast
I'll let you know when the car returns. Larry is upgrading it to a 10lb pulley, bigger fuel pump, and his Stage II heads/cam package.
Dude,
You're going to have a monster on your hands
Looking forward to the number it will generate 
Simms
Enthusiast
Dude,
You're going to have a monster on your hands
Me too!! Is Larry doing the water/**** on your car too? I thought he mentioned something to me about a kit for your car.
What size lines are you guys running from your trunk to the pump from the snow kit?
Are you locating the pump by the rear of the car or towards the front? I was just wondering if it's upfront, then are the hoses big enough to supply the water/**** system for that long of a distance?
If you are mounting the pump in the rear...how long does it take to pressurize the system?
Are you locating the pump by the rear of the car or towards the front? I was just wondering if it's upfront, then are the hoses big enough to supply the water/**** system for that long of a distance?
If you are mounting the pump in the rear...how long does it take to pressurize the system?
In the Roe instructions, the pump is located at the rear near the water/**** tank. The line running to the front is 1/4". Don't know how long it takes to pressurize. It has a purge feature also included with the kit. 
In the Roe instructions, the pump is located at the rear near the water/**** tank. The line running to the front is 1/4". Don't know how long it takes to pressurize. It has a purge feature also included with the kit.
What does the purge thingy look like? How does it work?
Oh I see...do you guys use the snow map control?
Why not use the 12 volt lead that you control the activation point and just have the pump kick on sooner to purge itself?
Why not use the 12 volt lead that you control the activation point and just have the pump kick on sooner to purge itself?
FLX109
Enthusiast
Got my kit today (HERE WE GO)
Now should I install it myself or should I have it done?
FLX109
Now should I install it myself or should I have it done?
FLX109
FLX109
Enthusiast
where is the best spot to put the jets in the tubes, underneath, or on the sides or does it matter?
I was wondering if maybe the sides were best to keep them out of the way.
I was wondering if maybe the sides were best to keep them out of the way.
S
SUN RA KAT
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I got my kit today!
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