SEBRING WORLD CHALLENGE GT EVENT FRIDAY MARCH 17

[SNKEBIT]

Considering the past difficulty in getting 50 Vipers to attend this great event I don't blame DC for emphasizing the SRT line. Those oh-so-proud Viper owners sure as **** haven't pulled their weight in supporting things like this. It is embarrassing to drive into that big ol' lot capable of accommodating 50 cars and only have a half dozen lonely dedicated Vipers show up.

Friday's event will have at least 10 Comp Coupes racing.

If you don't like watching, hearing and smelling a gazillion horsepower blasting past you at 150mph you bought the wrong car.

Posers and whiners most of you.

I agree w/ Chuck. I go to most of the local events. Prolly a core group shows most of the time, the rest of the posers once and a while.
Don't ***** about something and not promote it.........

 

[Supercharged Vipermad]

Well, since I AM a member of the VCA and the aforementioned Devildog is NOT, I do feel I have a voice. So even though I agree with 99% of the time this time I think you can KMA!

Point taken.

However, it would be hard NOT to interpret the following ANY other way:

SRT along with the VCA will have a Car Corral for all SRT vehicles on Friday, March 17 at Sebring Raceway. We are limited to 50 SRT Vehicles and 100 people.......

Remember, this is a limited space area and only 50 SRT Vehicles will be allowed in it.

99.9% of the population, who are on the OUTSIDE looking IN would read THAT to mean that SRT (Dodge) is having a corral. They have invited the VCA to partake....but only SRT's. Had that been worded as Chris did....making mention of "Vipers" from the Viper Club of America, I doubt there would have been any confusion. Not one person out there would EVER, in a million years, consider a 97 GTS, or a 94 RT/10 an "SRT vehicle"....so why does everyone keep telling us that is what they are considered? I simply boggles my mind (I know....not hard to do these days!!) LOL!

 

[Joseph Houss]

Attention:

GUYS/GALS:

SRT is the NEW name for PVO!

BUT, WE ALL know this!

It's been this way for YEARS!

Yes, there are now MORE performance vehicles from Dodge, and SOMETIMES... just SOMETIMES, it IS possible that Dodge might invite ALL of them!

But, as far as leaving anyone out... rest assured, that was never the intention of Dodge!

ALL VIPERS ARE WELCOME!

 

[Janni]

That was my take - Joe - that it wasn't Vipers only, but Vipers and SRT vehicles.

Like it our not - SRT makes other vehicles - however - they are only SOLELY in charge of the VIPER - all others they are the performance brand. So - all Vipers are under the SRT umbrella, but their other cars are only a small percentage.

I've never taken anything from SRT to exclude any VIPER - as they own that model.

 

[DEVILDOG]

Attention:

GUYS/GALS:

SRT is the NEW name for PVO!

BUT, WE ALL know this!

It's been this way for YEARS!

Yes, there are now MORE performance vehicles from Dodge, and SOMETIMES... just SOMETIMES, it IS possible that Dodge might invite ALL of them!

But, as far as leaving anyone out... rest assured, that was never the intention of Dodge!

ALL VIPERS ARE WELCOME!

Sorry Joe, still not buying the story coming out by you VCA heavyweights. Not ONE of YOU has explained that if that is the case then why was the invitation posted by a ZONE DIRECTOR that must know what you know DID NOT POST THE INVITATION IN THE GEN I & II FORUM or put on the VCA CALENDAR. STILL waiting for an answer to that question. YOU VCA OFFICERS are not responding because you know the original invitation was for SRT BADGED VIPERS ONLY in addition to other SRT BADGED CARS. Quit thinking you guys at the top are smarter than the rest of us.

 

[Janni]

I know he's smarter than at least ONE of you.



Folks - I know Gary - he posted it one place, big deal. he copied and pasted from an email. D-C is corporate - they changed their name from Team Viper to PVO to SRT, and yet - they are pretty much the same people. But they say everything SRT now, wear SRT shirts, business cards and graphics say SRT, etc. Are they focused on older cars? No. Do they want to abandon us - hell no.

Perhaps you would consider taking the conspiracy theories to find the second shooter on the grassy knoll.

 

[Chuck 98 RT/10]

LOL Thanks DD for keeping this thread entertaining and bumped to the top.

Lee Harvey Oswald didn't do it!

And neither did OJ.

 

[DEVILDOG]

I know he's smarter than at least ONE of you.



Folks - I know Gary - he posted it one place, big deal. he copied and pasted from an email. D-C is corporate - they changed their name from Team Viper to PVO to SRT, and yet - they are pretty much the same people. But they say everything SRT now, wear SRT shirts, business cards and graphics say SRT, etc. Are they focused on older cars? No. Do they want to abandon us - hell no.

Perhaps you would consider taking the conspiracy theories to find the second shooter on the grassy knoll.

Since he cut and pasted it, it should have been very easy even for him as a ZONE DIRECTOR to do the same thing on the GEN I & II FORUM especially since he knows like all of you CYA B S VCA OFFICERS OR FORMER OFFICERS(YOU) keep trying to sell the rest of us on that EVERYBODY knows SRT means ALL VIPERS. AGAIN, WHY DID GARY "ZONE DIRECTOR" ONLY POST ON THE SRT FORUM??? And please stop with the SRT business cards, shirts, blah, blah, blah. Even this BOARD still has both VIPER emblems on it and GARY knows that yet still no invite to the GEN I & II FORUM. One thing I do know is that I'm way smarter than YOU and that is why you're NOT convincing me and many others with this SRT crap meaning GEN I & II VIPERS. That is why it took Chris getting hold of SRT HQ to tell them they were making a mistake not including the GEN I & II VIPERS(which the original invite posted ONLY on the SRT FORUM CLEARLY STATED more than once as 50 SRT VEHICLES) and get their permission to include GEN I & II VIPERS and correct the invite on MONDAY! Why didn't GARY the ZONE DIRECOR or CHRIS the PRESIDENT or any other VCA VIP correct it IMMEDIATELY on SUNDAY since EVERYBODY knows SRT means ALL VIPERS??? I always get a kick out of YOU because you think you're so important versus everyone else and if YOU pipe in and say anything everybody is bound to believe it because you are JANNI...WRONG! Please don't insult me or anybody else by trying to sell your load of crap. Putting lipstick on this pig isn't working!

 

[Supercharged Vipermad]

Dead Horse Devildog. I am a firm believer that there is/was no conspiracy on this.....just someone who REALLY should have put more thought and effort into this than a simple (and apparently mindless) copy and paste. I think the only issue now....as far as I'm concerned, is just how many of the powers-that-be are actually that....well....mindless. I wrote to Chris this very concept.....Lashinsky should have caught that and made it right.


Now...ALL SRT's will get their chance to change their oil at my house....AFTER the Vipers are done! LOL

 

[Supercharged Vipermad]

Oh....and somewhere I even posted that I should have recognized the snafu by said ZD and should have clarified and rectified it.....but I didn't.

 

[Warfang]

Dead Horse Devildog. I am a firm believer that there is/was no conspiracy on this...

While I might be persuaded to believe that there was no conspiracy in the beginning, there sure is one now to cover each other's @$$es. Vipermad seems to be the only one up top that's willing to say there was a screwup. The original posts did not pass the common sense test for "All Vipers are invited". How anyone else can defend it is beyond me.

IMO, DD has already made his case, and TPTB should just take their lumps, quit while they're behind, and **** (I'm acronym-happy today). Somehow I think the petty bickering will continue...

 

[VPRVENM97]

Chris, thanks for taking the time to straighten this out. You're a class act.

Now back to the original thread started by Gary. The way I read it, it was very clear that it was:

1. A Dodge/VCA sponsered event.
2. The invitation was to "SRT Vehicles."
3. No mention of "Viper" in the original posting.

It's not hard to mention "Viper" since the "V" in VCA stands for Viper. This website is viperclub.org. The word itself is only five letters long and not hard to spell. It was obviously left out for a reason. Because corporate wants to market the new stuff and not the old stuff. Since when do our dues go to sponsering events for other cars?

I understand from Chris's post that all Vipers are now welcome. But are we paying our dues to VCA to sponser Neons and Pickup trucks? I just checked my membership card and it says, "VIPER CLUB OF AMERICA." I checked my previous cards and they all say, "VIPER CLUB OF AMERICA." No where on there does it say PVO, SRT, Neon, Pickup, Magnum or Charger. We have VOI's we don't have SRTOI's. I have nothing against those other vehicles. I own a Viper, I am a member of the Viper Club of America. Not the PVO club of America, the SRT club of America or the Neon Club of America. They can go out and form their own clubs. Is this the direction VCA is going?

What's next? SRT corrals at ALMS? I guess the term "Viper Corral" will no longer be used.

If Dodge/VCA expects loyalty from its customers/members, they should show some loyalty.

 

[DEVILDOG]

Chris, thanks for taking the time to straighten this out. You're a class act.

Now back to the original thread started by Gary. The way I read it, it was very clear that it was:

1. A Dodge/VCA sponsered event.
2. The invitation was to "SRT Vehicles."
3. No mention of "Viper" in the original posting.

It's not hard to mention "Viper" since the "V" in VCA stands for Viper. This website is viperclub.org. The word itself is only five letters long and not hard to spell. It was obviously left out for a reason. Because corporate wants to market the new stuff and not the old stuff. Since when do our dues go to sponsering events for other cars?

I understand from Chris's post that all Vipers are now welcome. But are we paying our dues to VCA to sponser Neons and Pickup trucks? I just checked my membership card and it says, "VIPER CLUB OF AMERICA." I checked my previous cards and they all say, "VIPER CLUB OF AMERICA." No where on there does it say PVO, SRT, Neon, Pickup, Magnum or Charger. We have VOI's we don't have SRTOI's. I have nothing against those other vehicles. I own a Viper, I am a member of the Viper Club of America. Not the PVO club of America, the SRT club of America or the Neon Club of America. They can go out and form their own clubs. Is this the direction VCA is going?

What's next? SRT corrals at ALMS? I guess the term "Viper Corral" will no longer be used.

If Dodge/VCA expects loyalty from its customers/members, they should show some loyalty.

WELL SAID!!! Oh no!!! Janni please come to the rescue as the GREAT SAVIOUR and ALL IMPORTANT person you are...VPRVENM97 and Warfang don't believe your crap either. Got any lipstick left?

 

[Supercharged Vipermad]

devildog....this is the only warning you are going to get...

everyone seems to be able to discuss the issue without making it personal. You get on board with that....or I will take it personal....please. I am over and done with reading personal jabs from you....was that clear enough?

 

[Warfang]

devildog....this is the only warning you are going to get...

everyone seems to be able to discuss the issue without making it personal. You get on board with that....or I will take it personal....please. I am over and done with reading personal jabs from you....was that clear enough?

I have to agree with Vipermad on this DD... You've already won on this issue. Let them lick their wounds, try to save a little face and laugh about it. No sense grinding their heads into the sand.

It's not a jarhead's habit to back down, but you gotta cease fire before the bodycount, no?

 

[Chuck 98 RT/10]

And after all this I still suspect I'll see less than a dozen Vipers in turn one.

I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Supercharged Vipermad]

we have your 2!

 

[DEVILDOG]

I know he's smarter than at least ONE of you.

Vipermad,
Does your warning apply to everyone? Janni initiated the insults.

 

[Chuck 98 RT/10]

we have your 2!

So far me, Terry 97 B/W RT/10 and Dave 97 B/W GTS are cruising Friday and maybe Terry and me Saturday. So there's three. I imagine Lee Saunders will be there.

Anyone else? PM or email me.

 

[Supercharged Vipermad]

I know he's smarter than at least ONE of you.

Vipermad,
Does your warning apply to everyone? Janni initiated the insults.

1) Janni poked fun at you.
2) You dished it back out.
3) You dished it back out.
4) You dished it back out......

See where I'm going with that? IF the shoe fits....it fits everyone.

To even imply that I see things any other way is an insult. Point is....the point has been made. Your continued blasts are now doing nothing but causing you to lose the people standing behind you.

To ease your mind..if Jani continues to pick on you I will deal with it equally.

 

[DEVILDOG]

I know he's smarter than at least ONE of you.

Vipermad,
Does your warning apply to everyone? Janni initiated the insults.

1) Janni poked fun at you.
2) You dished it back out.
3) You dished it back out.
4) You dished it back out......

See where I'm going with that? IF the shoe fits....it fits everyone.

To even imply that I see things any other way is an insult. Point is....the point has been made. Your continued blasts are now doing nothing but causing you to lose the people standing behind you.

To ease your mind..if Jani continues to pick on you I will deal with it equally.

I don't agree that Janni was poking FUN at me. However, I agree with your position regarding personal attacks. People can make up their own minds on whether or not SRT included GEN I & II VIPERS in the original invitation or not based on what the original invitation said and the FACT that it was not posted on the GEN I & II FORUM. Apologies to Janni on the personal comments but not on my comments regarding the CYA B S story she and Joe and Chris(along with SRT HQ) decided to participate in. I'm done.

 

[Bonkers]

I've kept my opinion open about this - I figured it was just a slip of the keyboard.

but...


As much as I like Dodge and its sponcership, I think its a huge injustice for them to be coming to our club and pandering to a segment of its client base. I agree that its only logical for them to be promoting their current, but not at the expense of intentionally ignoring their past buyers.

The more appropriate step would have been for someone at dodge - or a VCA Offical to have come here and said "Hey there's this SRT-Only event at Sebring, but DC wants us all there..." Would have gone over much better me thinks...

 

[Supercharged Vipermad]

DevilDog....sorry, when I wrote "poking fun" I really meant "busting your cajones"...which is kinda how I read it. No worries.

Bonks....yes, the wording needed to be different. Basically, if Dodge wants to invite the VCA...then it should be worded so that V stands for Vipers. Thats it! A 30 second proofread and slight edit would have been priceless.

PM me about your latest pictures.

 

[DEVILDOG]

S/CVIPERMAD, WE'RE COOL! THANKS!

 

[GR8_ASP]

So, not so as to beat this dead horse, but how would you interpret this:

CEMA car show (Chrysler employee motorsports association) for Chrysler vehicles.

Now what cars would this encompass?
A Plymouth. Hmm no could not be as Chrysler no longer makes a Plymouth.
A Desoto.Hmm no could not be as Chrysler no longer makes a Desoto.
An AMC. Hmm no could not be as Chrysler never made an AMC.
An Eagle. Hmm no could not be as Chrysler no longer makes an Eagle.
And so forth

No it means any and all cars associated with Chrysler now and in the past.

Now, if Dodge indicates a car show for SRT vehicles what do you think they mean? Of course all vehicles that the SRT is and has been associated with. That would be Viper, Prowler and the current group of SRT vehicles (Ram SRT-10, Crossfire SRT-6, 300 SRT-8, Grand Cherokee SRT-8, SRT-4, etc). The only mistake I have seen is that he only posted it in the Gen III and Events forums (yes he placed it in 2 locations to the best of my knowledge) and Events is where it should have been posted.

 

[DEVILDOG]

So, not so as to beat this dead horse, but how would you interpret this:

CEMA car show (Chrysler employee motorsports association) for Chrysler vehicles.

Now what cars would this encompass?
A Plymouth. Hmm no could not be as Chrysler no longer makes a Plymouth.
A Desoto.Hmm no could not be as Chrysler no longer makes a Desoto.
An AMC. Hmm no could not be as Chrysler never made an AMC.
An Eagle. Hmm no could not be as Chrysler no longer makes an Eagle.
And so forth

No it means any and all cars associated with Chrysler now and in the past.

Now, if Dodge indicates a car show for SRT vehicles what do you think they mean? Of course all vehicles that the SRT is and has been associated with. That would be Viper, Prowler and the current group of SRT vehicles (Ram SRT-10, Crossfire SRT-6, 300 SRT-8, Grand Cherokee SRT-8, SRT-4, etc). The only mistake I have seen is that he only posted it in the Gen III and Events forums (yes he placed it in 2 locations to the best of my knowledge) and Events is where it should have been posted.

blah...blah...blah...keep trying as that was weak and wrong!

 

[Supercharged Vipermad]

Your point is understood.....but....

If Dodge (or anyone else for that matter) wants to invite the VCA to an event....it should be disseminated to the Viper Club of America members as such, and it should be clear that the Vipers are invited.

All along I think we all agree that had the post been worded better....we'd all be good.

Personally, I am a member of the VCA. I do NOT own anything "SRT"....in my mind, if I am invited to an event I don't want to read anything about a limit of SRT vehicles. That, in and of itself, basically means the VCA is not included.

I know, I know....semantics. But...my wife isn't in the same state as me so I can't get into semantics with her.

Now, it would be different if, for an SRT event, the organizer invited select (possibly local) SRT Owners (includes Jeep, SRT-4, Ram, Magnum, etc.). I, myself, wouldn't feel left out.

There was one other mistake that a seasoned Zone Director should have fixed...the wording. Take the wording, add it to mistake #1 and you get a HUGE thing called chaos.

Peace!

 

[GR8_ASP]

I guess it all depends on your perspective. To the SRT team, the Viper (all of them) are their vehicles (designed by the SRT team). Thus they are SRT vehicles to them. So when they refer to SRT vehicles they mean all of them. It matters not what they were called at the time.

We did not seem to have this issue when they called them PVO vehicles. Why? Gen I were produced under the Team Viper monicker. And had no association with the Prowler. Then PVO was created and included Prowler as well. So if PVO had a PVO vehicle event both Prowlers and Vipers were included. Attended some myself. And I did not make a fit over the use of PVO even though my Gen I was clearly a Team Viper vehicle.

This is all semantics. From what I understand Gary pasted what the SRT provided. They would provide that from their perspective. To put any other spin on it is incorrect.

BTW he did post it in the events forum. So it was placed for all to read. He mistake was in posting it in the Gen III forum. Here is the post http://vca2.viperclub.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB13&Number=652757&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=14&fpart=1

 

[Supercharged Vipermad]

Comedy of errors.

 

[DEVILDOG]

I guess it all depends on your perspective. To the SRT team, the Viper (all of them) are their vehicles (designed by the SRT team). Thus they are SRT vehicles to them. So when they refer to SRT vehicles they mean all of them. It matters not what they were called at the time.

We did not seem to have this issue when they called them PVO vehicles. Why? Gen I were produced under the Team Viper monicker. And had no association with the Prowler. Then PVO was created and included Prowler as well. So if PVO had a PVO vehicle event both Prowlers and Vipers were included. Attended some myself. And I did not make a fit over the use of PVO even though my Gen I was clearly a Team Viper vehicle.

This is all semantics. From what I understand Gary pasted what the SRT provided. They would provide that from their perspective. To put any other spin on it is incorrect.

BTW he did post it in the events forum. So it was placed for all to read. He mistake was in posting it in the Gen III forum. Here is the post http://vca2.viperclub.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB13&Number=652757&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=14&fpart=1

Sorry, no sale. You can talk semantics all day long and it isn't going to convince anyone. Besides semantics has nothing to do with interpreting SRT to mean GEN I & II VIPERS(NON-SRT BADGED). Additionally, I'm the one that first pointed out that Gary's posts were done in the SRT Forum and the Events Forum in the threads that vanished. The fact that he went to the trouble of posting in the SRT Forum and the Events Forum only makes it more apparent that his not posting in the GEN I & II FORUM was not an oversight of omission but evidence of the FACT that non-SRT badged VIPERS were not originally invited in the message from SRT HQ and from the ZONE DIRECTOR's belief in that interpretation of the message. If it had not vanished from the Board it would be easy for all to see. However, it was vanished(not deleted but VANISHED...no record it ever existed) so no one else could read it. It is obvious why it was vanished. I wonder who did that...SRT HQ and/or VCA HQ? Nice to be able to destroy and wipe out your mistake and claim(in my opinion lie) that the message meant ALL VIPERS instead of admitting you screwed up, apologize and indicate that GEN I & II VIPERS will hence forth always be included in joint SRT/VCA EVENTS and move on. Had that been done I would have been the first one to pat them on the back and say "well done". However, they chose to go the cover up route and now they are stuck with it. So please quit with the semantics B S. Just because Bill Clinton got away with it and didn't get thrown out of office dosen't mean it still works.