Several questions about the Gen II intake manifold.

[Jance GTS]

1. What should I expect to pay to have my intake and valve covers professional painted red? (all prep work will be completed by me)

2. Is there manifold gaskets? If so, do I need to replace them after paint?

3. Is their a special tool I need to remove the injectors? Part #....

4. I will be polishing the strips myself. What grit of sand paper should I start and end with before final polishing?

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5. There is a port on the drivers side that has a cap on it. What is it used for? I've never seen ANY Viper that has anything attached to it.

6. (Picky) I hate where they mounted the throttle cable. Has anyone ever rerouted it along the intake instead of in front of the valve covers?

7. There is a little brass fitting on the passenger side. What is this for?

I may have some more questions. Thanks for the help!

 

[KNG SNKE]

There are manifold gaskets and they should be replaced after removing the manifold.
The port of on the drivers side is just a vacuum fitting if I am not mistaken. May have been used before, just not after production.
The brass fitting I believe is the fuel pressure relief valve.
No special tool to remove injectors.
As far as the throttle cable where there is a will there is a way, just have not seen it done.

 

[Fatboy 18]

Now if you were a VCA member, removing the intake manifold was covered in the Magazine with a photo pictorial

No 7 is a fuel pressure release valve (used when you remove the manifold)

No 6 I too am not a fan of the throttle cable mounting, I have a cable company near me and I was going to see if they could make me a cable with a red outer cover
(just have not got around to it yet)

No 2 Yes there are manifold gaskets. If you have the manifold off, it would also be a good time to change the Thermostat and gasket, also the Pcv valve

 

[Jack B]

The 7 is a Schrader valve, it is there to test fue pressure. The oem injector connectors are terrible, you should replace them, otherwise, you may have intermittant problems after you reconnect - sure a lot of trouble to paint a manifold that looks good to begin with.

 

[Jance GTS]

The port of on the drivers side is just a vacuum fitting if I am not mistaken. May have been used before, just not after production.

So basically it's a worthless port now, or would I need to use it at some point later on?

Now if you were a VCA member, removing the intake manifold was covered in the Magazine with a photo pictorial

No 6 I too am not a fan of the throttle cable mounting, I have a cable company near me and I was going to see if they could make me a cable with a red outer cover
(just have not got around to it yet)

I haven't removed my intake yet so I bought another one so i can prep it for paint and just swap it out after paint. I'll have to look into the guide later on. I used to be a member a year ago

Let me know if you get a new cable, i'd like to see different options.

The 7 is a Schrader valve, it is there to test fue pressure. The oem injector connectors are terrible, you should replace them, otherwise, you may have intermittant problems after you reconnect - sure a lot of trouble to paint a manifold that looks good to begin with.

How would I replace the OEM injector connectors? Cut and splice? Has anyone ever had issues after unhooking them?

Also, I just like everything to match, faded red just doesn't work for me, plus I've made mods to the intake to enhance the overall look by removing imperfections in the casting and useless other blemishes. I'm just picky

Thanks for all the help!!!!

 

[Jance GTS]

Since I'm grinding off the powder coating for paint, what is the best way to clean out the inside? Just use water or is there something specific I should or shouldn't use?

 

[MTGTS]

1. I'd guess $200-$300
2. Yes, there is gaskets. Yes, you should replace them. (around $40)
3. no special tool
4. depending on how bad they are I'd go 800 wet, 2000 wet then some billet polish. If they are really bad you can start with 400 wet. Polish BEFORE you get them repainted
5. that is a vacuum port for the evap system. You might have a code if it's not connected. There is a small tube with a rubber 90 that connects to it.
6. No
7. schrader valve for the fuel system

 

[Jance GTS]

5. that is a vacuum port for the evap system. You might have a code if it's not connected. There is a small tube with a rubber 90 that connects to it.

I've never seen anything ever connected to it on any Gen 2's. I've only seen a rubber cap that closes it off. There isn't any hoses that i see that should connect to it. Maybe it's a year specific thing? Mine is a 2000.

Once you take off the Tb's, you can see the port from the inside. Not sure if there is a special function for it or not?

 

[MTGTS]

I have a 1999 and there was a tube that connects to it. There is also one on the rear pass side IIRC. I have sold my Gen 2 manifold and swapped over to a Gen 3 manifold so I can't really take pics to show you. I did retain the factory lines that were there they are just run differently as obviously the ports are different now.

 

[MTGTS]

Here is a pic of the line on the rear pass side. It's the same tubing and connector that was on the front drivers side on mine as well. It might not be the Evap line as I think that was the bigger tube. I don't have my car here with me right now to trace the line but I know I have it.

Edit: I found another pic where you can see it.

 

[DrumrBoy]

Check the exposed metal (e.g. the Viper word and Sneaky Pete) with some magnification. Sometimes the metal has small voids in it (bubbles during casting or imperfections, I don't know?) and you can drive yourself bonkers trying to sand/polish them out....they won't go away. Don't worry, anybody looking at them from 2 feet away won't see them, but when you're polishing it can drive you crazy......hopefully yours don't have the issue.

 

[Jance GTS]

Thanks for the info!

The one on the passenger side is for the vacuum line for the ac. I have Gen 3 valve covers going as well.

The reason why I'm asking about the port valve on the drivers is, i bought another intake and that port was bent during shipping. If i don't need to replace it so I can use it, then I would rather have someone weld up the hole and be done with it so I don't have a leaking port if i can't get one to work.

 

[MTGTS]

the drivers side port is for the purge valve

 

[Tagoo]

6. (Picky) I hate where they mounted the throttle cable. Has anyone ever rerouted it along the intake instead of in front of the valve covers?

Hey Jance, I don't know if you are still looking for an answer to this, but i was talking to my buddy who is a custom car builder. He put a viper motor in a '41 Lincoln Zephyr. To get the clean look you want, he simply swapped the left and right throttle bodies. The result is that the throttle cable ends up on the bottom of the passenger side throttle body. Then the throttle cable can be run under the intake runners, hiding it from view. I think you still have to fab up something so you can mount the cable bracket under the intake manifold (I didn't ask him how he did that).

 

[Jance GTS]

Hey Jance, I don't know if you are still looking for an answer to this, but i was talking to my buddy who is a custom car builder. He put a viper motor in a '41 Lincoln Zephyr. To get the clean look you want, he simply swapped the left and right throttle bodies. The result is that the throttle cable ends up on the bottom of the passenger side throttle body. Then the throttle cable can be run under the intake runners, hiding it from view. I think you still have to fab up something so you can mount the cable bracket under the intake manifold (I didn't ask him how he did that).

Awesome! That sounds perfect! I'm still looking to do this for sure and that sounds like a clean and easy way to do it. Can you find out how he mounted the cable? I'd love to see pictures of this if you he has any?

Thanks for the reply I think this will put me on the right track!

 

[Chuck 98 RT/10]

Ease of maintenance is more important to me than cosmetics. A busted cable is gonna be a bigger PITA to replace if it is routed under the manifold.

Are you painting it or powdercoating it?

 

[ViperTony]

Port #5 has been used with the VEC for Roe Superchargers to read boost/vacuum as the OEM map on the GenII does not read boost. I've also used that port to test vacuum. That's about it. Painting/Powdercoating the intake is a challenge. It's pourous and rough and will require a good sanding if you're looking for a perfectly smooth finish. Mine was awful but the powdercoating came out nice. Many have also had very nice results with paining their intake too. Have fun with it.

 

[Jance GTS]

Ease of maintenance is more important to me than cosmetics. A busted cable is gonna be a bigger PITA to replace if it is routed under the manifold.

Are you painting it or powdercoating it?

I agree with you Chuck! And I know that when you customize anything that opens the door for errors such as a failed cable. If the cable had issues it would be harder to work on but I have a few ideas that wouldn't make it a hard thing to accomplish.

The Valve covers and intake will all be painted.

Port #5 has been used with the VEC for Roe Superchargers to read boost/vacuum as the OEM map on the GenII does not read boost. I've also used that port to test vacuum. That's about it. Painting/Powdercoating the intake is a challenge. It's pourous and rough and will require a good sanding if you're looking for a perfectly smooth finish. Mine was awful but the powdercoating came out nice. Many have also had very nice results with paining their intake too. Have fun with it.

I really don't see the need for Port #5 for my setup. I'm really thinking about welding it up after i grind down the ****.

(Hear me out) I'm not an expert on the port holes on this intake, but I really don't see the location of them makes a huge difference? If I were to relocate the ports to the back side of the intake, wouldn't that be just the same as if it were on the side of the intake?

To me there is just to much clutter on the sides of the intake for the look that I am waiting to go with for the end result. I know some people won't see my logic but that's okay with me.

You can explain to me wither or not the location on the ports is relevant to the working order of the hoses attached to them. I'd like a little further explanation. Thanks!

 

[Jance GTS]

Here is what I have done so far. It has taken quite a bit to get to this point but it will be worth it. I still have a lot of tedious work to do and there is a lot of powder coat in some tight places. I'm grinding off all the casting lines in between and anything else that doesn't belong. This will be completely smoothed out when I get done with it.

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[DrumrBoy]

Wow, that's a lot of tedious work, but getting rid of the casting seams may be worth the effort. You'll definitely have the nicest Gen 2 intake around though when its done.

 

[Grisoman]

You definitely have a lot of time on your hands; shouldn't this be a winter project for someone from Oklahoma? Good work, but get out and drive that thing ASAP.

 

[Jance GTS]

You definitely have a lot of time on your hands; shouldn't this be a winter project for someone from Oklahoma? Good work, but get out and drive that thing ASAP.

It never fails! There is always someone that will tell me I have to much time on my hands no matter what I'm doing!

I bought this intake so my car is still drivable, however it's sitting at an interior shop getting a complete custom interior, so this is my "winter" project. It will be well worth the effort when I'm done.

 

[Jance GTS]

Wow, that's a lot of tedious work, but getting rid of the casting seams may be worth the effort. You'll definitely have the nicest Gen 2 intake around though when its done.

Thank you sir! That's what I'm shooting for! Tedious work doesn't bother me because I'm after the best finished product I can get. I hate deadlines because it just cuts the quality short. I won't point out what I cut off and grinded smooth just yet, but there are several things on this intake that has no use, so it will be eliminated.

 

[Bird325]

Seriously, Jance, are you going to drive it or polish parts until they shine? I can appreciate someone wanting to have the 'prettiest' whatever, but this is a car that is meant to be DRIVEN, not shined up and just looked at! To each their own, but that's a lot of work that most people won't even appreciate.

 

[Jance GTS]

Seriously, Jance, are you going to drive it or polish parts until they shine? I can appreciate someone wanting to have the 'prettiest' whatever, but this is a car that is meant to be DRIVEN, not shined up and just looked at! To each their own, but that's a lot of work that most people won't even appreciate.

This car is a driver, just not right now! I'm getting everything finished this year so I can enjoy it next year. What's wrong with that? I'm doing this for myself as a reward. I don't care what other people think about my car. I'm just glad I get the chance to own my dream car.

I hate the faint powder coated red intake and valve covers. To me when you open the hood and you see that it really kills the overall appearance of the car because it looks cheap. I want people to be blown away when I pop the hood. Owning a stock Viper just isn't enough for me. I do plan to show it at car shows so I know some people WILL appreciate what has been done to it. And if they don't... Well I guess I can't please everyone.

I'm just a detail driven person. How many red Vipers do you see that really stand out to you? Even though Vipers are less common than most, I'd still rather separate myself from the crowd of red Vipers. What's wrong with be an individual?

Back to the garage to smooth out more on this intake.

I know someone will tell me "If you want people to be blown away when you pop the hood, just add a supercharger." Blah blah blah

 

[Viper Specialty]

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[Jance GTS]

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Sorry, Try it now I cleaned it out. Thanks!