The 08 ACR Is A Bargain Compared To This

[Grant]

I would bet a lot of money the ACR is faster around most any track. The ZR1 will certainly have it in a straight line, but the rear-biased weight distribution and shorter wheelbase of the Viper should help it put down the power better.

Magazine comparisons aren't going to mean much because the ACR comes with stickier tires (PS Cups) than the ZR1 (PS2s).

IMO the big advantage of the ZR1 is the carbon brakes. I know Stoptechs are great, but high HP cars go through brakes like candy when tracked. It would be nice if that was no longer the case with a carbon brake setup.

Does anyone know what the production volume on the ZR1 is going to be? That should help estimate its dealer markup.

 

[Venomiss]

I was one of those in line for a ZR1 since I have owned Vettes for over 20 years. When they got ridiculous I pulled out of the game and ordered an ACR which is a much better looking car anyway!

This is the color scheme for mine:

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That is going to be very nice! Who did you order it from and what status are you in?

Only thing that's a better buy is to purchase a raffle ticket and win the 2009.
For VCA members of course!

 

[SweetRed04]

People are free to do what they want, but paying big bucks for a ZR-1 is strictly a big dollar speculative gamble.

As for a sports car to drive, I have to have a convertible, no dice on Corvettes over 436 HP- Advantage Viper.

If were to have a coupe, the Viper wins big time over an MSRP ZR1 (Style!!), and if I were going over $150K, a Ford GT even used (lots of low mileage cars out there) would be my choice!!

 

[Lawrenzo]

Does anyone know what the production volume on the ZR1 is going to be? That should help estimate its dealer markup.

2,000 units a year. That's a pretty high number I would think. But there are a TON of Corvette freaks out there so time will tell.

 

[vincy]

$150K??? Holy crap. What a rip-off. Even if you decided to upgrade the exhaust and headers on the '08 you'd still be way ahead in savings not to mention that you'll have an exclusive, bad-ass Viper. It'll be that more gratifying when you park the ACR next to a ZR1 and watch everyone crowd around the ACR.

Actually the dealer wanted more than 150K. He wanted MSRP plus 50K on top. The ZR1 is priced at about 103K and everyone will get the 10K option, so he wanted 113 + 50K, 163k total.

 

[99 R/T 10]

Nothing new there. Remember 1987 Buick GNX's selling for over $40K?

First edition ZR1s almost 20 years ago doing $100K? I know of a guy who bought four of those at that price. Took a serious bath.

1992 RT/10s doing $100K?

And, most recently, local dealers here in Hampton Roads, VA, marking up Challengers. A local dealer sold one last week for $62K.

If somebody wants to buy a black 08 SRT convert with ground effects for an extra $20K over MSRP, go by Downey Dodge in SOCAL

 

[Andrew/USPWR]

I wouldn't own it.

Still looks like a kit car to me and, lets just wait and see what kind of issues they have with those superchargers.

 

[Kenneth Krieger]

On my way home today traveling along I-10 about 50 miles west of the Phoenix metro area, I thought, "well I'll just count how many vettes I see on my way home today!" I know this will be hard to believe, but I counted 27!!! 27!! That's in a 65 mile freeway ride. Do you really think the average Joe will even notice a ZR-1? As I have stated many times......my good friend is a vette guy, and even he says......"they're a dime a dozen, I wish I'd have bought the Viper instead!" Only other vette owners notice other vettes.............$162K for an S/C'd ZO-6? I don't think so Tim!!!!

 

[Alexarz]

I find it hard to believe that a lot of people will buy ZR1's at those inflated prices. The car is going to be a complete failure just as the previous ZR1 was. If Chevy knew what the people really wanted they would have made a better looking vette with an aluminum big block n/a motor, rather than a supercharged small block. By GM's own admission, the Z06 is the superior road course car and we all know how the ACR ***** slaps the Z06. Most people don't even race these cars but it is all about status and the ACR is going to give the ZR1 its head on a platter. How many people are going to pay 150k for a car when they can buy an ACR for 50k less? Corvettes have been around for a long time and have many fans but most of them don't have the money for a 150k car. This is all going much better for the Viper than I thought it would, when I first heard about the ZR1. As it looks now, The ZR1 will be a complete failure.

 

[snakeplissken]

People are free to do what they want, but paying big bucks for a ZR-1 is strictly a big dollar speculative gamble.

As for a sports car to drive, I have to have a convertible, no dice on Corvettes over 436 HP- Advantage Viper.

If were to have a coupe, the Viper wins big time over an MSRP ZR1 (Style!!), and if I were going over $150K, a Ford GT even used (lots of low mileage cars out there) would be my choice!!

I agree a real supercar FGT or a "Vette".

 

[Bluvenm97]

I still get Corvette Quarterly (had an 02 Z), and the newest issue has several articles on the ZR1.
Some of you guys can bash it all you want, but the thing is pretty impressive from a technological point of view -- the engineering that went into that thing is awesome. Corvettes are a different animal, I wouldn't ever knock a car that puts out 638HP, has a dry sump system, has ice cold air, and can still be a daily driver. Best of all, its freakin AMERICAN

Give the bowtie guys some props.

With that being said, I still love my GTS more Classic curves....

 

[jamie furman]

i Would Bet A Lot Of Money The Acr Is Faster Around Most Any Track. The Zr1 Will Certainly Have It In A Straight Line, But The Rear-biased Weight Distribution And Shorter Wheelbase Of The Viper Should Help It Put Down The Power Better.

Magazine Comparisons Aren't Going To Mean Much Because The Acr Comes With Stickier Tires (ps Cups) Than The Zr1 (ps2s).

Imo The Big Advantage Of The Zr1 Is The Carbon Brakes. I Know Stoptechs Are Great, But High Hp Cars Go Through Brakes Like Candy When Tracked. It Would Be Nice If That Was No Longer The Case With A Carbon Brake Setup.

Does Anyone Know What The Production Volume On The Zr1 Is Going To Be? That Should Help Estimate Its Dealer Markup.

I agree that you can't really do any comparison before you have all the cars in the comparison on the same rubber with the same driver doing the test, anything else is just magazine bs and you really can't put anything into it.

 

[Billy Coons]

But it is still just a Vette, and to the untrained eye looks like any other Vette out there. the ACR looks SOOO much better.

Yea, but to the untrained eye, the ACR looks like a ricer-moded Viper.

 

[Billy Coons]

And, most recently, local dealers here in Hampton Roads, VA, marking up Challengers. A local dealer sold one last week for $62K.

Ahhh yes, saw that one at Hall Dodge...car show there this Saturday 8-4pm. Will be several Vipers there!

 

[jamie furman]

I still get Corvette Quarterly (had an 02 Z), and the newest issue has several articles on the ZR1.
Some of you guys can bash it all you want, but the thing is pretty impressive from a technological point of view -- the engineering that went into that thing is awesome. Corvettes are a different animal, I wouldn't ever knock a car that puts out 638HP, has a dry sump system, has ice cold air, and can still be a daily driver. Best of all, its freakin AMERICAN

Give the bowtie guys some props.

With that being said, I still love my GTS more Classic curves....

Man you hit the nail on the head! Thats why I bought a Z06 and the ACR because they both offer something the other doesn't, and I don't think an intelligent person with a significant bit of knowledge about these cars could bash any of them unless they are completely blind with ignorance or bias!

 

[snakeplissken]

I agree that you can't really do any comparison before you have all the cars in the comparison on the same rubber with the same driver doing the test, anything else is just magazine bs and you really can't put anything into it.

Actually the way they leave the showroom floor is how they should be tested along with equall drivers and same day testing on the same track. If the ZR's tires aren't good enough then Chevy should have put better tires on it from the factory. SRT stated from the beginning that they knew the ZR1 was coming and they were ready to beat it. Around a road course the ACR will walk all over the ZR1 no way a magneto suspension is going to stay with a full race suspension. I think you have to give credit to Dodge for building a car like the ACR.
I like the ZR1 Chevy has done a good job with it I've owned many vettes and some day will probably have a ZR1, But if your talking street "Presence" my 08SSG gets 10 times more attention then my C6Z.

 

[jamie furman]

Actually the way they leave the showroom floor is how they should be tested along with equall drivers and same day testing on the same track. If the ZR's tires aren't good enough then Chevy should have put better tires on it from the factory. SRT stated from the beginning that they knew the ZR1 was coming and they were ready to beat it. Around a road course the ACR will walk all over the ZR1 no way a magneto suspension is going to stay with a full race suspension. I think you have to give credit to Dodge for building a car like the ACR.
I like the ZR1 Chevy has done a good job with it I've owned many vettes and some day will probably have a ZR1, But if your talking street "Presence" my 08SSG gets 10 times more attention then my C6Z.

I am not debating which one looks better and gets more attention, I agree with you about their looks thats one of the reasons I bought an ACR, but it was more than that for me as I want something I can go to the track with and perform well. I don't really care about street presence whatever that is? I guess you could say my Ford Gt has the street presence your talking about, and to most people except the extremely biased the regular Viper has a better look than even the ZR1 and will definately attract more attention than any Vette and if thats what your looking for by all means I would buy a Viper. But for me I don't care how they test off the showroom floor because when I get to the track the racers will have race tires on them and then you will have a more realistic view of a said cars potential, especically one putting out the HP of the ZR1. I was never one for magazine racing anyway because its usually not very reliable in the real world. I race fairly often and for me personally I wouldn't campaign a S/C car as I think they heat soak bad and lose alot of power as they get hot. I think the ACR is basically a race car you can take on the street occasionally and the ZR1 will be a street car that you can take on the track occasionally IMO. Also I haven't read any head to head tests with a ZR1 against anything, have you?

 

[Kenneth Krieger]

S/C means heat soak......N/A will defintely go the distance in comparison......my money is on the ACR.

 

[snakeplissken]

I am not debating which one looks better and gets more attention, I agree with you about their looks thats one of the reasons I bought an ACR, but it was more than that for me as I want something I can go to the track with and perform well. I don't really care about street presence whatever that is? I guess you could say my Ford Gt has the street presence your talking about, and to most people except the extremely biased the regular Viper has a better look than even the ZR1 and will definately attract more attention than any Vette and if thats what your looking for by all means I would buy a Viper. But for me I don't care how they test off the showroom floor because when I get to the track the racers will have race tires on them and then you will have a more realistic view of a said cars potential, especically one putting out the HP of the ZR1. I was never one for magazine racing anyway because its usually not very reliable in the real world. I race fairly often and for me personally I wouldn't campaign a S/C car as I think they heat soak bad and lose alot of power as they get hot. I think the ACR is basically a race car you can take on the street occasionally and the ZR1 will be a street car that you can take on the track occasionally IMO. Also I haven't read any head to head tests with a ZR1 against anything, have you?

I haven't seen any testing between the ACR and the ZR1 but it can't be far away. Alot of people really want to see these two face off, It should be interesting.