Tire damage (pics)

Nadine UK GTS

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Would you get in touch with Michelin if this happened to your snakes tire? With correct pressures, I don't think this should happen even if it were being pushed on a track!

I drove it like this at + 140 mph (!) something didn't feel 'right' so I stopped and checked all his wheels / tires over, didn't find it until I got home and checked him over again.

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(Thanks to UK member Neil for help with posting my pics, again).
 

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Dam Nadine, glad it didn't explode on you at that speed! I would have a Mich. rep look at it, but don't expect much from them frogs :D
 

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Scary stuff, at least you didn't have a blow out. Viewing these pictures doesn't exactly boost my confidence in Michelin tires.

I would go back where you bought car and see if they can contact a Michelin rep for you. I would be more concerned with "why" in order to prevent this from happening again.

Good Luck,

John
 

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I would definitely try to get in touch with them. There does not appear to have any abuse or extreme temps on that tire. For the tire to have adhesive failure is scary indeed. Lucky it didn't propogate all around and ... Don't want to think about that.

Time to see the Michelin man.
 

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Nadine, any chance this tire was damaged prior like a curb hit, *** hole, etc? That could inlict damage that would show up later. Were these the tires that you had when you had the accident?

Just a thought.
 
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Thanks for your advice, I will see if I can get a UK Michelin rep to take a look at it (bought tires in USA). Note the damage is on the inner half.

Any warranty is possibly void for track use? Parts of the track / tarmac weren't in the best state of maintaince. It's a big chunk out of that tire, didn't think good quality tires were supposed to shed bits of tread like that! This set have never been abused or in any accident. I wish we could still get the MX3's, I preferred those.
 

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I have seen Michelin give a 50% discount when it was not their fault.......they did it for public relations .....it worked. Nadine, please make sure you update us with their response. It is also interesting that the damage is towards the center of the tire.

Cudaman :usa:
 

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If you complain to Michelin, be sure that you DO NOT show them your Avatar. :)
 

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I tore a chunk just like out of my left rear tire last summer while in the process of finishing them off. A few donuts and then the next day, a 80 footer right thru first gear. I was at about 3/32's when I started the fun. I attributed the chunk coming out to the road surface which was a little coarse where the burnout was done. Luckily, I saw it from behind the car when I got home. I changed them the next day. I now have 4 more sets of rears stockpiled. I'm a sucker for a sale. I figure a set a summer should be about right.

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Glad your alright Nadine.

Too bad you're not in Florida, you could have ridden the tread-separation-ruined-my-life-campaign all the way to the bank.
 

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Someone needs to find out what the Michelin Pilot Sport failures were during open road race events that lead to the C1 carcass variation. John B might know this one.

Nadine, on the side of your tire, can you find a "C1..." stamped anywhere in a fairly crude fashion?
 

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after seeing this thread my first thought was related to the avatar LOL :)

but, Since we are quite interested in the performance driving enthusiasts get from their tires, thanks for making us aware of the Michelin Pilot Sport tire that experienced a partial tread separation in the UK.

This is the first we have heard about any tire damage of this type on a Viper. We know that Michelin monitors Viper Day events in the U.S. and we get some feedback from participants in the open road races (like the Silver State Challenge) in Nevada.

While the pictures alone can¹t provide enough information to fully analyze the cause, I can offer some observations.

If the cause of the separation was due to defects in materials or workmanship during the manufacturing process, it would have shown up very early in the tire¹s life (especially at the speeds it sounds like you can run in the UK). Since the tire appears to have some miles on it, I believe that at some point in its life, the tire encountered something that caused the bond between the tread and the spirally wound nylon belt reinforcement to be weakened. It could have occurred climbing over corner curbing at a racetrack, flatspotting the tire by momentarily locking the brakes, drifting wide off the edge of the track into a depression, or even running over an unavoidable pothole or road hazard on the ride home.

Since a Viper's tires roll about 800 times every mile, I believe that the area of the damage eventually weakened over time to the point where it could no longer hold onto the tread at the high speeds you were traveling. Because of your vehicle¹s negative camber, its not unusual that it occurred on the inside half of the tire.

The fact that it held together for your trip home "at + 140 mph" is a testament to the tire¹s quality. At 140 miles per hour, your tires are making about 31 revolutions per second.

And while you "didn't think good quality tires were supposed to shed bits of tread like that", a lesser quality tire under the same circumstances might have tried to take your Viper's fender off, or failed completely taking you and your Viper with it!

We have referred your posting to our Michelin contacts in the U.S. so they can arrange to have a UK representative contact you and/or make arrangements to take a look at your tire.

I am really glad you stopped when "something didn't feel 'right'." Thoroughly checking the wheels, tires and suspension components anytime things don't feel 'right' is an important lesson for everyone to remember.

Luke Pavlick
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The fact that it held together for your trip home "at + 140 mph" is a testament to the tire¹s quality. At 140 miles per hour, your tires are making about 31 revolutions per second.

that is exactly what went through my head...
 
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Thank you Luke, I read with interest your reply. I quite agree the fact that it held together at + 140 mph is a testament to the tire's quality; and I am lucky. Thanks for referring this matter on to your Michelin contacts in the U.S.

I had a reply following my letter to UK Michelin customer care, the tire is to be sent to them, and they will get back to me "with a full report within 28 days". (As I've been on a track with the tire I wasn't sure if they'd want to know)! Thanks to all for advice / replies, I'm anxious to the outcome / findings; I'll keep you informed here.
 

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My two cents......I agree with Luke. The fact that the tire held together is good news for the over all tire quality. That's the first thing I thought of when everyone was saying how lucky she was that it didn't blow.
 
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Had a letter back from Mitchelin UK customer care, despite including my name as "Miss" on the letter it was addressed to "Dear Sir"! Anyway to update those that are interested:

"Re: 335/35 ZR 17 106Y PILOT SPORT TL
Reason for return: Tread seperation
Naturally we are concerned to hear of your dissatisfaction with the above product.
Our tyre examination specialists have completed their investigation and find that the tread rubber is torn in one area, due to contact with some fixed sharp or abrasive object.
Unfortunately the tyre is unsuitable for further service and as the damage is of purely accidental nature we are unable to pass an allowance in this case.
Should you wish the tyre to be returned please let us know within 28 days of this letter, otherwise we will arrange for the disposal of your goods in an environmentally friendly manner as part of our service.
If you have and questions in connection with this, or indeed any other tyre matter, please contact the office using our freephone number."

At least they replyed! The recommended tire dealer charged me $15 to remove the tire from the wheel I handed them, so I lost a tire and $15, lucky my Beloved is unscathed from it all, that's what matter most to me.
 

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Speaking of tires, I have some tires that have been on a trailer sitting in my front yard waiting for some construction to be finished so I could stick it in the side of the house and then move the Hoosier tires and rims into the garage (currently no room yet.)

Anyway, the temperature here in San Diego where I live has been nearly 100 degrees each day and the tires have been sitting in this type of weather for about a month straight. These are used Hoosier tires. Will that cause any damage to the tires? I ask because I was going to use them next week at Button Willow, but I have some new Hoosiers on the way that I was also going to bring in case I want to race Willow Springs the next day.

Thanks,

Manny
 

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The Structural steel belted inner tire held together perfectly.That's exactly how its designed and react in adverse situations.The outer layer could have been cut,pinched and torn by a road condition or manufacturer defect.That's a true example of a AAA Quality tire.
I should sell for those guys!
Nothing like fresh rubber on a viper!
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