Well, based on this thread the Zone directors don't know as much history as they thought they did.
VCA back to the same old routine
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Well, based on this thread the Zone directors don't know as much history as they thought they did.
You say anger and hate. I say facts. It's been awhile since facts were allowed to be freely posted on this site so I can understand how people might not recognize them.
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MoparBoyy
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Mr. ViperJohn,
Since you have me at a disadvantage, I have to resort to having someone else post this for me. I am on vacation so I'll make this as short as I can.
Sir, you seem to have your "facts" a little off kilter. Let me enlighten you on a few things. First of all after the letter from Chrysler came out, Jim Johnson asked for a ***'s conference call consisting of myself, Maurice, and the ZD and DAL's. A discussion about the letter and to take a poll on suspending Lee. Lee and Dan were not invited to the conference call. I and the others were given the access code for the conference call Jim initiated.
A half an hour before Jim's conference call was to take place I was asked to call in on another conference call requested by Lee. Lee informed me and the other ***'s that he had (on his own accord) decided to suspend Jim. I told Lee that was not a good idea, citing that his judgement was as bad as Nixon firing Archibald Cox the special prosecutor during the Watergate investigation.
Before I got off the conference call with Lee, I gave Lee and Dan the access code to get on Jim's conference call. I did this out of FAIRNESS to Lee and Dan. This was Lee and Dan's chance to answer any questions and to defend themselves if need be. BUT I made it perfectly clear that if they dialed in on the call, that they announced themselves, Yes I gave them the access code to Jim's conference call. So Lee and Dan dialed in on Jim's conference call with the ZD and DALs and you know the rest. Lee showed himself on that call, everyone heard the way he sounded and that is all I will say about that. One of the people on that call recorded it, I think someone posted the link on Viper Alley. So any of you can hear the whole conference call.
Not more than 5 minutes after that conference call, Lee calls me screaming and yelling... "WHY DIDN'T YOU AND DAN STICK UP FOR ME!" "WERE YOU EVEN ON THE CALL?" On and on and on.....
The next conference call was with the ***'s again. They wanted to vote on whether to suspend Lee. Lee and Dan were not invited to that call either. They asked me not to give Lee or Dan the access code because they did not want another yelling match and rant from Lee. They had enough votes to remove him whether he and Dan were there or not.
The vote was taken. And Lee was suspended. It was that evening or the next morning that I informed Lee of the vote via email. Lee called me at my work and pleaded with me to please let him resign. He was afraid of how it would affect his business. I told him that it wasn't my decision to make. That was something the ***'s had to make.
Oh, before I forget. There were motions at both conference calls (not Lee's) to override the 20 day notice. This was not unusual, as it had been done in past administrations.
Counsel later informed us that even though we had gone strictly by the VCA bylaws (and did a good job of it), because we did not invite Lee to the "party" the second time for the vote.... it was invalid. We could have had another vote the next day, motion to override the 20 day notice, invited Lee and removed him. But instead we did not want his business to suffer, so we offered to let him resign. He agreed to resign in good faith per his email to the members, and we all know the rest of the story.
NO, I did not formally resign, EVER. I did threaten to resign on numerous occasions because the questions I was asking were not being answered. Each time I threatened, Lee begged, and I mean begged me to stay. PERIOD. After the secret meetings, and then the letter from Chrysler, I was done. At no point was I going to take the Presidency of the VCA if Lee was removed. I stated this on many occasions following the letter, this was voiced verbally and in written form. So that accusation that I wanted to "seize power" is a blatant lie. A lie to protect VPA.
And as for your comment on my leadership skills and what I and my Ohio members have done for this club. Please give anyone in the Ohio Region, or any other VCA region a call for that matter. I have lived VCA for the last 12 years of my life. So I take offense to your statement. Just in the last two VOI's, as charity chairman and my Ohio region members have raised over $125,000 for the VCA and it's charities.
I would suggest before you start making anymore comments about me, you call me and ask your questions. My phone # and email address are all over this website.
It's all hands on deck at the VCA, the lifeboats are being lowered, abandon ship.
Give me a call and I'll tell you all about the new VOA.
Regards,
Randall Arnold
[email protected]
937-470-8306
Since you have me at a disadvantage, I have to resort to having someone else post this for me. I am on vacation so I'll make this as short as I can.
Sir, you seem to have your "facts" a little off kilter. Let me enlighten you on a few things. First of all after the letter from Chrysler came out, Jim Johnson asked for a ***'s conference call consisting of myself, Maurice, and the ZD and DAL's. A discussion about the letter and to take a poll on suspending Lee. Lee and Dan were not invited to the conference call. I and the others were given the access code for the conference call Jim initiated.
A half an hour before Jim's conference call was to take place I was asked to call in on another conference call requested by Lee. Lee informed me and the other ***'s that he had (on his own accord) decided to suspend Jim. I told Lee that was not a good idea, citing that his judgement was as bad as Nixon firing Archibald Cox the special prosecutor during the Watergate investigation.
Before I got off the conference call with Lee, I gave Lee and Dan the access code to get on Jim's conference call. I did this out of FAIRNESS to Lee and Dan. This was Lee and Dan's chance to answer any questions and to defend themselves if need be. BUT I made it perfectly clear that if they dialed in on the call, that they announced themselves, Yes I gave them the access code to Jim's conference call. So Lee and Dan dialed in on Jim's conference call with the ZD and DALs and you know the rest. Lee showed himself on that call, everyone heard the way he sounded and that is all I will say about that. One of the people on that call recorded it, I think someone posted the link on Viper Alley. So any of you can hear the whole conference call.
Not more than 5 minutes after that conference call, Lee calls me screaming and yelling... "WHY DIDN'T YOU AND DAN STICK UP FOR ME!" "WERE YOU EVEN ON THE CALL?" On and on and on.....
The next conference call was with the ***'s again. They wanted to vote on whether to suspend Lee. Lee and Dan were not invited to that call either. They asked me not to give Lee or Dan the access code because they did not want another yelling match and rant from Lee. They had enough votes to remove him whether he and Dan were there or not.
The vote was taken. And Lee was suspended. It was that evening or the next morning that I informed Lee of the vote via email. Lee called me at my work and pleaded with me to please let him resign. He was afraid of how it would affect his business. I told him that it wasn't my decision to make. That was something the ***'s had to make.
Oh, before I forget. There were motions at both conference calls (not Lee's) to override the 20 day notice. This was not unusual, as it had been done in past administrations.
Counsel later informed us that even though we had gone strictly by the VCA bylaws (and did a good job of it), because we did not invite Lee to the "party" the second time for the vote.... it was invalid. We could have had another vote the next day, motion to override the 20 day notice, invited Lee and removed him. But instead we did not want his business to suffer, so we offered to let him resign. He agreed to resign in good faith per his email to the members, and we all know the rest of the story.
NO, I did not formally resign, EVER. I did threaten to resign on numerous occasions because the questions I was asking were not being answered. Each time I threatened, Lee begged, and I mean begged me to stay. PERIOD. After the secret meetings, and then the letter from Chrysler, I was done. At no point was I going to take the Presidency of the VCA if Lee was removed. I stated this on many occasions following the letter, this was voiced verbally and in written form. So that accusation that I wanted to "seize power" is a blatant lie. A lie to protect VPA.
And as for your comment on my leadership skills and what I and my Ohio members have done for this club. Please give anyone in the Ohio Region, or any other VCA region a call for that matter. I have lived VCA for the last 12 years of my life. So I take offense to your statement. Just in the last two VOI's, as charity chairman and my Ohio region members have raised over $125,000 for the VCA and it's charities.
I would suggest before you start making anymore comments about me, you call me and ask your questions. My phone # and email address are all over this website.
It's all hands on deck at the VCA, the lifeboats are being lowered, abandon ship.
Give me a call and I'll tell you all about the new VOA.
Regards,
Randall Arnold
[email protected]
937-470-8306
Gustfront
Viper Owner
Tsk, Tsk. You are using those fancy Latin words in the wrong context. But that is not what I'm posting to remind you about so save your rebuttal for the real issue here.
The Chrysler letter. You cannot make it go away. It is a fact. The issue's of concern are not considered satisfied until Chris and Mary Marshall are no longer involved in business that involves the Viper Club of America. Viper Parts of America is owned by the VCA, thus, it involves the VCA.
Wade
09 ACR Viper owner
What Randall said....
I would also agree with what many others have posted... The VCA has no hope... none, nada, zilch unless the Marshalls are fired immediately, and 100% without any golden parachute.... They are a huge reason for the mess the VCA finds themselves in and they must go.
Bobpantex... you are funny! Well the posts I read anyways... then I just scrolled past your posts after it was clear you are the Baghdad Bob of the VCA forum. Any more biased and you would be Chris Marshall himself... oh wait!!!! lol
For those who want no discussion of this mess, you would make great Obama supporters... Corruption thrives when people don't care what the leaders are doing...
I would also agree with what many others have posted... The VCA has no hope... none, nada, zilch unless the Marshalls are fired immediately, and 100% without any golden parachute.... They are a huge reason for the mess the VCA finds themselves in and they must go.
Bobpantex... you are funny! Well the posts I read anyways... then I just scrolled past your posts after it was clear you are the Baghdad Bob of the VCA forum. Any more biased and you would be Chris Marshall himself... oh wait!!!! lol
For those who want no discussion of this mess, you would make great Obama supporters... Corruption thrives when people don't care what the leaders are doing...
Bugman Jeff
Enthusiast
We are all waiting on hard data, and it has not been forthcoming. Allegations of financial improprieties is one of the biggest grievances many members have against the club. Showing the financials to members could have avoided much of this mess, and eliminated all speculation as to whether the club is getting a good deal or not. I, as a non-member, am not entitled to that information, but paying members have every right to know where their money is going. Why won't the club let it's members have this information?
I suggest that you read the Chrysler letter more carefully. It raises a conflict of interest issue not a financial impropriety issue. Chrysler was objecting to members of the Marshall family being involved in both the VCA and VPA. The entity that Mary works for which has the contract to provide operational services to the VCA is now on a month to month basis, per prior Board posts, while an independent third party is located to replace her.
Also, keep in mind that Chrysler was aware of the status of the Marshalls long before the letter was issued since it, through SRT's activities, had good communication regarding the VCA and Chrysler was in favor of the establishment of VPA as shown by the fact that it provided all of the historical molds, jigs, etc. to VPA and granted VPA a MOPAR dealership.
There are many people posting here who seem to have difficulty with the concept of dealing with the facts in a precise and reasonable manner, or, in some case, even admitting that any facts are needed at all.
I hope that they are never accused of anything wrong by people in power who have the same loose view of evidence.
But, with that said, if the facts ulimately prove that any impropriety, if any, was committed, appropriate remedial action should be taken.
Also, keep in mind that Chrysler was aware of the status of the Marshalls long before the letter was issued since it, through SRT's activities, had good communication regarding the VCA and Chrysler was in favor of the establishment of VPA as shown by the fact that it provided all of the historical molds, jigs, etc. to VPA and granted VPA a MOPAR dealership.
There are many people posting here who seem to have difficulty with the concept of dealing with the facts in a precise and reasonable manner, or, in some case, even admitting that any facts are needed at all.
I hope that they are never accused of anything wrong by people in power who have the same loose view of evidence.
But, with that said, if the facts ulimately prove that any impropriety, if any, was committed, appropriate remedial action should be taken.
ROCKET62
Has Left the Room!
I think the two most unanswered questions are:
1) Status of Raffle. Good, bad, or otherwise - this has serious financial implications for the club.
2) Timing of elections for Bylaw changes and Board members. Timing is interesting .... As you need to be a paying member to vote, if you wait until next year, will people willing to join a club not knowing what the club or regions will look like or who will be running the club.
1) Status of Raffle. Good, bad, or otherwise - this has serious financial implications for the club.
2) Timing of elections for Bylaw changes and Board members. Timing is interesting .... As you need to be a paying member to vote, if you wait until next year, will people willing to join a club not knowing what the club or regions will look like or who will be running the club.
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