VCA Edition Ram SRT-10 on ebay

[Steve Ferguson]

The ONLY problem is that if a coupe does become real, and members want a certificate program, this exact issue will get thrown back at us as to why Dodge will NOT do it again. Ther is no right or wrong, but I have been in 2 of the 3 negotiations for those programs and don't tink this only makes it harder to get what we all want.

 

[GR8_ASP]

Steve my thoughts exactly. But I have been beaten to a pulp by the America is free stuff. It is free. Dodge dealers can make the profits instead of the owners by not allowing these programs. They allow it only because Dodge wants to build and maintain owner loyalty. Not so that some owners can make a buck. I mean who do you think Dodge would prefer to make a profit? Their Dodge dealers or you? So keep giving them reasons to resist such programs in the future and you will get your wish.

Remember, Dodge is FREE to not give any future programs like this, and is much more inclined to do that very thing given the profiteering that some individuals do and condone.

 

[BadVenm]

Gentlemen,

Think, Think, Think!!!!!

Look what the Dodge dealers did to us when the first Vipers came out. I saw them go for SIX Figures.

Look what Dodge dealers did to us when the first GTS' came out. I saw them sell in the $90K range.

Look what the Dodge dealers did to us when the SRT-10 came out. Anyone without a coupon was paying in the $90's.

Proracer1 is golden. He has a great cause. But even if he didn't have a cause, why fault a guy for making a buck. Be it within the club or outside the club? The club member/buyer has do decide if he wants to pay the price.

I don't see guys on here bashing the Dodge dealers for putting it in us and breaking it off every time a new or better Viper hits the market. Everyone wants to brag about being the first guy to have one, but not about how he paid over sticker to get it. I know at least two guys who had a coupon SRT and rolled the car before they ever drove it. Big damn deal, it didn't hurt me, nor the Viper community.

This is all about America and apple pie. Everyone looks to make a profit when they can. How many here besides me buys IPO's? Whoa.....Buying something today to sell in 4 hours, 24 hours or even a few days to make a huge profit????? Kinda sounds simuliar to someone speculating on a hot car or truck to make a profit. I see no damn differance.

Don't bash a guy for trying to make a profit and feed his family. Even though this time he's trying to help a friend save a family members life.

Dodge is doing us no favors with coupon programs. They still broke it off in plenty of SRT-10 buyers that didn't have a coupon.

I would venture a guess that the Red SRT-10 Trucks are being sold at sticker or more at dealers right now. Is anyone on the board bashing them for that?

Dodge isn't losing any sleep over one or two guys making money on a VCA Truck! I'll put money on that!!

 

[GR8_ASP]

Gentlemen,

Think, Think, Think!!!!!

Look what the Dodge dealers did to us when the first Vipers came out. I saw them go for SIX Figures.

Look what Dodge dealers did to us when the first GTS' came out. I saw them sell in the $90K range.

Look what the Dodge dealers did to us when the SRT-10 came out. Anyone without a coupon was paying in the $90's.

That is exactly what you will see the next time when a coupon deal is not available. Not available because of the few greedy people. And it is NOT Dodge that would prevent a coupon deal. It is the dealers association that has evidence of fraud (Ebay sales, vehicles registration records, etc.) regarding the previous coupon deals and can use that to prevent another one in the future. You are right. It is not illegal. Maybe not even immoral. But it can and probably will result in the loss of future programs like this.

 

[Supercharged Vipermad]

There could be a simple fix. Next time this comes up they can check the registration details of the previously "raffled" vehicle(s). Any VCA Member who won one, and they are not the registered owner, they are not allowed to participate any longer. Wouldn't take much, and it might not be that much of an incentive (or un-incentive) for them not to sell.

People can say ther is nothng wrong with it....they have their opinion. BUT.....if they KNEW 100% that THEIR name was the next one in line to WIN...only to be left with nothing so someone could make a buck?? They'd be the first one complaining that they didn't get their fair chance.

Please note that what I have written concerns the issue as a matter of principle, and is not direected at any one person.

 

[ALsRT10]

What ever happened to Freedom to expand, and express yourself both in personnel and business endeavors? After all is this not the “American way”? If a member won the jackpot in a Casino, would he want restrictions placed on his winnings? Would it be conscionable to require him to bank his winnings for two years before he could spend it?

Think about this…If Dodge was restricted in their freedom to create, and think outside the box, we probably would not have seen the Viper today!

 

[BadVenm]

If the coupon system is so important, which I would take a wild guess to say less than 20% (maybe even 10%) of the current Viper owners in the world have ever bought a Viper or a SRT Truck via a coupon program, then why not make it like winning a radio station contest? Once you've won, you can't win for a certain period of time. Say one, two or three years?

Why didn't anyone bash the few who sold Comp Coupes for a profit? They were supposed to go only to people who would be racing them. I've seen at least three for sale to the general public at a profit over what they paid for them, about a $40K to $50K profit. There is probably more I haven't ran across.

I agree with Vipermad about the NEXT guy on the list not getting one and being first to complain. I kinda suspected the bashing of this guy came from someone who really wanted one, was in the drawing and didn't get one.

If it were me, I might have given Viper owners first shot by listing it here on the Club website first, told my story and if it didn't sell, then go to eBay.

Rather than a coupon system, wouldn't we be better off putting the Viper Club power to work on DC, the Dealers Association, Dealers, or whoever to have an owner loyalty program where any current Viper Owner gets a set price on any Viper or Viper "type" (SRT-10 Truck) vehicle???? This way EVERY Viper owner, original purchaser or not, would have the same opportunity to own for the same cost. Is that too far out there?

 

[Supercharged Vipermad]

Not to hijack or tke anything away from the discussion....

To me (personally) it is all about the the intentions and the "Spirit of the event". If Dodge had wanted to make 'em for everyone, and make them available...they would have (and could have), but they didn't. The only way to honor their efforts is to stick to the spirit of the "competition". Not to digress....but the same held true during a recent drag event. The spirit of the competition was called into question (or, rather, the actions of someone). Some argured no rule was broken, some argued there was. The end result, I think, is that most agree it wasn't wrong, AND it wasn't right....it was just not what the planner had intended. What happens next? Well, as a result, the planner (in our case, DODGE) will re-examine how they do things with regard to the VCA, and they will likely put into place some type of safeguards to attempt to prevent it from happening (much like the planner of the Drag Event will likely re-word things to make it clearer).

Which is why I wouldn't be surprised if something like what I hypothesized above happens. Maybe on a case-by-case basis, to review the issues surrounding the sale of said vehicle.

I will not call into question the issues surrounding this particular truck....but it is sad (and possibly telling) that it went to Ebay first...instead of the VCA community. That would be a huge issue if this VCA member was reviewed for possible disqualification from any other raffles.

BadVenm....I can't comment on the Comp Coupes...but I would apply the same logic to them as well. I am not sure...but I THINK most of the CC that went up for sale were late in the game....but please don't hold me to it, and if I recall correctly, the only things stopping ANYONE from having one of them there CC was that they needed to have some race license or something. There weren't just 50 of them made for a select group of lucky people. I am not sure if I see a difference between the CC and the truck...I'll have to think on it and do some research. In principle, I agree....it is the facts surrounding it all that I need to have a better understanding of.

Obviously there are two sides two the discussion (at least). I do feel that there is NOTHING wrong with turning a buck or 20K.....while I also think this is wrong (talking about the issue....NOT this particular truck as there seem to be extenuating circumstances).

And I'll be DEAD HONEST.....I am part jealous 'cause I want one!!

 

[GR8_ASP]

Some of you must be new to the Viper scene. In 1995/6 a coupon offer (the first) was made to original new vehicle purchase owners, who still had their Viper, to purchase a 1996 GTS coupe. In 2002 a similar coupon offer was made for the Viper SRT. There was really no winning and losing as everyone would applied for a coupon in a reasonable time received a coupon. The benefit of these was to allow the buyer the upper hand in purchasing the car from a dealer. With a coupon you could avoid the new car "tax" that dealers often demand. This coupon deal for the Ram SRT was quite different and was more of a lottery, with only 49 available. So yes, this coupon offer probably does have many who missed out on the opportunity upset with those that "won" and chose to sell for profit. I am not one of them as I had/have no interest in a truck. I am (or at least was)more concerned with keeping the coupon potential alive for future new Vipers.

As far as the 20% or 10% taking the coupons that may be true. But I bet it is higher. If you consider over 1000 owners used the coupon offer for the SRT that must be a pretty high percentage (noting the requirement of original purchase and continuing retention of the Viper past some deadline). In 1996 I expect the percentage was even higher as the complete model year was sold to coupon holders with only 3 full and 2 part model years of previous purchases.

So those are the losers if a coupon deal for the next Viper does not come to fruition. They will either pay a premium or delay their purchase.

I have had enough of this now and am now inclined to vote that the VCA should no longer try for a coupon deal. That way everyone will be on the same playing field and no one gets an advantage (or profit opportunity). So that is the American way: use, abuse, lose. Their is no constitutional right to a coupon. Dodge has no obligation, and in fact is the only OEM to actively use this method of owner appreciation.

 

[BadVenm]

Vmad,

I was in the middle of editing my post while you were posting the above. You said one thing I was adding to my post. It should have came to the Viper Community first. I would have done it that way.

"Spirit of the event".

The Spirit of the event means a lot.

I re-read some of the early posts in this thread. I, as I often do, opened my mouth (keyboard) not knowing all I should. I didn't realize VCA and DC asked these trucks not to be rolled (resold) after delivery.

With that, it's almost impossible to keep someone out that never intended to keep the truck. I would go back to my statement in my prior post. Once someone wins, maybe they are excluded from coupons, contests, etc.. for the next 12 months, 24 months.... I don't know, it is a tuff one to figure out and keep the masses happy. Lord knows we can't ever keep everyone happy.

I still support Proracer1 for what he's doing to help a friends family.

I also don't see harm in a guy getting the opportunity to make a buck. A guy who rolls a hot car might just be the same guy that a dealer stuck for $10K over sticker on his Viper, PT Cruiser, Prowler or other vehicle. It never hurts to see the little guy win one for once.

I would still ask did the Comp Coupe re-sellers broke their agreement by reselling, as they were meant to be sold to racers that planned on racing them.

And what I edited my above post to include, can the power of the Viper Community and Club put together some kind of Viper loyalty program so current owners get a fixed discount or pricing structure so a coupon program may not be necessary?

 

[Supercharged Vipermad]

And what I edited my above post to include, can the power of the Viper Community and Club put together some kind of Viper loyalty program so current owners get a fixed discount or pricing structure so a coupon program may not be necessary?

And we find ourselves right back at the root of the issue/problem. Why would DODGE offer some kind of "Owner Loyalty" when there are people who will abuse that so-called loyalty and roll their good deal to turn a buck? Ron is saying the same thing. DODGE just made 50 GREAT, one-of-a-kind (OK...50-of-a-kind) trucks JUST for VCA Members/Viper owners....THE "Owner Loyalty" deal unmatched by ANY manufacturer. What incentive do they have to off you, me, Ron....ANYONE a fixed discount? They could have easily made the 50 trucks, turned them loose to the dealers and let the games begin!

And that is where the spirit of the program has been compromised, and could potentially ruin it in the future.

On a very personal note...I did NOT participate in this drawing at all! Why? Because I knew that, at this point in my life, there was NO WAY I could meet the terms of the program (not without getting very creative at finding some money). So, I made sure there was one less name in the box to make the odds better for everyone else. To me, personally, THAT was my way of honoring the spirit of the program. Could I have taken my chances and then sold it? Sure. I could have done any number of things.....but I looked at it objectively and opted out.

You know, the more I think about the idea of disqualifying people for future raffles/programs, the more I like it....and it could be in the hands of the VCA...NOT Dodge. See....DODGE makes the car.truck for the VCA. To enter, one must be current/active/whatever.....in the VCA. It wouldn't be hard at all to track the VIN's, then go through an arbitration process within the club, and disqualify any "offenders". Part of me thinks that if DODGE saw us actively protecting our relationship with them....we might be OK.

Again, I'll agree with the fact that turning a buck is the American way....but NOT always (ask Martha Stewart!! LOL!!!).

 

[proracer1]

Just so EVERYONE KNOWS. I tried to place an ad on the VCA classifieds and even tried to post that the truck was going to be for sale on the forum. They deleted my post and REJECTED my ad. I got a e-mail from the VCA telling me they would not be able to approve my ad for the truck. SO E- Bay it went. It probably isn't going to sell any way. I have NEVER been so emabarrassed and humiliated in my life. I am even thinking about SELLING my Viper and The truck.And leaving the Viper community. This is total High School crap. Here I am trying to do the right thing and help a friend out and all MOST of you are worried about is the next FU#*IN coupon. I sincerely hope those of you that are so selfish and self servimg, NEVER have to be faced with this type of tragedy in your lives.

 

[BadVenm]

If there was a flat, across the board "Current Owner Loyalty Discount" for Viper owners, not original Viper purchasers (as with the current system), then every Viper owner would have the same opportunity to buy the same product at the same price. That is a heck of an incentive for being a Viper owner.

That would eliminate a resale concern in this community all together. Why would any Viper owner pay anyone a profit for their Viper, SRT-10 truck, 06 Street Comp Coupe (let's hope for one), when they can go buy it brand new for the exact same price? Sounds pretty simple

That would leave the outside world to fin for themselves. Who would we rather help, our own Viper community, or the general public?

As far as a CONTEST Vehicle, the main reason for this thread....Face it, there is no way to stop some version of the same thing from happening again.

We may eliminate 10 guys this time because they sell. But the next 10 new guys that get in might do it too. And so on and so on and so on.

If someone wants to skirt the rules they will. Who's to say they won't sell it for a huge profit, but they leave it titled to the winner for how ever long the contest says it needs to be? There is always a way around it.

I guess I would still say, once you win a VCA Contest, you should be out for a year. That way if you sell it or keep it, you've served a one year.

Should we be pizzed at a dealer if he is a VCA member and he entered and won a VCA truck and it's now sitting on his showroom floor for $70K?

It's sad we feel it's okay for Dodge dealers to brake it off in us, but we get down on a fellow member for doing the same.

The across the board Viper Loyalty Discount program would keep the dealers from getting a Viper tax out of a Viper owner.

I didn't enter this truck contest either. I love the truck but I'm putting my eggs in another basket. One which will be a huge test of me.

I have a deposit and contract on a Ford GT, one at a fixed price. I also have two other dealers calling me to sell me one as well. The market already looks like people will be paying huge dollars more than I will be paying. I have no intention of selling this car. What will I do when it's sitting in my garage and I see everyone paying double??? Will greed take over? Will that **** eating grin on my face of being an owner be all I need to make me happy? It's a real shame there isn't a Street Coupe indentical to the Comp Coupe, I would take it over the Ford GT. DC you hearing this?

Has there been any winners of the VCA raffle cars sell their cars? What kind of treatment did they get if they did? Did the VCA have any type of win and hold rule in the one of a kind raffels? Are they out for any future raffles?

Not an easy topic. Two sides and one could take either one with passion.

I still support Proracer1.

 

[Supercharged Vipermad]

Earlier you wrote:
I have taken enough heat on this subject and I would really appreciate some support in my decision to help these people.

I have not seen ONE person say they have a problem with supporting you. What is being discussed is the possible ramifications of the issue. I even tried very hard to stay neutral when referring to you and your situation...but the HEART of the issue remains the same and is being discussed. If you stand by you decision and your convictions...then why come on here and say you are humiliated...and thinking of bailing out as soon as the water got a little hot? Personally, I am not talking about YOU, so I don't care what you think about what I write. Though I could go on...I won't. Why not keep the truck and "raffle" (or Ebay) your Viper to raise money for them? Lets not even go there. While your intentions are VERY honorable and will likely assure you a pass through the Pearly Gates.....that was not the intention of the program. Anyone who has tried to help people are truly selfless......I chipped in $100 when Adam was looking for help, and didn't have to raffle off my car.

Let us just keep the two issues apart, OK? The issue with YOUR truck and YOUR situation is, well, what it is. But you can see that Ryck and I were exchanging notes that only skirted your issues. I'm sorry if you have problems with people who think you are wrong, but that is life. Some would say WHAT you are doing is wrong....but WHY you are doing it makes it right. I don't know....but the WHY sure seems right to me.

So why can't we discuss the WHAT without you getting all upset? You were going to BUY a RAM SRT-10 anyways.....right? Did you plan to raffle/Ebay THAT one off to raise money, or was it the thought of having 1 of only 50 special trucks that made the $$$$ scream? You said yourself:

I went to my dealer 5 months ago to order a truck. When I found out I had won the opportunity to PURCHASE a VCA truck I was in heaven.

You have turned a raffle truck/deal into another raffle...all for a VERY GOOD cause....but still wrong. Of course, that is my opinion......and all this time I was trying very hard to stay focused on the core issue. Are your circumstances a little out of line with what some expect (meaning that you actually have some motive other than making $$$)? I believe MANY have said YES.

So, while I applaud you for your efforts to do good in this world where we see so much bad.....how about you tell us what you think about the core issue? We already know, obviously, that you don't think there is a problem with selling the truck for profit....as long as the profit $$$$ are for a good cause. What about just outright profiteering? What about the "Spirit" of the program....what do you think about that?

 

[Supercharged Vipermad]

Darn...just lost a whole bunch of text!

Anyway....I had written that I do support Jeff in principle, but the application is questionable (to me).

Ryck...what would you do if your dealer decided to bail on you 'cause he could make a ton more $$$$ selling the GT in the open? Some would say that is what America is all about....wouldn't help you any though! Others might say that what America should be about a llittle more than it is, is the fact that a person is as good as their word....which is likely how you would feel right after the dealer sold that GT out from under you. All the same, I can only say.....you lucky SOB!!

I don't, however, think you can compare the fact that you squareed away a deal with your dealer....and the fact that the only reason one of these trucks could be sold is due to the good grace of DODGE allowing us the opportunity. Now....if they had been sent to 50 dealers, that would be different (and I agree with you about some dealers breaking it off.....).

I'm rambling....

Just to summarize, I think it is wrong. I think Jeff's reason is right. I think that DODGE did not envsion giving Viper Owners/VCA Members the opportunity to profiteer. I think if it gets too much they will stop giving us these opportunities (wouldn't you?). I think I'd just like to discuss the core issue....Jeff has enough to handle and how can one pass judgement when they are not in his shoes. Lastly...I think if I HAD bought tickets I would be pissed.

 

[Supercharged Vipermad]

Has there been any winners of the VCA raffle cars sell their cars?

Where is Wayne??? I only know of one, and it was more on the level of VCA member to VCA member if I recall correctly...though I never heard any numbers ($$$$), I got the impression it was merely someone who won, couldn't (or didn't want to) afford two Vipers. In the end, though, I would think he got a good deal since a large portion of the $$$$ would have paid for taxes??? I am WAY out of my league on this one (moreso than this thread!!!). LOL!!

 

[Supercharged Vipermad]

Just so EVERYONE KNOWS. I tried to place an ad on the VCA classifieds and even tried to post that the truck was going to be for sale on the forum. They deleted my post and REJECTED my ad. I got a e-mail from the VCA telling me they would not be able to approve my ad for the truck. SO E- Bay it went.

I saw what you wrote...it said NOTHING about wanting the truck, then deciding to sell it and raise money for a close friend who is sick. Heck...all Adam had to do was stir the *** and he came up with over $3000. Did you explain WHY you were listing the truck? Did oyu actually expect the VCA to condone/promote the fact that you won the right to buy the special truck and were immediately listing it (with the APPEARANCE of profiteering)? Instead of this:

This is one of the 49 limited edition trucks done by Dodge. Blue with white
stripes. On its way back from Daytona. Absolutely a gorgeous vehicle. Be one of the lucky 50

Maybe you could have written something like:

Limited Edition SRT-10 RAM. I bought this as a result of the Viper Club special....now I have a close friend I am trying to raise money for......

I don't know. But to expect the club who arranged all of this with DODGE to accept, and help, you sell the special truck right after you won the right to buy it???? Too much. I think you did what most people would have done....you saw an opportunity to raise some $$$ and help a friend in crisis....so you did. More people should have friends like you!! The execution of the whoe thing could have been better, IMHO.

 

[BadVenm]

Ryck...what would you do if your dealer decided to bail on you 'cause he could make a ton more $$$$ selling the GT in the open? Some would say that is what America is all about....wouldn't help you any though! Others might say that what America should be about a llittle more than it is, is the fact that a person is as good as their word....which is likely how you would feel right after the dealer sold that GT out from under you. All the same, I can only say.....you lucky SOB!!

SSSHHHHH.......... Tony don't say that too loud. I'm already worried about that, but I would hope they stand up to the contract. If they don't I just have to **** it up and move on, P.O.'d but move on. I just hope you get the chance to call me a lucky SOB.

You are right, my deal compared to Dodge's Goodwill deal is apples and oranges. I just used it thinking IF I get the car, it would be like winning a raffle truck.....Would I keep it, or would greed take over?

Without a doubt, some great thoughts and points have come out on this topic of raffles and contests in this thread, and the VCA will need to look at them and consider them when moving forward.

But I'm pretty sure the best thoughts were in my posts!

Proracer1, don't lose hope, you'll find a way to help your friends family member!

 

[Supercharged Vipermad]

Sorry, I was just hit by a question.

Exactly WHAT is the reserve on this truck that was meant to be kept...but now for sale in order to help a friend in need? High bid is at almost $68K......isn't that about $13K profit so far (I honestly don't know)? And the reserve is still not met? I find that interesting, at best. One would think that ANY amount of $$$$ over that for the actual cost is better than the bills piling up, eh? Curious.

 

[viper585]

There are other members with the trucks that are selling them.I know of 2 dealers who are brokering a couple of trucks,and I had 3 emails from individuals about buying their trucks.I bid on the ebay truck,so people can email you.I still say what I said earlier,if I own something,I can sell it,and I dont have to give my reason.

P.S. The pricing I have been offered is far less than the 68k.

 

[Supercharged Vipermad]

I still say what I said earlier,if I own something,I can sell it,and I dont have to give my reason.

And I still ay what I said earlier....if you were to do that....don't be surprised if next time, you are DQ'd...and the time after that...and the time after that. Yes, you can do whatever you want......but there usually is a price.

 

[viper585]

I still say what I said earlier,if I own something,I can sell it,and I dont have to give my reason.

And I still ay what I said earlier....if you were to do that....don't be surprised if next time, you are DQ'd...and the time after that...and the time after that. Yes, you can do whatever you want......but there usually is a price.

And what is the price?Trust me,I have purchased 12 vipers new since '92,and I dont do raffles or drawings or whatever.It isnt important to me,and I really dont think its that important to most of the Viper world.Maybe Im wrong.I just cant believe the uproar over something like this.There has got to be better ways to expend energy.Atleast 6 out of 49 are actively trying to sell their vehicles.My guess is there are many more.OK,so lets say I won the OPPORTUNITY to give my 51k for the truck.And after I got it,I wasnt happy with the ride,handling,or a ford lightning blew me away.So I have to keep the vehicle?But I dont like it!!So I guess I should have known that before I entered the raffle.Come on.We need to get serious here.I have taken delivery of a vehicle new,hated it,and wanted nothing more than to make it go away.There are alot of reasons some individuals may want to sell.Profit,personal changes,or maybe the novelty wore off after the Daytona thing,and their not a truck person.We cant be the judge and jury on why.Its not our business.

 

[Blue Pilot]

I have a question...............is the 67 Shelby and/or BMW M-5 for sale also to help this person with the medical problem? Not trying to stir the ***, but just asking a question.
Reserve not met yet at $67,700????????????
Maybe its just me, but if I had someone in dire need of money for medical expenses, I don't think I would be this greedy. I tend to agree with Vipermad.

 

[viper585]

I have a question...............is the 67 Shelby and/or BMW M-5 for sale also to help this person with the medical problem? Not trying to stir the ***, but just asking a question.
Reserve not met yet at $67,700????????????
Maybe its just me, but if I had someone in dire need of money for medical expenses, I don't think I would be this greedy. I tend to agree with Vipermad.

Your trying to make this guy prove his reason for selling??He doesnt need one.He shouldnt have said it in the first place.Its not important.

 

[Blue Pilot]

585, I don't know proracer1 from Adam, but in this day and age anyone can say anything to make someone else feel bad for them, or to justify their reasoning. I am not saying he is lying or telling the truth, I have no frickin' idea.
But, at $67,700 for the reasons he gave, one does have to wonder, and I am just curious.

 

[viper585]

585, I don't know proracer1 from Adam, but in this day and age anyone can say anything to make someone else feel bad for them, or to justify their reasoning. I am not saying he is lying or telling the truth, I have no frickin' idea.
But, at $67,700 for the reasons he gave, one does have to wonder, and I am just curious.

Well,it does make you question if the reason is important.He should have said he was selling the vehicle because it is his,and he chooses to sell it.I didnt care about his reason when I bid on the truck,and I still dont,other than now the price is way too high,and they are available for 10k less than that.

 

[proracer1]

M-5 Is a company owned car(my company) The shelby IS for sale $95K. as is my Viper $125K The reserve is 67701.00 on my truck. I HAVE ALREADY SOLD My Harley, and another car. I of course am trying to raise as much $$$ as I can for this procedure is costing well over 100K and is not being covered by insurance. As far as my posting the ad and the reason. How many of you guys out there are willing to tell the world about your personal tragedies? It was NOT until I started getting grief over my decision and felt like I had to justify my reason for selling the truck did I disclose the issues here at hand. There are many people in the VCA that I have helped in the past concerning thier cars. People who know me will tell all of you that I am a stand up guy and would NEVER do anything to harm any one or any thing. The fact that by me putting this truck on E-bay has caused so much question about what will happen to future promotions from DC and the VCA has me humiliated. NOT the fact that I am doing it. Just the fact that I have caused such a stir. No negative intention ever was meant to be the outcome of this,Just trying to help a friend in need.

 

[Blue Pilot]

Proracer, thanks for your reply and explanation. If you are truly doing all this for a friend, you are an amazing individual, and I commend you for doing this. Not many people in this world would go to this far to help a friend, or even a family member
It was never my intention to humiliate or offend you, and if I did I apologize.

 

[viper585]

That man should not have to go through this crap.No way.Its not right.

 

[SnakeEye]

I have a question...is the 67 Shelby and/or BMW M-5 for sale also to help this person with the medical problem? Not trying to stir the ***, but just asking a question. Reserve not met yet at $67,700? Maybe its just me, but if I had someone in dire need of money for medical expenses, I don't think I would be this greedy. I tend to agree with Vipermad.

Dire need maybe but greedy and a scalper seems more likely; cheap money never spends well anyway. Proracer1 may have done himself a favor by not attempting to justify or rationalize his actions on the VCA -- sometimes silence really is golden.

Proracer1, I do hope the friend of your mother has a speedy recovery.

Cheers.

PS: To the current high bidder and potential buyer of this truck: A fool and his/her money most certainly will be parted, and usually sooner rather than later. You seem to be well on your way.