VENOM 650 SRT10 QUARTER MILE RUNS 10.76 ON FACTORY TIRE

[Torquemonster]

Come on Jerome - we all know that we are thick and stupid. We need people to tell us what to think and what to do and who to do it with and who not to.

Gosh I know I'm excited that someone else can make all those decisions for me.

The world is too political for free speech - you know that.

This is the age of "Big Brother knows best for us" and so we are all plonkers. I've always wanted to be someone, amount to something - now we can all be someone, we really can amount to something - we can all be plonkers!!

...and the big decisions can be made by those who are appointed to make them for us.

Secure in this knowledge I feel better already, don't you?

 

[Matt M PA]

I have never done any biz with the tuner referred to in this thread. But..his reputation is less than sterling and I find it amazing that anyone would find fault with what Jay had written. All I take from what Jay wrote was that he is trying to give a plug to someone that either supports this site or has a better reputation.

For what I am sure are good reasons....this board does not allow the person the thread is referring to, to sell his wares here.

Torquemonster...I know that your latest reply is "tongue-in-cheek", but this is not a freedom of speech issue. You are free in the USA to stand on a street corner and spout off about anything you wish. But, since this is a moderated site...you AGREE to the terms of this site when you post.

This site remains a quality site thanks to moderators that keep this from becoming an AOL chatroom of "this *****-that rules" mentality.

I know that I would rather be warned of a potential rip-off BEFORE I spend my money....than be a victim.

 

[cratica]

Another thing to add about this site.

Because of it's moderators, it remains a clean and fairly classy site. If you have noticed, some of the other sites where he is allowed to post are pretty ****** and I don't feel like wading through all the trash to get to any decent information. If you would have read some of the exchanges between the person not to be mentioned and those he ripped off, you would be amazed at the language and the level of immaturity that was displayed.

This site attempts to keep that junk and those people who like to bring everyone else down to their level away.

I applaud that. Why is that SO hard to get for some people?

 

[SmokinV10]

Another thing to add about this site.

Because of it's moderators, it remains a clean and fairly classy site. If you have noticed, some of the other sites where he is allowed to post are pretty ****** and I don't feel like wading through all the trash to get to any decent information. If you would have read some of the exchanges between the person not to be mentioned and those he ripped off, you would be amazed at the language and the level of immaturity that was displayed.

This site attempts to keep that junk and those people who like to bring everyone else down to their level away.

I applaud that. Why is that SO hard to get for some people?

Half the tards that responded to this thread have never dealt with any of the aforementioned tuners first hand....ahem, you included buddy. Bunch of festering geezers with britches pulled up past their belly buttons wearing their Commi cheerleader windbreakers while poofing their pom poms to the flag of Stalin and the Third ***** in disgusting display of low IQ bantering. If you call rampant deleting of posts, classy and you give up your principles to be nothing for a G rating, well then turn off the internet and bust out the disney channel, because the Viper isnt for folks with skin so thin it breaks when sneezed on. You may call this and that immaturity we call it HUMOR.

As for the tuner in question, it seems that the plug in question was out of line because it was a plug for a SITE SPONSOR, not for what was in discussion. The numbers on this thread are impressive. People can be skeptics, I was a skeptic myself in the past, and had some back and forths with JPH a long long time ago when I was joining in on the sh!ttalking bandwagon. However after getting to seeing some cars first hand, the fact is that he does make a good product. I saw this car lay down a big number at the V**** Al**y get together in austin. Moreover I saw heard the fit, finish and sound of the car in question when I was in his shop last week. What first hand information do you have?

 

[DEVILDOG]

Another thing to add about this site.

Because of it's moderators, it remains a clean and fairly classy site. If you have noticed, some of the other sites where he is allowed to post are pretty ****** and I don't feel like wading through all the trash to get to any decent information. If you would have read some of the exchanges between the person not to be mentioned and those he ripped off, you would be amazed at the language and the level of immaturity that was displayed.

This site attempts to keep that junk and those people who like to bring everyone else down to their level away.

I applaud that. Why is that SO hard to get for some people?

Half the tards that responded to this thread have never dealt with any of the aforementioned tuners first hand....ahem, you included buddy. Bunch of festering geezers with britches pulled up past their belly buttons wearing their Commi cheerleader windbreakers while poofing their pom poms to the flag of Stalin and the Third ***** in disgusting display of low IQ bantering. If you call rampant deleting of posts, classy and you give up your principles to be nothing for a G rating, well then turn off the internet and bust out the disney channel, because the Viper isnt for folks with skin so thin it breaks when sneezed on. You may call this and that immaturity we call it HUMOR.

As for the tuner in question, it seems that the plug in question was out of line because it was a plug for a SITE SPONSOR, not for what was in discussion. The numbers on this thread are impressive. People can be skeptics, I was a skeptic myself in the past, and had some back and forths with JPH a long long time ago when I was joining in on the sh!ttalking bandwagon. However after getting to seeing some cars first hand, the fact is that he does make a good product. I saw this car lay down a big number at the V**** Al**y get together in austin. Moreover I saw heard the fit, finish and sound of the car in question when I was in his shop last week. What first hand information do you have?

Seems I've heard this before somewhere when you were on the other side of the fence. You finally got it right due to personal experience instead of jumping on the popular bandwagon. You get some credit for that!

 

[BigsViper]

GRIN! Like some of us have said before - when the SRT10 modified cars get sorted and into their strides - all the silly comments about how much quicker the old cars are will die a natural death. The heads alone will make more power than Gen 1 or 2 have ever known. These gen 3 babies are not even close to what they are capable of yet....

by the time you fit forged pistons and a solid roller with fully ported heads, better intake and exhaust, ECU etc - they'll spank some serious machinery and set new Viper records. Add boost and they'll make the Gen 1 or 2 look tame. The advantage is all in the heads. The intake will have to be replaced however over a certain level.

Do you have to install a rollbar to cut those times at the strip? How about some pics?

 

[Supercharged Vipermad]

It was I who pruned things to get back to the issue of the thread....the SRT-10, mods, and FAST quarter mile times.

 

[Mike Adams]

This thread was to let everyone knows how good the new engine will respond to mods. Not to promote anyone but so those who dog the SRT will know it is still a viper !!!

 

[1TONY1]

1Tony - I measure rollout times when I go to the dragstrip. Most are around .4 second for a deep (12") stage. This is with street tires. I am sure you can do things to reduce it but since it does not count in the 1/4 mile stats, it is not critical. I also always stage as deep as possible so the real rollout should be close.

Still can't see that Ron. In a car that will sixty foot around a 1.55 your not going to see that much change. I have hundreds of paases with the above mentioned sixty and never saw that. I might agree with .1 but that is pushing it. My other car sixtys in the 1.19 range so it would be even less. How and what are you measuring the sixty with ? Anything in car....other than actual sixty foot times from the stips clocks could be way off.

 

[GR8_ASP]

Note the sixty foot times do not include rollout. That is why you have not seen it. The only way to record the rollout time is with an independent measuring device.

I think that you can verify this using the track timing equipment comparing a shallow and deep stage for 60 ft times. For shallow stage, that is go past the beams (both of them) and back up to just relight the tree versus a deep stage, where you stop immediately after turning on the staging light.

 

[Lawboy]

good thread!

 

[FE 065]

This thread was to let everyone knows how good the new engine will respond to mods. Not to promote anyone but so those who dog the SRT will know it is still a viper !!!

? It should 'respond good to mods' after dumping $35K into it! $15,000 over the cost of the 600hp SRT10 for 17ci(!) and 50hp ?

If the stroker 650 SRT 10 is indeed priced around $35,000 , then the ' Hey,it's all motor' flag waving kind of becomes moot doesn't it?
Especially when compared (for example) to the popular $7500 DIY supercharger that costs at least $25,000 LESS (even after adding headers etc) and runs just about as well. Or better.
I mean come on, it's 35 GRAND .

I'm not taking sides, knocking or promoting anyone btw, -it's just that the tone of the thread, initially at least, made it sound like a miracle had just been witnessed.
Any car can go better than 11 flat for $35,000 these days can't it?

Anyway, to the owner - enjoy your car! I'll bet it's a ball to drive.

 

[GR8_ASP]

This may help to describe what I was trying to say.
The first graph is the rollout and 60 foot distance. The rollout here was 0.39 sec and the 60 ft time was 2.02. Fairly typical for stock tires (in this case stock run flats). I'm sure some can do better but on this track, this day I couldn't. You can see the rollout distance was 1 ft and took 0.39 seconds.

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The next is the complete quarter mile. This was a 12.1 sec 121 mph run (per data acquisition).

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[GR8_ASP]

Richard I agree with you in general. However it was about +140 RWHP (stock is 500 bhp and about 440 RWHP). 35K is still a lot of money.

 

[1TONY1]

Note the sixty foot times do not include rollout. That is why you have not seen it. The only way to record the rollout time is with an independent measuring device.

I think that you can verify this using the track timing equipment comparing a shallow and deep stage for 60 ft times. For shallow stage, that is go past the beams (both of them) and back up to just relight the tree versus a deep stage, where you stop immediately after turning on the staging light.

You were saying the rollout changes the sixty foot et. I am not debating roll out time.....just the et effect on the sixty foot time. From a shallow to a deeper staging I have not seen much difference.

Fyi:
1. A shallow stage is where you barely turn on the bottom stage bulb.
2. A "deeper stage" commonly called known as staging deep, is where you roll in as far as possible without turning off the top stage bulb.
3. A true "deep stage" is where you roll in far enough to turn the top stage bulb off leaving only the bottom stage bulb on. Deep staging is not allowed in all classes.

Check staging definitions here: http://www.carboneracing.com/definitions.html

 

[GR8_ASP]

Sorry, got the words backwards.

 

[V10TT]

Ron,

You mentioned rollout making the times not directly comparable...

FYI All of the numbers presented above related to my car are from the magazines radar based data acquisition system and not from the drag strip timing system. Therefore, I would think that they are comparable with other magazine reported numbers.

Another FYI... This data acquisition system included a 12" rollout to similate drag strip performance. I do not have the data in front of me, but the numbers from the data acqusition system were very close to the numbers from the drag stip timing equipment. By very close, I think the differences were in the 0.0x second range.

If the trap speed was taken at the end of the 1/4 mile instead of averaging the speed over the last 60 ft. it could be 2-4 mph too high as previously said a few replies back. However you are saying that data acquisition system was very close to the numbers from the drag strip....

What where the Drag Strip numbers (MPH?) if they were provided...

thanks!

 

[GR8_ASP]

The specfic run was 12.359 at 117.81. In general I was running 12.3-12.5 and 117.5-119. Numbers were stated in earlier threads. The same day stock Gen II's were about 114-115 mph. Milan is a slow track. I staged consistently, just after beam, which I now stand corrected as being called "shallow staging." I set the acquisition equipment at 12 inches. The real stage depth was probably a few inches less as it its difficult to stage right at the beam. That probably accounts for the .1 to .2 second difference as the fist inches are the slowest.

 

[FE 065]

Ron were you running on the Friday of the Rendezvous? If so, which group were you with?
I'm told the track was very slick for the morning group, but sprayed with VHT etc before the afternoon group got there.

 

[GR8_ASP]

I was there all day. I left around 3:00 just before the storms went through. In the morning I was learning the SRT and basically did not run any good times. Around noon I finally got the hang of launch and shift points and improved. After 1:00 I only made a few runs. Most with 2 people in the car. That is when my son got the nickname "4 mile an hour Phil." I do not know when they put down VHT. Probably after Lori and Sandy arrived as they were using slicks. If that was the case I did not run with the VHT down.

60 ft times when I was running were all around 2.0-2.2 regardless of tires (even Kuhmos) for just about everyone. Not very sticky!

 

[Y2K5SRT]

And here is a question: The local track guy says that VHT does not help street radials at all and that there is no point in using it unless you have slicks. True?

 

[Jerome Sparich]

And here is a question: The local track guy says that VHT does not help street radials at all and that there is no point in using it unless you have slicks. True?

Run across the track in sneakers after it is put down. Tell me how long they stay on. If put on properly, it works. If just a "misting" of the track, no it does not.

I will be doing just this on Sunday after the finals at Maple Grove. Do it every year before the Wally's are handed out to the winners.