ElDiablo Viper
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Is the 40HP going to make a lot of difference. Does anybody know the numbers. Thanks.
What is faster SRT or ACR?
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Gerald
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127 mph? Isn't that a bit fast for 40 to 60 more HP? Don't the GenII"s do 121 at BEST?
Gerald
Gerald
MES
Enthusiast
My guess is to add .3 sec and 4 MPH to what a stock ACR does and that's what the Gen III will do. The actual 1/4 numbers will be all over the place, mainly due to the driver.
Mike Brunton
Enthusiast
I think the numbers will NOT tell the whole story. This is not going to be like 'adding 40hp to an ACR'.
-The SRT is significantly lighter.
-The SRT has a revised suspension (like the GTS did over the RT/10)
-The SRT has new tires, like the GTS did over the RT/10
-The SRT has 75hp more (I know they say 'at least 500', but it'll be 75
-The SRT is way WAY more aerodynamic, like the GTS was over the RT/10
How much faster is a GTS than a Gen I RT/10? I'd say it's a good 1/2 second difference and 5mph in trap speed. I think the SRT will be the same advance over the GTS, if not a little more... so I would expect the SRT to be running mid-high 11's at around 125mph bone stock. I think it will be as much faster than an ACR than the ACR is over a GenI RT/10.
-The SRT is significantly lighter.
-The SRT has a revised suspension (like the GTS did over the RT/10)
-The SRT has new tires, like the GTS did over the RT/10
-The SRT has 75hp more (I know they say 'at least 500', but it'll be 75
-The SRT is way WAY more aerodynamic, like the GTS was over the RT/10
How much faster is a GTS than a Gen I RT/10? I'd say it's a good 1/2 second difference and 5mph in trap speed. I think the SRT will be the same advance over the GTS, if not a little more... so I would expect the SRT to be running mid-high 11's at around 125mph bone stock. I think it will be as much faster than an ACR than the ACR is over a GenI RT/10.
jamie furman
Enthusiast
No its going to be like adding 60hp and I think on average you will be looking at .5 in et and 5 mph in the quarter that is usually how it works. A good comparison would the gen1 car to the gen 2 car that was only 50 hp also and was easily 6 or 7 mph in the quarter and half second, so that is what I would think you should expect with the new car.
Russ M
Enthusiast
Doubt that the SRT will be .5 sec faster than a Gen 2. Just take a Gen 2 with Headers/exhaust/filters(non creampuff) it will make about 450-460 rwhp right? Take it to the track and you will maybe gain 2-3 tenths if you are lucky. Traction becomes more and more difficult with the increase in power.
Maybe with Slicks the SRT will be more capable, and besides everyone is forgetting another very crucial power figure: TORQUE. The SRT is only rated at 10 more pounds of torque, while the Gen 2's were 40 more than Gen 1. And for 1/4 mile acceleration I will take torque over hp any day.
Maybe with Slicks the SRT will be more capable, and besides everyone is forgetting another very crucial power figure: TORQUE. The SRT is only rated at 10 more pounds of torque, while the Gen 2's were 40 more than Gen 1. And for 1/4 mile acceleration I will take torque over hp any day.
ElDiablo Viper
Enthusiast
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Russ M:
Doubt that the SRT will be .5 sec faster than a Gen 2. Just take a Gen 2 with Headers/exhaust/filters(non creampuff) it will make about 450-460 rwhp right? Take it to the track and you will maybe gain 2-3 tenths if you are lucky. Traction becomes more and more difficult with the increase in power.
Maybe with Slicks the SRT will be more capable, and besides everyone is forgetting another very crucial power figure: TORQUE. The SRT is only rated at 10 more pounds of torque, while the Gen 2's were 40 more than Gen 1. And for 1/4 mile acceleration I will take torque over hp any day.
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Plus you can't take a vet to the track. Will SRT have a roll bar?
Doubt that the SRT will be .5 sec faster than a Gen 2. Just take a Gen 2 with Headers/exhaust/filters(non creampuff) it will make about 450-460 rwhp right? Take it to the track and you will maybe gain 2-3 tenths if you are lucky. Traction becomes more and more difficult with the increase in power.
Maybe with Slicks the SRT will be more capable, and besides everyone is forgetting another very crucial power figure: TORQUE. The SRT is only rated at 10 more pounds of torque, while the Gen 2's were 40 more than Gen 1. And for 1/4 mile acceleration I will take torque over hp any day.
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Plus you can't take a vet to the track. Will SRT have a roll bar?
Craig 201 MPH
Enthusiast
Just look at it this way. would an acr with more than 40 H.P. more, lighter weight, more torque be faster tahn a stock acr? Sure it would be, the SRT-10 is going to be a high 11 car on a slow day.
Craig
Craig
dancojax
Enthusiast
YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!!!!!!
You can take your Vette to the track at Viperdays events.
Bring it, and we will see whether the Gen I; Gen II; or SRT-10 will do better.
I know we won't know about the SRT-10 until 2003, but bring your Vette out now and learn how to drive it.
We don't bite -- and we love you.
P.S. I have a Viper coupe, but it only has 1 top. How did you get 2 with a Vette coupe?
You can take your Vette to the track at Viperdays events.
Bring it, and we will see whether the Gen I; Gen II; or SRT-10 will do better.
I know we won't know about the SRT-10 until 2003, but bring your Vette out now and learn how to drive it.
We don't bite -- and we love you.
P.S. I have a Viper coupe, but it only has 1 top. How did you get 2 with a Vette coupe?
Mike Brunton
Enthusiast
Russ,
I think you are wrong on this issue. The SRT is not comparable to a GTS or ACR with more power, because the weight it totally different, it has new tires, a redesigned suspension, etc, etc. The Gen I RT/10 dynoes the same or better than the GTS in torque, in my experience - NO WAY is there a 50lb-ft difference. Also, torque and HP are exactly the same thing - but if you make TQ higherup in the RPM band, that equals more power. You need both to give a good 1/4 time, but usually cars with lots of TQ and not enough HP are tire-smoking machines that run out of breath too early and need to be shifted more - just like the GenI RT/10.
A 460RWHP ACR is *not* going to hang with a bone stock SRT IMO - just like a 400RWHP RT/10 doesn't hang with a bone stock GTS.
I think you are wrong on this issue. The SRT is not comparable to a GTS or ACR with more power, because the weight it totally different, it has new tires, a redesigned suspension, etc, etc. The Gen I RT/10 dynoes the same or better than the GTS in torque, in my experience - NO WAY is there a 50lb-ft difference. Also, torque and HP are exactly the same thing - but if you make TQ higherup in the RPM band, that equals more power. You need both to give a good 1/4 time, but usually cars with lots of TQ and not enough HP are tire-smoking machines that run out of breath too early and need to be shifted more - just like the GenI RT/10.
A 460RWHP ACR is *not* going to hang with a bone stock SRT IMO - just like a 400RWHP RT/10 doesn't hang with a bone stock GTS.
ElDiablo Viper
Enthusiast
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dancojax:
YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!!!!!!
You can take your Vette to the track at Viperdays events.
Bring it, and we will see whether the Gen I; Gen II; or SRT-10 will do better.
I know we won't know about the SRT-10 until 2003, but bring your Vette out now and learn how to drive it.
We don't bite -- and we love you.
P.S. I have a Viper coupe, but it only has 1 top. How did you get 2 with a Vette coupe?
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I have been to the track many times with the Vette. What mean that SRT is a convertible and some clubs will not let that car on the track.
YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!!!!!!
You can take your Vette to the track at Viperdays events.
Bring it, and we will see whether the Gen I; Gen II; or SRT-10 will do better.
I know we won't know about the SRT-10 until 2003, but bring your Vette out now and learn how to drive it.
We don't bite -- and we love you.
P.S. I have a Viper coupe, but it only has 1 top. How did you get 2 with a Vette coupe?
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I have been to the track many times with the Vette. What mean that SRT is a convertible and some clubs will not let that car on the track.
Gerald
Enthusiast
I think ppl will be running
11.8 to 12.1
123 mph
Gerald
of course this is a COMPLETE guess.
11.8 to 12.1
123 mph
Gerald
of course this is a COMPLETE guess.
Mike Brunton
Enthusiast
Thanks Craig - you got my point.
My point is that if you modify a GenI RT/10 to the 400RWHP level (same as a bone stock GTS) it's not going to hang with the GTS - that is based on my experience. Also, based on my experience at the dyno, there is NO WAY a 50lb-ft difference between a GenI RT/10 and a GenII GTS or RT/10. It simply isn't there.
Yes, we will have to wait until the cars are released before we know the whole story, but if you think putting headers and exhaust on an ACR is going to make it hang with an SRT - I think you're nuts.
My point is that if you modify a GenI RT/10 to the 400RWHP level (same as a bone stock GTS) it's not going to hang with the GTS - that is based on my experience. Also, based on my experience at the dyno, there is NO WAY a 50lb-ft difference between a GenI RT/10 and a GenII GTS or RT/10. It simply isn't there.
Yes, we will have to wait until the cars are released before we know the whole story, but if you think putting headers and exhaust on an ACR is going to make it hang with an SRT - I think you're nuts.
Russ M
Enthusiast
Mike,
The weight difference is negligible, besides until the SRT specs are completly disclosed we do not know what actual weight is going to be.
"A 460RWHP ACR is *not* going to hang with a bone stock SRT IMO - just like a 400RWHP RT/10 doesn't hang with a bone stock GTS."
Are you saying that a gen 2 RT/10 cant hang with a gen 2 GTS in the 1/4 mile?
These speculations are pointless, when the SRT is available for testing we will all know what the true story is.
The weight difference is negligible, besides until the SRT specs are completly disclosed we do not know what actual weight is going to be.
"A 460RWHP ACR is *not* going to hang with a bone stock SRT IMO - just like a 400RWHP RT/10 doesn't hang with a bone stock GTS."
Are you saying that a gen 2 RT/10 cant hang with a gen 2 GTS in the 1/4 mile?
These speculations are pointless, when the SRT is available for testing we will all know what the true story is.
Craig 201 MPH
Enthusiast
Russ,
I think Mike means to say that a gen 1 RT/10 can't hang with a Gen 2 GTS OR RT/10
Craig
I think Mike means to say that a gen 1 RT/10 can't hang with a Gen 2 GTS OR RT/10
Craig
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