What the Gen III Coupe could've been & what the Gen IV should be

[John ACR]

What the Gen III Coupe could\'ve been & what the Gen IV should be

 

[ChicagoGTS]

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It's a reverse clown shoe! That's cool looking but where would the engine go? The rear glass looks a little long too. But minus that if the GenIV looked like it, I'd buy one.

 

[01sapphireGTS]

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John: You brought a completely new design to the table. A real "cab forward" Lambo-like front end, with a Viper stretched limo rear, and a lot of porsche thrown in for good measure... I wonder what DC thinks about it? I bet they are not moving that direction but hey, nice skill.

 

[Steve Miehe]

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Would have to be a mid-engine car. Would probably improve handling even further....

 

[lleone]

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Nice for a mid-mount. I still prefer the long "grand tourer" snout which the front engine layout gives us.

 

[viper GTS-R]

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hmmm What the Gen III Coupe could've been & what the Gen IV should be....What I see is what the ME-412 might have been if the viper wasn't ever made.

 

[Go Fast For Life]

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Add vertical doors and you have a Viperghini!

 

[GTSnake]

Re: What the Gen III Coupe could\'ve been & what the Gen IV should be

It looks like a Gen II with a mid engine. That design isn't contemporary. The Gen II was designed in '94 so it's already a 10 year old design. Why would you make the Gen III or IV like a ten year old design? The designers today are working on what people will like 3-4 years from now. Granted I think they missed the mark on the Gen III but at least it's evolutionary.

 

[01sapphireGTS]

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Some "old" ideas,

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for the "new" car...

PS -> Throw one of these in as an option, and hold on to you're order forms ! !

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[ChicagoGTS]

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It looks like a Gen II with a mid engine. That design isn't contemporary. The Gen II was designed in '94 so it's already a 10 year old design. Why would you make the Gen III or IV like a ten year old design? The designers today are working on what people will like 3-4 years from now. Granted I think they missed the mark on the Gen III but at least it's evolutionary.

His design is more "evolutionary" than DC's was, he's taking an already loved style to an entirely new level. That's part of the problem I have with the GenIII, why stray that far away from what worked. The lines of the GenII are what make the car, period. You add 50HP to the GenIII give it better handling a full vert and people still hated it. Evolutionary doesn't mean a complete change all at one time, by definition what DC did IMO was "terminate" the GenII body style not evolve it:

"evolutionary" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (v-lshn, v-)

1. A gradual process in which something changes into a different and usually more complex or better form. ev·o·lu·tion Audio pronunciation of

~Matt~

 

[TomSlick]

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I'll take one of these. Who do I pay, and how much? Ah, forget about the how much.

 

[ROCKET62]

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My first thought was that was a VIMER412.

Borrowing from Meguires we are all "VIPER Crazy".

 

[cratica]

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What the designers did to the Viper post GenII can never be considered "evolutionary" in my opinion.

You're supposed to improve on a design.

"Japalutionary" maybe, but not "evolutionary".


Let's break it down. Muscle cars are generally known
as American hot rods of the 60's- 70's. The viper is considered a modern day muscle car.

Question, how many japanese cars do you think of when you think "muscle car"??

None.

To try and blend the two as DC has done is ludicrous and possibly disastrous. Time will tell if they can recover from this mighty blunder.

 

[WANTED]

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To try and blend the two as DC has done is ludicrous and possibly disastrous. Time will tell if they can recover from this mighty blunder.

do you not know dodge sells more vipers now then they ever have? DA

 

[46hemi]

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To try and blend the two as DC has done is ludicrous and possibly disastrous. Time will tell if they can recover from this mighty blunder.

do you not know dodge sells more vipers now then they ever have? DA

Yeah, thats what we are all looking for. Heck toss in the navigation and they can sell an extra 10k per year! Wouldnt that be great!

 

[Custom Builder]

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Surely I'm not the only one here that finds that thing hideous. Shorten the front and lengthen the rear WAY too much on a GTS and that's what you have. A poor Countach kit on a crappy Fiero looks 10x better than that.

Only my opinion of course. But hey, what do I know, I like the SRT.

 

[GTSnake]

Re: What the Gen III Coupe could\'ve been & what the Gen IV should be

It looks like a Gen II with a mid engine. That design isn't contemporary. The Gen II was designed in '94 so it's already a 10 year old design. Why would you make the Gen III or IV like a ten year old design? The designers today are working on what people will like 3-4 years from now. Granted I think they missed the mark on the Gen III but at least it's evolutionary.

His design is more "evolutionary" than DC's was, he's taking an already loved style to an entirely new level. That's part of the problem I have with the GenIII, why stray that far away from what worked. The lines of the GenII are what make the car, period. You add 50HP to the GenIII give it better handling a full vert and people still hated it. Evolutionary doesn't mean a complete change all at one time, by definition what DC did IMO was "terminate" the GenII body style not evolve it:

"evolutionary" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (v-lshn, v-)

1. A gradual process in which something changes into a different and usually more complex or better form. ev·o·lu·tion Audio pronunciation of
~Matt~

Well that's what Ralph Gilles told me when I spoke to him about the GenIII design process.

 

[MoparMan]

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Looks like the ME 4-12 GTS.

 

[WANTED]

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To try and blend the two as DC has done is ludicrous and possibly disastrous. Time will tell if they can recover from this mighty blunder.

do you not know dodge sells more vipers now then they ever have? DA

Yeah, thats what we are all looking for. Heck toss in the navigation and they can sell an extra 10k per year! Wouldnt that be great!

BY NO MEANS - HECK THEY SHOULD JUST GO BACK TO THE OLD BODY STYLE AND KEEP MAKING THE RT -GTS, JUST CHANGE COLORS SO WE CAN TELL THE DIFFERENT YEAR THE CAR IS. HEY, PLUS EACH YEAR THEY COULD JUST ADD A MOD TO KEEP YOUR INTEREST - NOW THAT WOULD BE GREATTTTTTTTTTTT!

RIGHT - AND YOU WILL BE THE FIRST TO BUY ONE EACH YEAR FOR SURE RIGHT? JUST THINK YOU ALONE MIGHT JUST KEEP THE VIPER IN PRODUCTION. NOW YOUR TALKING.

 

[Andy 98 RT/10]

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Just like what Ford is doing with the GT40...I bet in some 20 or so years, they will be designing a "retro" viper with a Gen 2 look.

 

[AviP]

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DC will have to throw out the V10 and put in a V2 with that design. Or make it a mid-engine design. But the purists will hate it. Interesting though!

 

[Chuck 98 RT/10]

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Yes, Dodge. Quit screwing around and just build this...

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[VIPER52USA]

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I'll take one of these. Who do I pay, and how much? Ah, forget about the how much.

YES! ME WANT THAT!

I'LL GIVE BOTH NUTS FOR ONE OF THOSE!

 

[SnakeEye]

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-John ACR

Don't think so...and those stamped steel looking wheels must go too.

 

[jrkermode]

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Can you do one up a bit edgier, so it looks more like an SRT?

I'm not thinking as a street car, but the proportions seem about right for a Daytona Prototype.

Could be fun to see an SRT in the prototype class.

 

[98viperGTS]

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I think that it looks very European which kind of takes away from the American muscle, but I love the look of it. If DC made it I would definitely want to get one.

 

[MoparMan]

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umm...no.

 

[Ron Weickart]

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That image first appeared in the NY/CT VCA newsletter, in the summer of 1996. Since then it has had an interesting life, often reproduced without any attribution, and once even being mistaken for proof that a mid-engined Viper was being worked on by the factory, - and another time it was mistaken by the factory to be a "leak" of the mid-engined project that I guess they must have been working on after all!

I know, because I drew it originally back in the spring of 1996, thinking that the then-new GTS was like the Cobra Daytona, and the original RT/10 was like the 427 Cobra, I had figured a Viper version of the GT40 could not be far behind, hence this mid-engined Viper...

I used to routinely do these sort of "what-iffs" back when I used to do the NY/CT newsletter, and I still have quite a few on my hard drive.

 

[rac156]

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Can someone post some specs on this beauty?

 

[John ACR]

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That image first appeared in the NY/CT VCA newsletter, in the summer of 1996. Since then it has had an interesting life, often reproduced without any attribution, and once even being mistaken for proof that a mid-engined Viper was being worked on by the factory, - and another time it was mistaken by the factory to be a "leak" of the mid-engined project that I guess they must have been working on after all!

I know, because I drew it originally back in the spring of 1996, thinking that the then-new GTS was like the Cobra Daytona, and the original RT/10 was like the 427 Cobra, I had figured a Viper version of the GT40 could not be far behind, hence this mid-engined Viper...

I used to routinely do these sort of "what-iffs" back when I used to do the NY/CT newsletter, and I still have quite a few on my hard drive.

Ron,
Aha insight at last.
I picked the image up off a website along time ago.
Thank you for letting all of us know the origin.
Nice job.
BTW I like it.